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Putting 2yo in front seat of car???

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dontcomeatme · 06/09/2025 23:00

I've discussed this multiple times on MN but we're at the end of our tether right now.
My 2yo DS is severely travel sick. Has been pretty much since he was born, we could never drive for more than 40mins to an hour at max and he would projectile vomit. We had to forward face him at 2yo which we desperately didn't want to do but he was choking on his sick rear facing and being in the laid back position.
We're now at the point where even a 20-25 minute journey is making him sick. We are washing the car seat that often we have bought a spare to use while one is in the wash, and as soon as one is clean the other is dirty 😭 I sit in the back with him primed with sick bags but it makes him hysterical just to look at them so I feel like I'm making him worse!
We've been to the GP multiple times now but they just say its one of those things 🙄 I'm ringing on Monday and I want an emergency appointment with a different GP, this level of sickness isn't normal. It is projectile! Comes out of his mouth, nose, absolutely covers him. He goes grey and feels like sh*t for the rest of the day 😢
Do they prescribe anti sickness meds for kids or do we have to buy them? Most of the ones I've seen online are for 4yo plus and I'm hesitant to give him them.
I am seriously contemplating putting him in the front of the car, with the airbags off. Is that insane? AIBU to think this is the solution?!?! He's 28months, 99centile height and weight. We seriously don't know what else to do!
We've started walking and getting the bus everywhere just to prevent the sickness but this isn't sustainable, we missed a hospital appointment last week because the bus didn't come on time 🤦🏻‍♀️
Any suggestions at all? What worked for your DC? Can the doctors actually do anything ? Do you think front seat would help? It always helped me as a child but this was the 90s, my parents shoved me up the front without even a booster seat.
Any advice is appreciated 🙏

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dontcomeatme · 08/09/2025 08:43

BertieBotts · 08/09/2025 08:13

It will be in the car manual whether to have the airbag on or off. Either way it's not whiplash you're risking with an active airbag, an airbag inflates with a huge amount of force, it's like being punched, which can kill a child if it hits their head while inflating. That's why it's illegal in front of a rear facing seat, but children have also been killed by airbags because they were looking in the glove box, or before booster seats were in wider use, because their head is at adult chest height. This is why most countries do have a law against children travelling in a front seat. The UK doesn't, but it's still sensible to be cautious about it. Of course without an airbag, the dashboard itself is a risk which is why you increase distance and ensure the car seat is tightly/correctly fitted and harness belts are properly done up.

Sorry to be blunt. OP one thing I didn't mention is that seats conforming to the newer R129 regulation have a shorter tolerance for forward movement than R44, so this is beneficial as well. But the forward movement on the MC Beryl was good on the ADAC test, so it may be just as good in this respect.

It's worth reading manuals before buying as some seats e.g. Joie Bold do need the top tether and Isofix as well as seatbelt in the 18kg+ mode, but websites sometimes list these as being seatbelt fit because they are allowed to fit with just seatbelt in the high back booster mode. You can usually message a company for clarification too.

Thank you, I've been so confused reading car seats the advertising of them is so misleading. I had a look at the one I currently have, Joie every stage, and it says from 0 to 36kg, which is why I bought it, but it doesn't tell you that from 18kg it's only up to 36kg with the normal seat belt! But most I've looked at state in the description "from 0 to 36kg", its highly annoying. Think I'm going to order the argos one you mentioned for £120 and pop him in the back, our car does have isofix and top tether! Once he has medication that is.
I have his seat far back in the front and airbag off for now. I'm hoping this is just a temporary measure 🤞

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BertieBotts · 08/09/2025 08:13

It will be in the car manual whether to have the airbag on or off. Either way it's not whiplash you're risking with an active airbag, an airbag inflates with a huge amount of force, it's like being punched, which can kill a child if it hits their head while inflating. That's why it's illegal in front of a rear facing seat, but children have also been killed by airbags because they were looking in the glove box, or before booster seats were in wider use, because their head is at adult chest height. This is why most countries do have a law against children travelling in a front seat. The UK doesn't, but it's still sensible to be cautious about it. Of course without an airbag, the dashboard itself is a risk which is why you increase distance and ensure the car seat is tightly/correctly fitted and harness belts are properly done up.

