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To think the men women need protecting from aren’t asylum seekers but the ones shouting outside the hotels?

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ForSoberBrickOwl · 05/09/2025 19:36

I read in the Guardian this week that 40% of the men arrested during last year’s racist riots had already been reported to police for domestic abuse. That stat hasn’t left my mind.
It makes me think that the men standing outside asylum hotels claiming to “protect” women are often the very ones we need protecting from.

AIBU to think the real danger isn’t coming from migrants, it’s coming from the violent, radicalised men already here who use women’s safety as a smokescreen?

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Absentmindedsmile · 05/09/2025 21:04

genesis92 · 05/09/2025 20:42

The UK don’t currently release crime (sexual assault) data in relation to race or religion. They don’t do it because they know the truth would look pretty frightening.

Luckily other EU countries do and there is a HIGH disproportionate amount of sexual crimes committed from immigrant men.

The UK have now released sex crime - ethnicity data. Only due to a FOI request. No surprises.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/10/foreigners-commit-up-to-quarter-of-sex-crimes/

To think the men women need protecting from aren’t asylum seekers but the ones shouting outside the hotels?
Zov · 05/09/2025 21:02

StrawberryJangle · 05/09/2025 20:35

Am I on the right planet? It was GIRL that was assaulted.

Was it not?

Why are you arguing with yourself? Confused

Realitycheck1 · 05/09/2025 21:01

So the so called far right is going to call out every crime committed by British citizens ?
I think the point is we have enough of our own criminals why add more ?

Menopausalsourpuss · 05/09/2025 21:00

Alot of hatred for men here. As ops have said there is plenty of evidence from places like Denmark and Sweden that immigrants from places like Eritrea and Afghanistan are far more likely to commit violent sexual assault than European men. But you carry on putting women and girls (and some men and boys as they have been attacked and even murdered too) at risk from men who do not have to be here and demonising anyone who dares to protest.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 05/09/2025 21:00

genesis92 · 05/09/2025 20:44

Stop being disingenuous (or deluded) and swap Afghanistan with other Muslim country if the Taliban confused your brain

Better disingenuous than rude or a racist hotel rioter.

Lonelycrab · 05/09/2025 20:59

Yanbu op

Very telling, the deafening silence when once again white British men are convicted of awful crimes against women and children. Not a peep from the far right in those (many many) cases.

Endlesswandering · 05/09/2025 20:59

CopperWhite · 05/09/2025 19:52

YANBU. It’s funny how men of this country have been unwilling to call out their own friends, brothers, colleagues when they have known them to behave badly towards women, but as soon as there’s a chance of it being a brown person it’s important enough to protest over.

Was struggling to even think what to say because the whole thing baffles me so much, but you got it spot on.

YANBU

Realitycheck1 · 05/09/2025 20:59

@hotelinfo do you think we do have the best education system in the world ?

If that's so why are so many prisoners dyslexic ?

If the shit hits the fan with Putin who do you think will be fighting for us ?

genesis92 · 05/09/2025 20:57

Hoppinggreen · 05/09/2025 20:49

What have I said that is "delusion"?
That the men outside the hotels are as dangerous to women if not more than those inside?

Do you think a British born man is equally and just as likely to commit a sexual assault as a man who has entered this country illegally on a boat? Or are you only comparing to a small number of far right protestors that got arrested?

OldBeyondMyYears · 05/09/2025 20:56

Could have just stopped at ‘men’ OP!

Men in boats
Men in frocks
Men in women’s sports
Men in women’s changing rooms
Men in women’s toilets
Men in women’s prisons
Men in rape crisis centres
Men…just men!

TheAutumnalCrow · 05/09/2025 20:54

Men.

The word is men.

The male sex class.

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 05/09/2025 20:54

Regularmumm · 05/09/2025 20:51

Those Neanderthals with the flags are troublemakers looking for any excuse to kick out at anyone they see as lower than them in the social pecking order. What are they doing, standing around shouting and waving flags? Don’t they have work to go to or families to look after? Make me ashamed to be British

And a family day out..way to go on shaping the next generation of idiots that hate poc.
But nip in for a kebab/curry after a night out.
Or haircut from the Turkish barber before a night out.🤣🤣

Hoppinggreen · 05/09/2025 20:54

Realitycheck1 · 05/09/2025 20:50

I see so because some protesters have a dubious background re women we should allow more totally un vetted men in to potentially also abuse woman and girls.
The potential is higher because these men come from religions and cultures that are not as advanced as ours on equality but that's ok because we have our own home grown abusers ?

No it is not and we should not BUT the idea of the majority of these men who are protesting are some sort of saviours of women is ridiculous.

