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Goldyy · 04/09/2025 19:39

Referring to children who don’t have behavioural issues or SEND as ‘normal’ children?

OP posts:
estrogone · 05/09/2025 07:50

It's the 'need' that is described as 'special' not the child. The child is just a child.

estrogone · 05/09/2025 07:46

Yawn.

I object to people who needlessly object. It's tiresome at best, arrogant at worst.

Your child is normal. Just a normal, run of the mill human child. To you - special, extraordinary, even a little miracle (and that is to be expected - you are their Mum), but nobody else cares.

Zonder · 05/09/2025 07:41

I'm an advisory SEND teacher working for our local authority. I was pretty shocked at a couple of posters in this thread til I realised they were just being controversial for the sake of it.

Don't rise to it, people. We know our SEND kids and what they need. Thank God some of them get something of what they need. We all know plenty of kids who don't get what they need.

And the term for non SEND is typical. Not normal. Typical. No doubt it will change in a few years but we have a good word for now.

Chobby · 05/09/2025 07:41

Fragmentedbrain · 05/09/2025 07:03

It's special treatment sucking the lifeblood from mainstream education.

Did I mention the non means tested free taxis everywhere?

I’d rather my child didn’t have to go to a school 45 miles away (a 90 mile round trip to school for a 6 year old is not ideal), but that is the only suitable school that was able to meet his needs. But yay! He gets a free taxi!

Chobby · 05/09/2025 07:39

TempNameForObviousReasons · 04/09/2025 19:47

Oh great, another word for the bleeding hearts to get offended about.

I object to SEND children being called 'special needs'.
Why are they special? Are my non-disabled chidren not special?

I have one child with SEN and 2 without. I feel no offence on behalf of my children without SEN that my disabled child’s needs are described as ‘special’, and I doubt they are offended either. Because they’re not dicks.

BlackeyedSusan · 05/09/2025 07:36

TempNameForObviousReasons · 04/09/2025 22:15

Don't forget the extra DLA and associated UC disabled child elements- for a child on HRC this can be over 1k extra each and every month... and when the child has ADHD or autism for example they don't really have any more added expenses than other children who don't qualify for all this extra money.

🤣

Not a fucking clue!

No additional expenses!

No, DLA does not cover the extra expenses for autistic kids.

SnobblyBobbly · 05/09/2025 07:17

Lanu · 05/09/2025 00:52

Your comment is ridiculous and shows a complete lack of thinking in your ankle-breaking rush to be nasty about it.

SEND is Special Educational Needs - not 'Special Children's Needs.'

Pretty sure she was making a point rather than expressing an actual view…..

x2boys · 05/09/2025 07:13

Fragmentedbrain · 05/09/2025 07:03

It's special treatment sucking the lifeblood from mainstream education.

Did I mention the non means tested free taxis everywhere?

Taxis?
It's usually a mini bus BTW
Where exactly would you want disabled children to be taught.?

Yellowlife · 05/09/2025 07:11

Fragmentedbrain · 05/09/2025 07:03

It's special treatment sucking the lifeblood from mainstream education.

Did I mention the non means tested free taxis everywhere?

Your username seems appropriate!

Look at some of the attitudes towards disabled people on this thread OP…

I really don’t worry about people saying normal. There’s so much else to worry about.

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 05/09/2025 07:07

Fragmentedbrain · 05/09/2025 07:03

It's special treatment sucking the lifeblood from mainstream education.

Did I mention the non means tested free taxis everywhere?

Do people really feel like this?

Do you endorse more special schools (at taxpayer expense) which would reduce taxi cost and some issues in mainstream school but is an act of segregation and costs a lot to implement.

Fragmentedbrain · 05/09/2025 07:03

GagMeWithASpoon · 05/09/2025 05:35

That is not special treatment. Those are reasonable adjustments so that they can access education.

It's special treatment sucking the lifeblood from mainstream education.

Did I mention the non means tested free taxis everywhere?

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 05/09/2025 07:03

TempNameForObviousReasons · 04/09/2025 23:10

Exactly. You have to demonstrate need, not expense.
Just because an ADHD child may need extra watching over or guidance doesn't mean they cost more like for like compared to other nt kids. No medical equipment, expensive adaptations, frequent hospital trips etc as you would expect with other illnesses and disabilities.
Literally 1k extra each month to spend on what they like as a family, oh and of course a club or two to burn off the child's extra energy or improve their mental health (my nt children would also like and benefit from clubs but we don't qualify for extra money)

This is relevent because it's just another example of how SEN children and their families absolutely do get 'special' treatment and extra opportunities, as per pp.