Sorry to be blunt. OP one thing I didn't mention is that seats conforming to the newer R129 regulation have a shorter tolerance for forward movement than R44, so this is beneficial as well. But the forward movement on the MC Beryl was good on the ADAC test, so it may be just as good in this respect.

It's worth reading manuals before buying as some seats e.g. Joie Bold do need the top tether and Isofix as well as seatbelt in the 18kg+ mode, but websites sometimes list these as being seatbelt fit because they are allowed to fit with just seatbelt in the high back booster mode. You can usually message a company for clarification too.

jannier · 08/09/2025 07:38

dontcomeatme · 08/09/2025 07:25

Thanks everyone for the car seat recommendations. I'm definitely not RF again that was too traumatic for everyone involved.
We trialled DS in the front last night with his car seat and air bag switched off, we wanted to try it, 1 to see if it actually helped, and 2, if not I needed to swap all the car seats back round haha.
We did a 35 minute round trip with 1 break in the middle, he had the window fully open and we were looking for all the cars out the window, he wasn't sick and his colour looked great throughout the whole journey 🥹 I'm going to keep him up front for now, ring the GP and ask about medication and then hopefully he can go in the middle in the back 🤞 x

You don't turn air bag off for FF. Seat back as far as possible

Needspaceforlego · 08/09/2025 07:31

If he's Forward Facing in the front the airbag should be ON
They are off for rear facing babies so they don't hit the back of the child's seat, causing whip lash type injuries.

Hope you find a suitable seat for him.

dontcomeatme · 08/09/2025 07:25

Plus I need to order a 18kg+ FF car seat 🤦🏻‍♀️ x

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dontcomeatme · 08/09/2025 07:25

Thanks everyone for the car seat recommendations. I'm definitely not RF again that was too traumatic for everyone involved.
We trialled DS in the front last night with his car seat and air bag switched off, we wanted to try it, 1 to see if it actually helped, and 2, if not I needed to swap all the car seats back round haha.
We did a 35 minute round trip with 1 break in the middle, he had the window fully open and we were looking for all the cars out the window, he wasn't sick and his colour looked great throughout the whole journey 🥹 I'm going to keep him up front for now, ring the GP and ask about medication and then hopefully he can go in the middle in the back 🤞 x

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intoFolklore · 07/09/2025 23:04

jannier · 07/09/2025 22:43

Are you sure I can't find anything on weight just a height....it's the upgraded extended fit version

This is the manual from the Graco website for the R129 version. I think a lot of retailers are really misleading with the age recommendations unfortunately

https://dl.gracobaby.eu/instruction-manual/extend-lx-r129-manual.pdf

Sorry about the image quality when I uploaded it - added the manual pdf as well in case that's easier to read

Putting 2yo in front seat of car???
jannier · 07/09/2025 22:43

intoFolklore · 07/09/2025 22:12

Car seats don't go by age. The harness is only suitable to 18kg, it's completely unsafe to use past 18kg and the OPs child is already very close to 18kg

Are you sure I can't find anything on weight just a height....it's the upgraded extended fit version

Putting 2yo in front seat of car???
intoFolklore · 07/09/2025 22:12

jannier · 07/09/2025 22:02

This seat is not isofox and goes rf until 4 not sure of safety rating.

Car seats don't go by age. The harness is only suitable to 18kg, it's completely unsafe to use past 18kg and the OPs child is already very close to 18kg

jannier · 07/09/2025 22:02

intoFolklore · 07/09/2025 09:22

Also worth noting, if he's 99th centile you may not be able to safely have him in a seat much longer unless you actually buy a 36kg RF seat. Most FF seats only harness to 18kg, and the very few that FF longer require isofix and a top tether point so can't be used in the front seat.

