Page 29 | To think Farage surely has to go

OneKookyShark · 2025-09-05T12:50:59+00:00

So Farage has some dodgy private company set up to avoid paying tax. Is he being pressured to resign as head of Reform? Of course not. Because he’s an entitled privileged man. The double standards are incredible really. Here’s the story [[https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/05/nigel-farage-uses-private-company-to-pay-less-tax-on-gb-news-earnings]] While I think Rayner had to resign, why are the same standards not being applied?

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 17:01

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 16:55

Wasn't their manifesto dubbed Truss on steroids?

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Yes,"Trussonomics" I believe, I think their Manifesto also included something about everyone having to wear Union Jack socks - I hope made here and not in China!

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 17:01

Boomer55 · 05/09/2025 16:59

He’s not set himself as an authentic “Poverty driven Ange from the block” figure though, has he?

He does set himself up as anti establishment man of the people

Boomer55 · 05/09/2025 16:59

He’s not set himself as an authentic “Poverty driven Ange from the block” figure though, has he?

Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 16:58

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:52

I know right, the 'Net Contributers' I know will not be trusting Reform with the economy.

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Umm….. only 47% of the population are net contributors……

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 05/09/2025 16:58

Cloanie · 05/09/2025 13:54

Try to find a politician who doesn’t have a clever accountant. 🙃

Well, Angela Rayner, apparently!

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:55

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 05/09/2025 16:51

Can I remind you who we have in charge right now, how could it be worse?These are people who introduced an education tax and find 20 billion black holes every three months.

I really don’t think people are going to be frightened into not giving reform a chance, there’s not much to lose.

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"Not much to lose" - understatement of the year!

TopPocketFind · 05/09/2025 16:55

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:52

I know right, the 'Net Contributers' I know will not be trusting Reform with the economy.

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Wasn't their manifesto dubbed Truss on steroids?

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:55

Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 16:51

I absolutely agree that the fact we have a prime minister and a party based system makes it much harder than US presidency BUT conservatives are dead in the water so it’s entirely possible that a significant proportion of the ones left will jump ship to reform unless the Tories pull off a remarkable turnarounds. And there are a lot of ex -Tories around remember …… BJ govt won a landslide not that long ago. There are a lot of credible right wing candidates who would potentially be more than willing to sign up if that was there way back to power

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There's no way that the Tories can turn it around. Kemi is car crash. There just isn't enough time to go through the process to remove her, appoint someone new (and who would that be anyway?) and then put forward a sensible set of policies. I doubt they will be able to find candidates prepared to stand in enough constituencies.

PhuckTrump · 05/09/2025 16:54

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:43

The thing that generally stops them is they realise that the benefits gravy train we have here doesn't exist elsewhere and they would have to provide for themselves.

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What benefit gravy train? I get precisely £0.

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:54

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:52

I know right, the 'Net Contributers' I know will not be trusting Reform with the economy.

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Can't believe I just used that term,😱

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:52

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 16:40

Exactly. As someone who’s neither feckless nor lazy but does possess a modicum of economic literacy, a Reform government terrifies me. Truss would look like an economic genius by comparison.

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I know right, the 'Net Contributers' I know will not be trusting Reform with the economy.

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 05/09/2025 16:51

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:36

Please don't delude yourself that this is the case, do you honestly think intelligent people paying lots of tax, are going to trust Farage with the economy.

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Can I remind you who we have in charge right now, how could it be worse?These are people who introduced an education tax and find 20 billion black holes every three months.

I really don’t think people are going to be frightened into not giving reform a chance, there’s not much to lose.

Skipthisbit · 05/09/2025 16:51

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:32

I didn’t explain the system. I explained Reform’s issues. Can you explain why this won’t be massively difficult for them, given their previous form?
Labour haven’t ‘fallen apart’ literally or figuratively.
Reshuffles are normal, and this one was scheduled anyway.

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I absolutely agree that the fact we have a prime minister and a party based system makes it much harder than US presidency BUT conservatives are dead in the water so it’s entirely possible that a significant proportion of the ones left will jump ship to reform unless the Tories pull off a remarkable turnarounds. And there are a lot of ex -Tories around remember …… BJ govt won a landslide not that long ago. There are a lot of credible right wing candidates who would potentially be more than willing to sign up if that was there way back to power

HRTQueen · 05/09/2025 16:43

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:05

She made a mistake. She didn’t ask for extra advice. That’s all.

