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mumofoneAloneandwell · 2025-09-05T11:17:29+00:00

The tone on some of the other threads is very 'two tier keir' 'we need *reform*' 🤢🤢🤢 She had to go. Shame as I thought she was likeable I remember when he tried to fire her before and she refused to be fired iirc 😭😭 Who will replace her? Who do you want to replace her? I'm not arsed tbh, but needed a non faragey thread

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 05/09/2025 21:52

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 05/09/2025 21:39

@PacificState yeah I don't disagree, it's a shame.

Not enthused about David Lammy as replacement 😬

I'm hoping he was just putting a front on with Vance like we all have to do sometimes with certain odious colleagues or family members but he did look perhaps a bit too happy in his company 😬.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 05/09/2025 21:39

@PacificState yeah I don't disagree, it's a shame.

Not enthused about David Lammy as replacement 😬

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 05/09/2025 21:30

PacificState · 05/09/2025 19:37

@thedramaQueen I kind of love Streeting tbh. He’s so… adept. And sounds authentic even when he’s spouting party lines. I feel like he’s got that tone that both Blair and Cameron had - can disagree with people without sounding angry. Good teachers/explainers. Sound like they mean what they say and intend to put it into practice (Starmer totally lacks this, bless him.) I know he’s considered to be to the right of the party, but so (to be honest) is the British electorate!

I have nothing against Burnham, but I feel like he’s been fairly clear that he doesn’t want to come back to Westminster. And tbh I feel like most people who do remember him will associate him with a flailing Gordon Brown administration. I agree he’s been good in Manchester, but that’s a very different role and a very different electorate.

Still, all theoretical of course (for now…)

Excellent post. Put more eloquently than I could but I agree with all of what you said.

Swiftie1878 · 05/09/2025 21:26

shiningstar2 · 05/09/2025 16:25

Life long Labour voter here but yes she had to go. I admire her as someone who has used the opportunities which were open to her to pull herself up by her bootstraps in a way which not many could achieve. However you can't shout the odds about tax evasion/avoidance of others without making sure you are squeaky clean yourself. Even from the back benches she's been an MP long enough to have seen plenty of others across party go for dubious financial issues and she's a quick learner. learnt quickly what you can and can't say in the House for example and to have come so far so fast, holding her own amongst the wealthy, well connected and very well educated she can't be naive. Amongst her many top jobs she is housing secretary for goodness sake. Claiming she is misinformed on a house tax issue as Housing Secretary is hardly a good look. She should have checked and checked again. I fear she may have got a tiny bit greedy to choose the option she did without being absolutely certain sure. She has not only embarrassed herself but the Party which. gave her such tremendous opportunities and, despite her competence and rhetoric has let herself and others down. It's time to return to the Back Benches for now but I hope this is not the end of a successful parliamentary career for her.

Agree with this. I was an admirer, and feel disappointed that she had proved the rule that power corrupts.
She was a very decent, empathetic being. And then rose through the ranks and her thinking was perverted.
I hope she reflects and comes back better and stronger.

PacificState · 05/09/2025 20:54

@JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff I absolutely agree that it was stupid of her not to be double/triple cautious. I guess I just also think that the rules are genuinely obscure to anyone without a legal/financial background, and without a middle-class/professional hinterland.

@LegoPicnic thanks for the explanation.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 05/09/2025 20:46

@PacificState my understanding is that she was advised by aides to seek additional advice and didn't. Plus she had already been in slightly hot water fairly recently for a tax problem and had had to go through an ethics process.

I do not really buy that the housing minister wouldn't know about specialist tax advisors in this area, but even if she did not, she could have asked an aide or ethics advisor - I'm doing this property purchase, should someone look it over?

She either didn't or brushed off their advice. Which is stupid politics.

I personally think she'll come back after a bit and there's a good chance Wes S will do well out of this.

LegoPicnic · 05/09/2025 20:43

PacificState · 05/09/2025 20:38

The other things lots of MNers were saying was that Rayner was a politically exposed person (which is a regulatory category), and as such any financial professional must have identified her as such and subjected her to enhanced screening. The implication was, if PEP rules had been followed she couldn’t possibly have failed to receive the correct advice.

I have absolutely no idea whether this was true - but if it was, and her solicitors failed to identify her as a PEP/offer the appropriate advice, are they in breach of some kind of duty? Not a peep of this in the Laurie Magnus report. Maybe he doesn’t understand the rules either? Does… anybody understand the rules? And if they don’t, might there be some kind of bigger problem than Ange’s seaside flat that’s worth paying attention to?

She would no doubt be classed as a PEP but the enhanced due diligence is mainly to check that PEPs aren’t involved in things like money laundering, bribery and corruption. The underpayment of tax in this instance sounds more like a careless mistake, and the firms did suggest / recommend taking specialist advice. So it doesn’t sound like a due diligence failure here, although I’m far from an expert.

Noras · 05/09/2025 20:41

WitchesofPainswick · 05/09/2025 12:36

Farage has said "We are taking them down one by one" - he's right. I think Reform and their backers will do this to the entire government and either force a GE or just win the next one.

It's becoming inevitable that Reform will get in, set fire to regulatory rules and fuck the country up.

Hopefully people will wake up and realise that that is a complete nightmare

PacificState · 05/09/2025 20:38

The other things lots of MNers were saying was that Rayner was a politically exposed person (which is a regulatory category), and as such any financial professional must have identified her as such and subjected her to enhanced screening. The implication was, if PEP rules had been followed she couldn’t possibly have failed to receive the correct advice.