He's far too young to be in booster with seatbelt.

This seat is not isofox and goes rf until 4 not sure of safety rating.

Putting 2yo in front seat of car???
TheOnlyWayisGerard · 07/09/2025 17:20

I’m not surprised it’s a Citroen Grand Picasso, we had one for about a fortnight and the suspension was so soft we were bouncing around all over the place. Does the centre rear seat have a top tether attachment? I’d avoid any forward facing harnessed seat without one (or a support leg if no tether). The Joie Bold is a good shout. Or the Joie I-irvana max, which harnesses up to 25kg/125cm. The Bold r44 has no height limit.

dontcomeatme · 07/09/2025 17:00

Needlenardlenoo · 07/09/2025 16:13

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier but does the car have cruise control?

DH drives a 2021 Kia e-Niro and I can instantly tell when he's got the "vomit button" depressed!

(I was often car sick as a child).

I'm unsure, but even if it does we've never used it 😅

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dontcomeatme · 07/09/2025 16:59

Needspaceforlego · 07/09/2025 15:40

Aye thats an easy answer. For many who don't live in cities the car is the only option. The Op also mentioned a 7 seater car, that indicates other children who would need to move schools and stuff too.

Op is he rear facing at the moment?

Yeah multiple DC, it would be a pain to move now we've just bought our forever home in the best school catchment!
He was rear facing until 2yo but had to be put ff recently because it was just too much x

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dontcomeatme · 07/09/2025 16:58

786BoobyMum · 07/09/2025 15:30

Long term, you should consider moving house to somewhere more central where you don't need a car. I live in London and I can count on one hand the number of times my baby has been in a car (he's 1). Realistically this child will be car sick for a long time, you can't subject him to car rides and medication for the next 15 years.

We've just bought our forever home! We thought it was quite central, just off the main city centre, it's about a 20 minute drive to the main city, which we didn't think was bad but he can't even handle that! Luckily the school he'll go to is within walking distance! That's why we picked here, it's an amazing school. Can't win can I 🙄

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Needlenardlenoo · 07/09/2025 16:13

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier but does the car have cruise control?

DH drives a 2021 Kia e-Niro and I can instantly tell when he's got the "vomit button" depressed!

(I was often car sick as a child).

Needspaceforlego · 07/09/2025 15:40

786BoobyMum · 07/09/2025 15:30

Long term, you should consider moving house to somewhere more central where you don't need a car. I live in London and I can count on one hand the number of times my baby has been in a car (he's 1). Realistically this child will be car sick for a long time, you can't subject him to car rides and medication for the next 15 years.

Aye thats an easy answer. For many who don't live in cities the car is the only option. The Op also mentioned a 7 seater car, that indicates other children who would need to move schools and stuff too.

Op is he rear facing at the moment?

786BoobyMum · 07/09/2025 15:30

Long term, you should consider moving house to somewhere more central where you don't need a car. I live in London and I can count on one hand the number of times my baby has been in a car (he's 1). Realistically this child will be car sick for a long time, you can't subject him to car rides and medication for the next 15 years.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 07/09/2025 14:08

Talk to pharmacist about travel sickness pills

HostaCentral · 07/09/2025 13:13

I had a succession of coupes and two seater soft tops when my DC's were little, necessitating sitting in the front seat with air bags off. They were both RF and FF facing depending on age.

Needspaceforlego · 07/09/2025 13:09

@BertieBotts thanks for your detailed answer. For long enough I'd assumed you'd worked with carseats.
That said i do find it fascinating how many people will argue for RF when that's not always the best answer and the things people believe are UK law which just aren't.