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keep telling yourself that ... most of us are not so easily fooled

Most would also follow advice from a legal team to gain further expert advice, twice

Lucky she has gone, given that she makes such mistakes. And people were hoping for her to be the next PM 🙄- the left in the labour party never fail to shoot themselves in the foot and damage the party

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 16:43

They will fill safer seats with competent experienced business people who will be able to step into cabinet roles on day one.

Why aren’t they doing that now? If there are so many of these exceptional people lining up to represent them, how come they have teenagers leading councils and responsible for multi million pound services?

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:43

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The thing that generally stops them is they realise that the benefits gravy train we have here doesn't exist elsewhere and they would have to provide for themselves.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:41

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:32

I didn’t explain the system. I explained Reform’s issues. Can you explain why this won’t be massively difficult for them, given their previous form?
Labour haven’t ‘fallen apart’ literally or figuratively.
Reshuffles are normal, and this one was scheduled anyway.

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This was one scheduled? For a Friday afternoon? When no-one is London? Reform have already been able to take councils. They will be able to take more before the election. They will fill safer seats with competent experienced business people who will be able to step into cabinet roles on day one. They will then fill with Juniors. There is no reason they can't do it. As noted before the bar is not high for competence.

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 16:40

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:36

Please don't delude yourself that this is the case, do you honestly think intelligent people paying lots of tax, are going to trust Farage with the economy.

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Exactly. As someone who’s neither feckless nor lazy but does possess a modicum of economic literacy, a Reform government terrifies me. Truss would look like an economic genius by comparison.

Goldenbear · 05/09/2025 16:36

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 15:37

Farage is looking very likely to be the next PM. He already well ahead in the polls. The only people that need to worry and the feckless and lazy who might have to get off their arses for their cash. The country will change massively for the better.

Please don't delude yourself that this is the case, do you honestly think intelligent people paying lots of tax, are going to trust Farage with the economy.

AlertLimeZebra · 05/09/2025 16:32

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cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:32

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:30

No need to explain the system. There will obviously be some bumps and bruises but it is hardly like the other parties get candidates who are free of lies and corruption. Labour have only been in a year and have literally fallen apart. Starmer's busy moving the deckchairs today yet is powerless against the Reeves iceberg. The Conservatives are falling into oblivion.

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I didn’t explain the system. I explained Reform’s issues. Can you explain why this won’t be massively difficult for them, given their previous form?
Labour haven’t ‘fallen apart’ literally or figuratively.
Reshuffles are normal, and this one was scheduled anyway.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:31

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 16:29

I've just seen Andrea Jenkyns at the conference. If that's what the country really wants then I'm leaving now.

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People always say that will leave. They rarely deliver on their promise.

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:30

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:17

The thing is, they can’t vote for him unless they live in Clacton. Elsewhere they’ll have to vote for a different Reform candidate. I’m not saying this to be pedantic, but to point out that they really struggle to find (and vet) candidates. It’s a massive job to get a candidate in place for every constituency, even given 4 years, and the short history of the Reform party tells us that even if they manage it a significant number will be found to be unsavoury or will just immediately resign.

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No need to explain the system. There will obviously be some bumps and bruises but it is hardly like the other parties get candidates who are free of lies and corruption. Labour have only been in a year and have literally fallen apart. Starmer's busy moving the deckchairs today yet is powerless against the Reeves iceberg. The Conservatives are falling into oblivion.

BallerinaRadio · 05/09/2025 16:29

Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 16:09

The current polling says 1 in 3 people will vote for him, and momentum is still growing. Highly likely he will become PM with a whole fresh group of MPs.

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I've just seen Andrea Jenkyns at the conference. If that's what the country really wants then I'm leaving now.

cardibach · 05/09/2025 16:24

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 16:20

Yes the lie was she got ‘bad advice’

She didn’t. They clearly said ask for specialist advice which she didn’t.

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Two different companies told her the same tax figure, which she paid.
It’s not a lie to say that advice was bad.
There is, perhaps, a lie of omission in not saying they had also advised getting a third opinion, but honestly, most legal advice comes with a heap of caveats.