My children are autistic, ADHD, severe learning disabilities. There absolutely are additional expenses with these disabilities (depending on needs). As a previous poster mentioned, one of my children is very destructive, we have accepted a few things remaining broken around the house, but need curtains, some form of entertainment in the house, chairs and sofas! We buy very, very expensive specialist furniture which is extra tough or adapted for safety. Our children need walking harnesses, extortionate car harnesses. One child is in nappies, the continence service tends to offer 3 a day, maximum, so we have to buy large nappies. Our laundry costs are immense - ever heard of smearing? We can't just go to the park as the children abscond and are now so big they can outrun me, I wouldn't be able to restrain one of them safely on my own (plus that's a pretty shit park trip!) So nearly every trip out is to a specialist centre (which costs some money or is a long drive - fuel cost - away). I had to give up work because regular childcare for these children doesn't exist and one of my children didn't even have a school place for several years as no school could meet needs. There are lots of appointments for some of these children, which means many families struggle to have both parents in work. Children like this often require lots of sensory activities and equipment to remain calm. Etc, etc.

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 05/09/2025 06:46

Blissker · 04/09/2025 21:21

I'm 15 years into parenting a child who has SEN. I've only ever heard "normal" as a slip up.

Arguably the term "neurotypical" is just a fairly transparent rebadging of "normal" and it too will soon fall out of favour. Perhaps that is already happening with the whole "allistic" thing.

Yeah, I really don't care if it appears a genuine mistake.

I don't like it said around my kids though.

Thepossibility · 05/09/2025 06:44

I've got two SEN and one without and I've probably said normal for an easy life and wouldn't ever dream of being offended by anyone saying that. Normal doesn't mean better in this context, it means not SEN.

whimsicallyprickly · 05/09/2025 06:37

Wow @TempNameForObviousReasons !

The reasons are obvious! Are you from the Daily Mail or are you simply not very nice?

dontcomeatme · 05/09/2025 06:32

Some pp have clearly never heard the saying "equity over equality". Not a very nice thread to read through 🫤

But OP my best friends oldest DC is disabled, she will never walk, talk and will wear nappies all her life. My friend refers to her other kids as "normal" with the air quotes whenever she is trying to explain something relevant. Sometimes in the moment there isn't another word, I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

holidayhelpme123 · 05/09/2025 06:21

TempNameForObviousReasons · 04/09/2025 21:51

Big disagree! They absolutely do!!!

are you actually annoyed about disabled children getting additional help?

DoRayMeMeMe · 05/09/2025 05:48

TempNameForObviousReasons · 04/09/2025 19:47

Oh great, another word for the bleeding hearts to get offended about.

I object to SEND children being called 'special needs'.
Why are they special? Are my non-disabled chidren not special?

The special refers to the Needs, not the child.

Your child’s Needs are standard/off the peg. Other children have needs that require a special or tailored solution.

But you knew that anyway.

whimsicallyprickly · 05/09/2025 05:41

BreakingBroken · 05/09/2025 04:38

Unless a doctor, nurse, teacher or parent on mn, I wouldn’t expect most people 50+ to use NT and ND.

Why? I'm over 50, with no contact with anyone who is ND and yet I use the terms NT and ND

GagMeWithASpoon · 05/09/2025 05:35

Fragmentedbrain · 04/09/2025 21:51

Extra exam and assessment time

One on one staff time

Free laptop, free other gizmos, excusal from various forms of assessment

Yes they do

That is not special treatment. Those are reasonable adjustments so that they can access education.

Autisticauldbag · 05/09/2025 04:41

BreakingBroken · 05/09/2025 04:38

Unless a doctor, nurse, teacher or parent on mn, I wouldn’t expect most people 50+ to use NT and ND.

Why? some of us 50+ year olds are ND.

BreakingBroken · 05/09/2025 04:38

Unless a doctor, nurse, teacher or parent on mn, I wouldn’t expect most people 50+ to use NT and ND.

AardvarkaKedavra · 05/09/2025 03:58

I think if this is someone's bar for 'really awful', they're in for a rough ride through life. It may not be the most delicate or widely approved word choice, but it's true. Children without special needs by definition are the norm, therefore it's not surprising that someone would say they are 'normal' without intending any slight toward children who don't fall within the norm.

As it becomes increasingly difficult to navigate the minefield of what's currently considered acceptable language, more and more people will either be silenced or stop attempting to use 'correct' language. Why even bother when you can do your honest best and still be judged as really awful?

Alicealig · 05/09/2025 02:00

IsSheOkayOrWhat · 04/09/2025 21:13

What does ‘normal’ mean?????

Normal, means what is typical or relating to the majority. We don't need to beat around the bush with different kind of language because when you ban certain words you only achieve in making them more weaponised to those who would use them as such. Say it for what it is. Of course SEND kids aren't normal in terms of education. If we had no normal, with which to refererence then there wouldnt even be any SEND category or any other outlier category for that matter. Normal is what sets the base standard for literally everything we perceive in life.

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