I have absolutely no idea whether this was true - but if it was, and her solicitors failed to identify her as a PEP/offer the appropriate advice, are they in breach of some kind of duty? Not a peep of this in the Laurie Magnus report. Maybe he doesn’t understand the rules either? Does… anybody understand the rules? And if they don’t, might there be some kind of bigger problem than Ange’s seaside flat that’s worth paying attention to?

LegoPicnic · 05/09/2025 20:37

LidlAmaretto · 05/09/2025 18:49

I thought the LP deputy PM was an elected post at Conference. Is that not the case?
David Lammy is an odd choice and sounds like a bit of a demotion. I thought it would be someone like Matthew Pennycock or Peter Kyle.

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I was surprised at David Lammy getting moved to that post. He gets Justice as well, which I believe is a demotion from Foreign Secretary; don’t know if deputy PM makes up for that.

Wonder who he”s fallen out with, as I thought he got on fairly well with Vance - which I’m not sure is an advantage or a disadvantage tbh.

WorriedMutha · 05/09/2025 20:30

Surely if the trust bought her share at an overvalue, the trustees would be in breach of their fiduciary duty. It would be a serious matter.

BIossomtoes · 05/09/2025 20:21

caringcarer · 05/09/2025 20:18

What is worst iny opinion is she over charged her own son for the 25 percent of the house she sold him. The house was over valued and she knew it.

Allegedly. Not even the most right wing media have reported this - and I’m sure they would if there was the tiniest grain of truth in it. It appears to be a rumour exclusively confined to MN.

caringcarer · 05/09/2025 20:18

What is worst iny opinion is she over charged her own son for the 25 percent of the house she sold him. The house was over valued and she knew it.

IstillloveKingThistle · 05/09/2025 20:14

KhakiTiger · 05/09/2025 19:29

Dream on OP. Reform are eating Labour’ lunch while these Labour liars are being exposed as crooks and thieves.

Yep.

IstillloveKingThistle · 05/09/2025 20:13

LovelySunnyDayToday · 05/09/2025 20:09

Lammy is in.

Fuck me.

😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬

IstillloveKingThistle · 05/09/2025 20:12

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 05/09/2025 12:21

I agree she had to go. I feel let down by the fact that I thought she was better. No idea who might replace her. I wish Yvette Cooper would take over from Starmer to be honest….she seems the most sensible out the lot of them. The media and public are so against Starmer now (rightly or wrongly) that I feel him remaining in charge is just damaging the party.

It’s a shit show.

All of it .

Disappointed Cooper wasn’t elected as Deputy PM.

We will see but it’s not looking good for Labour right now.

LovelySunnyDayToday · 05/09/2025 20:10

Redburnett · 05/09/2025 19:32

It does make one wonder about her level of intelligence, and who was advising her on her own financial matters. Tax affairs are not always straightforward, as in this case, and it rather looks as though she believed what she wanted to believe instead of asking an expert.

You would think she’d have checked and double checked.

LovelySunnyDayToday · 05/09/2025 20:09

Lammy is in.

LidlAmaretto · 05/09/2025 20:03

PacificState · 05/09/2025 19:39

Deputy Leader of the Labour Party is elected by the party. Deputy PM is in the gift of the PM. Rayner was both, but the election now for Deputy Leader (she’s stood down) is expected to be a bloodletting nightmare. So that’s something to look forward to, if you support the government (as I do, broadly)

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Bloody hell that's going to be a shitshow! I wonder if that's what Farage meant when he said the LP would tear itself apart in the next few weeks.

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mumofoneAloneandwell · 05/09/2025 20:02

whenimnotcleaningwindows · 05/09/2025 19:34

She was a threat to them, which is why it's all the more stupid of her and frustrating for us. These "silly mistakes" shouldn't be happening. These people are meant to be showing the best of the working classes, not that they can't even do their own taxes when that's part of their job for the nation.

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Honestly, completely agree

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PacificState · 05/09/2025 19:39

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 19:34

I thought it was usually elected too is that another post

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Deputy Leader of the Labour Party is elected by the party. Deputy PM is in the gift of the PM. Rayner was both, but the election now for Deputy Leader (she’s stood down) is expected to be a bloodletting nightmare. So that’s something to look forward to, if you support the government (as I do, broadly)

whenimnotcleaningwindows · 05/09/2025 19:37

Lammy got on very well with Vance...
I suspect this is a political move to keep Trump happy with us, and if/when Vance takes over when he pops-le-clogs.

PacificState · 05/09/2025 19:37

@thedramaQueen I kind of love Streeting tbh. He’s so… adept. And sounds authentic even when he’s spouting party lines. I feel like he’s got that tone that both Blair and Cameron had - can disagree with people without sounding angry. Good teachers/explainers. Sound like they mean what they say and intend to put it into practice (Starmer totally lacks this, bless him.) I know he’s considered to be to the right of the party, but so (to be honest) is the British electorate!

I have nothing against Burnham, but I feel like he’s been fairly clear that he doesn’t want to come back to Westminster. And tbh I feel like most people who do remember him will associate him with a flailing Gordon Brown administration. I agree he’s been good in Manchester, but that’s a very different role and a very different electorate.

Still, all theoretical of course (for now…)

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 19:34

LidlAmaretto · 05/09/2025 18:49

I thought the LP deputy PM was an elected post at Conference. Is that not the case?
David Lammy is an odd choice and sounds like a bit of a demotion. I thought it would be someone like Matthew Pennycock or Peter Kyle.

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I thought it was usually elected too is that another post

whenimnotcleaningwindows · 05/09/2025 19:34

mumofoneAloneandwell · 05/09/2025 18:26

She, imo, was the only threat to reform

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She was a threat to them, which is why it's all the more stupid of her and frustrating for us. These "silly mistakes" shouldn't be happening. These people are meant to be showing the best of the working classes, not that they can't even do their own taxes when that's part of their job for the nation.