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Unable to get worked up over issues like Rayner stamp duty and Tory pandemic parties

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Willgetflamedforthis1 · 04/09/2025 23:01

NC for this for obvious reasons…but I find myself unable to see what all the fuss is about for these storm-in-a-political-teacup issues that seem to frequently dominate the headlines in the UK media.

At the moment it’s Rayner’s stamp duty balls-up. Before that, it was the Tory’s Pandemic Parties. They just feel like unneeded distractions from actual corruption and the real problems people are living with.

Why are we in such a frenzy over a politician making an honest mistake with the UK’s mind-numbing stamp duty and trust laws, when hundreds of thousands of leaseholders are being fleeced by offshore freeholders every year or are STILL trapped in unsaleable flats because of the cladding scandal?

Frankly, I don’t care if a politician misjudged a property tax matter. She’s not a tax accountant. What matters is integrity in office, not whether she misunderstood a rule so complicated most solicitors have to double-check it.

And on the Tory side? I find it so hard to get worked up about people already in the same office all day standing around in the same office but this time with wine and a Christmas jumper on. Yes it was ill judged and bad optics. But compared to PPE contracts and billions wasted in cronyism, it’s laughable that Party Gate was given airtime at all let alone given a dramatised documentary on Channel 4.

We are not living through a slow news day. We are in the thick of environmental collapse, a housing crisis and spiralling costs of living. Yet the media somehow thinks these non-issues deserve top billing and people lap it up.

It’s an absurd waste of the energy we should be focusing on solving our actual problems. Does anyone agree?

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Bumblebee72 · 05/09/2025 21:03

It is actual corruption. You can't be a law maker and then not follow the rules. You can't say that the government should be collecting tax from the wealthiest in society and then not pay what you're meant to when your net worth is £5m so you are one of the wealthiest.

Cynic17 · 05/09/2025 20:49

I didn't care about the pandemic parties - in fact, I was quite pleased they had them, because they obviously knew that the rules were nonsense, as we all did.
But Angela Rayner avoided tax, and that is pretty serious. She was a laughing stock as Deputy PM, so she had to go.

Nowherefast4 · 05/09/2025 20:42

The older I get, the more I think that it doesn't matter especially if there's a left or right government in power. The moment you're in no 10, the promises you've made become secondary to external factors. Pragmatism rules and whatever political ideals you had are exonerated. I don't overly care about this, it was likely an error. I do think Angela Rayner would have used it as vicious ammunition were it a Tory MP. I'd prefer bigger issues tackled than petty squabbling. I grew tired of the council estate-girl-anyone-can-succeed shtick as while she did, and that's impressive, she's an outlier and I think it was pushed too hard to justify the narrative of "hard working families" and "anyone can do it!". It detracts from the the fact that currently the government is making very real cuts to benefits, childcare is extortionate and housing is hugely expensive.

MushMonster · 05/09/2025 20:23

I am with you OP. Not that they ate innocent of both scandals, but there is so much worst they have done where we should take them all to court for damaging the UK, to be honest.

jamnpancakes · 05/09/2025 20:16

canyouseemyhousefromhere · 05/09/2025 18:53

I really do think it was an honest mistake. I would have left it to the solicitor to sort. She has done some great work for women.
However she didn’t have any alternative but to resign, which she did as soon as the ethics commission ruled.
Other parties will of course use it as ammunition. It’s a sad episode.
Time will tell.
Just remember the shenanigans of the last government.

It wasn't for her solicitor to sort 🤷‍♀️ they don't do that.,

jamnpancakes · 05/09/2025 20:16

sophiecygnet · 05/09/2025 18:58

Mainly agree with OP but her solicitor advised her to seek specialist advice, she did NOT.Do that.
It is in the report. Probably that is what buried her.

I'm currently going through the same process - taking advice from a tax expert before I update will etc. She's lying about this or extremely stupid and not fit for the job.

jamnpancakes · 05/09/2025 20:14

restingbitchface30 · 05/09/2025 19:32

It’s a cute little distraction from the genocide that’s happening in Gaza. Let’s be honest it’s not really important in the grand scheme is it? A politician being dodgy is hardly ground shattering these days.
People should really be focussing on the thousands of people being starved and killed. Everything else just screams first world problems to me

They are the problems that affect our everyday life here in the UK. Just because other things are happening worldwide doesn't mean to say what goes on here is irrelevant.

Spinmerightroundbaby · 05/09/2025 20:12

jamnpancakes · 04/09/2025 23:05

She didn't make a mistake. She took tax advice resulting in her putting a property in trust . This is tax avoidance. This is the same party who want to tax my pension 40%. They are do as I say but do different!

This.

restingbitchface30 · 05/09/2025 19:32

It’s a cute little distraction from the genocide that’s happening in Gaza. Let’s be honest it’s not really important in the grand scheme is it? A politician being dodgy is hardly ground shattering these days.
People should really be focussing on the thousands of people being starved and killed. Everything else just screams first world problems to me

OneNewLeader · 05/09/2025 19:04

I somewhat agree, there are much more pressing issues for this government to be dealing with.

I think it suits some interests for the attention to be focussed on the human failings of individuals, stops us asking the really big questions.

Each ‘event’ seeks to reinforce the view that ‘they’re all the same’ and it’s ‘not worth voting’. I don’t think they are and it’s absolutely vital people vote … otherwise vested interests go unchallenged. Or people vote on vibes.

Newname71 · 05/09/2025 19:00

Glitchymn1 · 05/09/2025 04:40

So you weren’t prevented from seeing a loved one who died alone due to the pandemic, whilst the politicians partied?
Being forced to wear the ridiculous face masks,
whilst queueing for hours at the supermarket. Mental health went out the window for a lot of people, some took their own lives.
I’m not blind to the plight of others even though I sailed through lockdown and now get to work from home as a result-amazing for me.