Regularmumm · 05/09/2025 20:53

Agree

hotelinfo · 05/09/2025 20:53

Those men protesting outside hotels in England shirts or bare chested with beer bellies hanging out are the absolute shame if British society.,

We are supposed to have one of the best education systems in the world. How the hell do we end up with so many utter morons?

Illegal immigrants or no illegal immigrants, these people would still be pond life.

Its this classic white man entitlement - they did f all at school and probably have hardly worked in their lives, yet they still feel society owes them respect and just about everything and they genuinely can't fathom why they're not all rich with women throwing themselves at them. Pathetic morons. The underbelly of Britain.

Menopausalsourpuss · 05/09/2025 20:52

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 05/09/2025 20:41

I mean obviously all men from anywhere can be a threat.

But it is striking how many of the men protesting outside have DV convictions. Same as MAGA - those who shout most about “foreign criminals” “foreign rapists” and “protecting our women” so often seem to have convictions for these type of offences.

Anyone would think it was more about ownership of women than anything else?

It would also of course be great if we still had
access to the EU's database of intelligence on those seeking asylum and whether they may have previous convictions in EU countries etc for these of, because of course I'm in favour of protecting women and children from predatory men, wherever they are from! Not going to pretend anyone seeking asylum or moving to the UK for whatever reason must be lovely.

Why would EU countries not give us that information and endanger our women and girls? I thought they were our friends (and we have them millions of pounds net over the years). And once again, there is NO evidence the men protesting legally outside the hotels have DV convictions (sigh went are there so many hard of thinking on mn?).

SeaAndStars · 05/09/2025 20:51

Whatever other arguments there are about this the fact that 2 out of every 5 men arrested during the riots last year have been reported for domestic violence is really shocking. That's a lot of men. A lot of men who are angry and violent towards women.

Regularmumm · 05/09/2025 20:51

cardibach · 05/09/2025 20:45

By the men rioting? 40%+ over a couple of different occasions. No evidence it’s at 40% for asylum seekers - though, as men, I’m sure it’s true of some of them.

Those Neanderthals with the flags are troublemakers looking for any excuse to kick out at anyone they see as lower than them in the social pecking order. What are they doing, standing around shouting and waving flags? Don’t they have work to go to or families to look after? Make me ashamed to be British

quantumbutterfly · 05/09/2025 20:51

fwiw op I think yabu - Do you denigrate every demographic that protests, or just this one?

Realitycheck1 · 05/09/2025 20:50

I see so because some protesters have a dubious background re women we should allow more totally un vetted men in to potentially also abuse woman and girls.
The potential is higher because these men come from religions and cultures that are not as advanced as ours on equality but that's ok because we have our own home grown abusers ?

Bringmeahigherlove · 05/09/2025 20:50

BarnOwlFlying · 05/09/2025 20:07

Because of the incidences of sexual assault.,.

Yes, in the Epping case. I don’t think it’s one or the other though. Sexual assault, rape and violence against women isn’t confined to one religious group or ethnicity. It’s a worldwide issue. The OP is saying 40% (I think it was 41-42%) of men arrested for immigration protests have been arrested for violence against women. To use “protecting our women” as a reason for their protest is therefore pretty mute.

Hoppinggreen · 05/09/2025 20:49

genesis92 · 05/09/2025 20:48

When the UK start to realise sexual assault data in relation to race or religion, then you can stop the delusion

What have I said that is "delusion"?
That the men outside the hotels are as dangerous to women if not more than those inside?

Sskka · 05/09/2025 20:49

OwlBeThere · 05/09/2025 20:42

No of course not, but let’s not pretend that all of the perpetrators in these situations are immigrants. Plenty of instances of British born offenders exist.
it’s just easier to pretend that ALL the problem lies with immigrants.

How many of the perpetrators were part of the 85%?

cardibach · 05/09/2025 20:48

Sadcafe · 05/09/2025 20:09

DD recently returned from a month touring round places such as Sri Lanka, Dubai, parts of the Indian sub continent, I know it’s not the areas the asylum seekers come from, but the thing she noticed above all else was how she was effectively ignored by the men in these countries when she ordered anything or paid for things, they always asked her partner if it was alright to proceed, outside of countries considered western, women are definitely still second class citizens and not respected

Not been my experience in eg Egypt, Morocco, India.
Women are second class citizens everywhere. We haven’t got to equality yet.

genesis92 · 05/09/2025 20:48

Hoppinggreen · 05/09/2025 20:45

I am in no way confused
I see some of the posters on here VERY clearly

When the UK start to realise sexual assault data in relation to race or religion, then you can stop the delusion