To think Farage surely has to go

No, just fed up with the db standards.... if pp's want to blame them when things go wrong, regardless of the inheritance, then goods things are also down to Lab.

I commented on your graph, clearly shows migration on a upward steep curve from 2011.

Not running with anything.

That is true but I think you’re focusing on the wrong poster, @TheNuthatchwas just responding to a question. People who didn’t vote Labour can easily see they are in power and should be accountable now.

But it’s now totally irrelevant what the Tories did. We’re now about a quarter of the way through Labours time in office. It’s not about what the Tories did or didn’t do - that ship has sailed - its about what are Labour doing.

Jeez, I wrote one sentence, and you've run a mile with it.

I answered a question by the pp, asking what the tories did on immigration. My post was true to the best of my knowledge.
I did not imply any 'fault' towards Labour, and have always credited them for keeping those policies, which they could have scrapped.

Looks like the Tories increased migration from the moment they came into power....to boost gdp growth...

Yet Con supporters very quiet on this...

So its bad stuff - Labours fault, Good stuff - Tories take credit ??

btw i'm not arguing with you over the policy, its just that we get told "Lab in Govt now, stop blaming the Tories"

So the opposite must also be true?

Here you go
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgx3ekkw1eo

@TheNuthatchis right on policy, but timing wise it was near the GE

My cynical feeling is she thought that as the trust was secret, she could avoid the extra tax but its also possible she just messed up and it was a genuine mistake.
i don't understand why she blamed the conveyancer, that showed a lack of taking responsibility.

She must have known that she could reclaim the tax once her son was 18?

Its all v odd but she had go, pity she strung it out.

Where have you got those stats from? We've had unprecedented levels of legal migration since Brexit.

They introduced policies (now adopted by Labour) which have halved legal immigration.

The Deputy PM didn't make a 'mistake', she thought she'd get away with it, and apparently refused to take tax advice. If a Tory politician did the same she would be howling for them to resign. Many politician are corrupt and dishonest, but I imagine are at least smart enough to seek proper guidance on how to get away with their dodgy dealings and keep them on the right side of the law.

Good question, I’d say no

They really were unfit to lead us.

Amongst other madness, Labour introduced an education tax and find 20 billion black holes every 3 to 4 months.

What a bunch of scoundrels they were.

Tulip siddiq
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/crmnjjm9j12t

Angela Raynor
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c80gr5emk43o.amp

homeless minister making people homeless
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/aug/07/uk-homelessness-minister-rushanara-ali-faces-calls-to-resign-over-tenant-eviction-claims

freebies
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Labour_Party_freebies_controversy

Ha ha 10s of billions of additional costs in there....plus we don't have the capacity to train or provide placements......
... & how do you persuade students who wish to study something else to switch to Healthcare?
How would you fill the vacancies this would bring in other areas?

The sectors you mention have always been private....

Increased training of medical staff of new medical staff to replace the short term migrant contractors. Writing off cost of uni fees for medics over time in line with NHS service. Co-operation with the private sector etc. All sensible policies to recruit and retain staff.

The whole selling off the NHS is scaremongering. When people talk about privatisation most people seem to forget that the majority of GP surgeries, pharamacies, dentists etc are already in private ownership.

Can anyone pro reform explain their plans for the nhs ? It seems to be those painting our roundabouts are the very ones who would have no access to free healthcare under a more insurance based system

Did the Tories try to turn immigration around?

see below

Are Labour genuinely trying to turn immigration around?

haha scarcely! are you looking back fondly to when the last government offered an oven ready brexit and to the days they squandered £10 Billion (!!!!) on PPE that was not usable. Or to those halcyon days of honesty with Dominic Cummings calling our PM a shopping trolley (he was!), and sitting in that rose garden explaining that he had had to drive to Barnards Castle to test his eyesight😅 What a bunch of scoundrels they were. Not to forget for a moment Rishi's eat out to help out that spread the virus further, and Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) snogging his "colleage" who he had given a job to in his office while the covid restrictions were on. They really were unfit to lead us.

What does that say about Farage then? who still trails Starmer on who makes the best PM ?

The thread poll is v representative, 34% think he should stay, mirroring the national polls on Reform.

Those 14 years of “chaos” are beginning to look like the salad days.

like I said; it will take some time to turn around; every single government has struggled
wirh immigration- reason: it’s unpopular but we don’t have enough people to sustain our institutions (ie our much loved NHS and our much loved pension) without this influx. I agree it needs to be limited and provision for housing needs to be sorted. But blaming immigrants themselves and the divisive anti invader sentiments we have seen recently is not the way to go.