Politicians are all in for themselves but it would be nice if they stuck to the rules they made! Bunch of self serving idiot toffs, the lot of them. I’ve no respect for any of them.

This^^
I will never get over the fact that my beloved dad was taken into hospital and despite us being told he wasn’t going to pull through we weren’t allowed to see him because… rules..He and my mum spent the last 4 days of his life with her not being able to see him after 51 years of marriage because….rules.

sophiecygnet · 05/09/2025 18:58

Mainly agree with OP but her solicitor advised her to seek specialist advice, she did NOT.Do that.
It is in the report. Probably that is what buried her.

canyouseemyhousefromhere · 05/09/2025 18:53

I really do think it was an honest mistake. I would have left it to the solicitor to sort. She has done some great work for women.
However she didn’t have any alternative but to resign, which she did as soon as the ethics commission ruled.
Other parties will of course use it as ammunition. It’s a sad episode.
Time will tell.
Just remember the shenanigans of the last government.

TheTwenties · 05/09/2025 18:44

Unfortunately, we the general population are not allowed to make a human error without the strong possibility of large consequences. All examples mentioned are just people being held to the same standards as the rest of us and feeling the repercussions of their ‘human’ errors albeit in a very public way.

Vynalbob · 05/09/2025 18:40

I think they matter just not as much as the news time given suggests. I'm more concerned about our seeming lurch to the right politically and the rise it hate, over one issue-ish.....and this might lead us down the path of selling everything that the country owns (Thatcher on speed, I'm sure she wouldn't even gone as far as we are now)...talking about the NHS, land, rights, etc.

But I still agree with you the news is repetitive and without much worth. I'm sure there are actual crimes happening but they are shoehorned into local news or police posts on social media.

And bring back the and finallys!

ItalianWays · 05/09/2025 18:31

I would feel less exercised about Rayner if, every time the question of stretched public finances comes up, the Left didn’t respond with “we can find the money to give train drivers a double digit pay rise if we just clamp down on tax evasion by the rich”.

EatingsCheating · 05/09/2025 18:28

Mossstitch · 04/09/2025 23:18

Sorry but I don't agree that this was done for tax avoidance, she has a son born at 23 weeks with severe disabilities, any decent parent would try to ensure that he was provided for after they were no longer there to look after them! I'm personally sick of hearing about it and feel sorry for the poor woman having to disclose personal information with regards to her family and divorce which has nothing to do with the public.

Oh please, do me a favour. If this were a Tory MP she would have been baying for their blood. I have zero sympathy for this type of hypocrisy! She was the bloody housing minister and deputy PM and she deliberately avoided paying her taxes. In no other profession would this be tolerated.

PetuniaT · 05/09/2025 18:21

Mossstitch · 04/09/2025 23:18

Sorry but I don't agree that this was done for tax avoidance, she has a son born at 23 weeks with severe disabilities, any decent parent would try to ensure that he was provided for after they were no longer there to look after them! I'm personally sick of hearing about it and feel sorry for the poor woman having to disclose personal information with regards to her family and divorce which has nothing to do with the public.

What bollocks! My granddaughter was born at 26 weeks and her mum stayed in hospital with her for months. She didn't sue the NHS and buy a family home with the "compo" not did she take her name off the title deeds so she could buy a third dwelling without paying the appropriate stamp duty. Any Rayner's gone now, big hypocrite that she is.

jamnpancakes · 05/09/2025 14:49

Well she's gone. Good.

CreationNat1on · 05/09/2025 10:37

Pandemic parties : medical staff were being vilified if they left their masks slip or appeared to not follow exacting hand washing advice, whilst politicians were partying and flouting all the rules. It was obnoxious.

MorrisZapp · 05/09/2025 10:24

Broadly agree. The pandemic parties were a total non event whipped up to ludicrous proportion.

Rayner probably won't survive this, and the tories will be crowing until the next time the boot's on the other foot. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

They've been wanging on about sleaze for as long as I can remember, yet here we are. Unless we can breed a new type of human in a test tube or something sleaze will always be with us.

jamnpancakes · 05/09/2025 10:18

Mossstitch · 04/09/2025 23:18

Sorry but I don't agree that this was done for tax avoidance, she has a son born at 23 weeks with severe disabilities, any decent parent would try to ensure that he was provided for after they were no longer there to look after them! I'm personally sick of hearing about it and feel sorry for the poor woman having to disclose personal information with regards to her family and divorce which has nothing to do with the public.

If you take the bucks then you have to be prepared to explain it.

rwalker · 05/09/2025 07:26

I’ll be honest if I could minimise tax I paid I would
the problem for her is she’s set herself up for this and she’s banged on for years publicly about people avoiding tax are the scum of the earth and morally corrupt
she’s called for many mp’s to be sacked or resign in similar circumstances

yet brazenly does the same herself

EasternStandard · 05/09/2025 07:26

nomas · 04/09/2025 23:31

She has tried to blame the solicitors but they have rightly pushed back:

Verrico & Associates managing director, Joanna Verrico, told The Telegraph: “We did not and never have given tax or trust advice.” She added: “We probably are being made scapegoats for all this, and I have got the arrows stuck in my back to show it.”

Yep this will be the issue, trying to blame the solicitors with lies

As for the op it’s the hypocrisy that will get Rayner after going after others, live by the sword etc

beAsensible1 · 05/09/2025 07:15

I just don’t care tbh. It’s not that big a deal. Our economy is in the bin, there is large scale social unrest due to migration, cost of living is sky high. this is not a top 10 issue