Dropping her T’s

@HundredMilesAnHour I don't blame you.
@NewHere83 , I've not heard that one.
@Obeseandashamed , same here. Something like Lie-bry for Library IMO is sloppy. I don't like additional letters being added to words either.
@Stick0rTwist , I'd listen to how the teacher speaks and then decide what to do.

OP, if you are snobby, I am right there with you. I would feel the same way you do.

Pronunciation can have variations and that’s normal with any accent. Missing letters and substituting words isn’t pronunciation, it’s incorrect. E.g nowt is not the same as nothing. Int isn’t the same as is not or in the. They are different words altogether. I have no issues about whether my child says bath as bath or Ba-h- th - they’re the same words pronounced differently.

No but us Lancastrians are pissed off that some of our Lancastrian dialect words (and accents) are referred to as being Yorkshire. 😡

Ooh interesting! Because I really dislike when people pronounce the W in drawing! I'm trying to think how I say it. I think "dror-ing", rather than "drawring". It's "dror-wing" that makes me wince.

I would not mention it to the teacher. Maybe it's just a phase and it will pass?

Where l live lots of people don't say their "Th's" and instead say them as "F's" e.g. Feo rather than Theo, Fick rather than thick. It's doubly annoying for me as lm not even from here!

@AnPiscin , not only is there anti-Irishness but there is anti-[certain parts of GB]ness too.
There's a reference to 'Yorkshire accent' on this thread. The MNers from Yorkshire aren't up in arms about it.

My point was neither was right but if a word has an R in it then it's right to flipping well say it in my opinion!

I think it's pretty clear she (and others) means "my daughter is clearly among the lower class oiks, ugh"

Cillian Murphy moved his family out of London because the kids’ accents were posh.

“They were sort of at that age where they were pre-teens and [had] very posh English accents and I wasn’t appreciating that too much! So we decided to come back.”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20072707.cillian-murphy-reveals-left-london-change-kids-posh-english-acccents

Children switch accents for home and school. Don't worry about it.

‘Owt and nowt are Yorkshire slang’

No, they’re not slang, they’re dialect. There’s a difference. They’re not just Yorkshire either.

My original comment that you first replied to (where you talked about phonics) was a response to the OP'S original post. I wanted to clarify my point was not about me teaching phonics (and I'd still like the OP to answer my question!).

Not in the slightest. I can't imagine why you would think that based on anything I've said.

I was a secondary English teacher, though. Should I have been instructed to (try to) mimic local pronunciation if a parent complained?

Wow. Calm down.

You aren’t actually The Great Arbiter of Undisputable Truth, despite your dogmatic assertion.

Guess what. I don’t think it’s ‘snobby’ to notice dropping ‘T’s. And my thought is just as valid as yours. The fact is I don’t care about judging what is ‘snobby’. I judge that policing others for potential ‘snobiness’ is chippy as fuck, intrusive, and time to get a life.

I appreciate you answering instead of me @AncientHarpy, thank you. I agree with what you say.

I'm a literacy specialist and this is something that comes up regularly in phonics teaching, particularly in Early Years and KS1. As discussed on this thread, some English phonemes sound very different depending on the regional accent. The general agreed approach is for the teacher to teach the children the phonemes as they would be pronounced in the local regional accent, so for example the Yorkshire teacher would teach the phoneme in 'bath' as /ɑː/ during phonics, but would use their own regional pronunciation in other teaching. Sometimes the difference is very significant - I worked with one teacher in England who had a strong Derry accent, so when teaching children a word like 'our' he would explicitly demonstrate the two pronunciations, 'I say x, you say y.'

Teachers with rhotic accents can be a godsend in phonics teaching in England!

Owt and nowt are widely used in Yorkshire. I don’t consider them ‘slang’ they are part of the local vocabulary.

I used them in the classroom for 30 years. Still got outstanding results. Still managed to get students into university.

What if a London parent had complained about my pronunciation of fast, last, up, but, cup, etc? Should I have been instructed to pronounce them like a Londoner?

Because we get deeply tired of anti-Irishness, and it's still alive and well, as frequently demonstrated on Mn threads to do with Irish names and Hiberno-English.

There is, for instance, no such thing as an 'Irish accent', any more than the late Queen shared an accent with Danny Dyer by virtue of them both being English.

A working-class, inner-city Dublin accent might pronounce 'birds' as 'boards', just as certain regional accents in England use 'th-fronting', ie pronouncing 'th' as 'f'.

However, like most people, I have enough contextual intelligence to know that if someone who speaks, say, Estuary English says 'I fink', he or she does not mean that they are strikebreakers or police informers.

It's really not that hard.

Yes, I guessed it was birds. I’m Irish and I don’t know anyone who pronounces birds as boards, but perhaps some accents do.

Often when I’m listening to an English accent on television ( BBC type accent) I pick up the meaning of the word from the context too. If a word is said in isolation (eg birds) I may not understand it. So that sort of thing does work both ways.

The BBC type English accent is not always a terribly easy accent to follow when you have a rhotic accent yourself. For example I only learned from MN that Shaun the sheep was meant to be a pun. That would never have occurred to me in a million years!😄

What?

No it's not. It's correct in some dialects and accents, not in others.