Grammarninja · 07/09/2025 13:05

My dd has similar problem. Stopping the car every 15 mins and getting out for fresh air, keeping the windows open, forward facing carseat and no food an hour before travel have worked for us. NO DEVICES is also v important.

SpinningTops · 07/09/2025 12:54

We got a prescription for son when he was tiny. Probably less than 1 year old. It was some kind of antihistamine I think.

He was so badly travel sick. Couldn’t travel the 3 miles to the nearest town. Absolutely awful.

We did keep him rear facing and it slowly got better over time.

I gave him kwells well before 4 years. Maybe close to 3. My aunt is a pharmacist and looked up the weight recommendations.

So I would demand GP give you something. They definitely can!!

BertieBotts · 07/09/2025 12:47

I'm a SAHM (3 DC) with ADHD that causes an unusually intense interest in certain topics. I like finding out the answers to questions, and so I found a sort of niche in this area, started keeping notes for my own use too, and have read quite a few of the studies. One of the main things that interests me is what to do/what makes a difference outside of the "ideal" scenario, e.g. it's easy enough to say in a crash test lab, a RF seat protects the dummy better than a FF one. Absolutely true, but what about the more unusual scenarios e.g. limited space to install the seat, a child with measurements outside the usual that the seats are designed for, additional needs etc. I also think it's too simplistic to say that people choose a "less safe" option, go against blanket recommendations or use car seats incorrectly etc because they "don't care" about DC safety or blame it on ignorance - I think it's actually very important to look at why people make decisions or behave in ways which go against expert recommendation and explore what would actually help them the most in their specific situation. I think that's important in all of life.

I got so into it that I did then decide to enter the industry, so decided I would try to go retail > brand rep/customer service > maybe somewhere in R&D, did a trial day at an ERF specialist retailer (which was fascinating) although ultimately did not get the job, basically because I didn't already have childcare in place. They said they liked me otherwise! Where I live (EU country) the nursery settling in process is prolonged over several weeks but nursery is cheap/subsidised. So I learned from this, got DS2 a place and then got a job at a chain baby store where I got a load more practical experience and did all their video training on the car seats/pushchairs I had access to at the time. Loved it, despite some stressful staff politics stuff, but had to stop work there on doctor's advice when pregnant during COVID pre vaccine, and then never went back, because by the time parental leave was up it was really clear DS2 had additional needs and needed my attention more than any money I could earn.

Then I was a mod on one of the FB groups for a while, which gave me a really interesting overview of the kinds of things people want to know about car seats or problems they typically encounter, and it was fun to hear some of the "behind the scenes" stuff from the admin (who were all retailers) but the politics did my head in, and I felt I was being asked to withhold information about FF seats because the admins didn't want to be seen to promote FF/suggest it is safe, as they felt strongly that only RF is safe (I disagree, although I agree it is safer).

Not sure what my future plan is now, I am unlikely to go into the car seat industry after all - it still interests me, but the locations aren't hugely convenient and DS2 needs me closer to home, so my knowledge is getting more out of date unfortunately. I am looking at training as an OT, since I discovered that an OT's job is really to look at those niche cases where people can't do the "norm" or the "recommended thing" so you look at what helps them personally, just on a much more varied scale than car seats! I do try to keep up with newer models, but the only practical experience I get with them these days is going into the shop and playing with the display models, so my knowledge is more in the theoretical area or I can point people to resources where someone who has actually handled the seat more than me can be consulted or is giving their opinion.

I have never called myself an expert although others do. I don't see it that way. I do try to refer back to sources without making my posts too wordy - don't always manage this as you can see!

Needspaceforlego · 07/09/2025 11:51

@BertieBotts Just being curious. What do you do for a living?
I can't decide if you sell care seats or are in some sort of car seat safety training, with police or trading standards.

Wolowl · 07/09/2025 11:51

I was always horribly sick in my parents Citroën, something to do with the suspension. All their other cars were no issues. Obviously a change of car isn't an option but maybe something to consider for the future.

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