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Stick0rTwist · 2025-09-04T09:51:10+00:00

My daughter has just gone into Yr1 and is an articulate child, relatively smart with a love for reading. We moved her to a new school in the new year and have noticed since then she has started dropping her t’s when saying many of her words, like water, better, bottle, little etc. This gets corrected consistently at home as although we don’t speak the queens English (and are not snobbish by any stretch of the imagination) we would prefer her to speak properly and not get into bad habits speech wise. Over the summer holidays she was fine, but I’ve noticed in the two days she’s been back her speech has reverted back. So here’s the AIBU - would I be unreasonable to mention this to her teacher? Or would I sound like a massive snob 🙈 Sounds dramatic but it’s even making me want to move her school again as this was not a problem at her old school at all. Its been a direct result of moving school as it started the week we moved.

Bleachedlevis · 05/09/2025 18:12

Lingfield01 · 04/09/2025 10:56

YABU. You need to get out more.

Silly comment.

Carpedimum · 05/09/2025 17:58

This happened to me @Stick0rTwist so I was sent for elocution lessons which actually turned out to be a super hobby but also massively helped my confidence as a child and in mt teens. It has been incredibly useful as an adult. Public speaking skills, the ability to properly project my voice without shouting, reciting poems and prose (party trick) and a wealth of knowledge about literature beyond anything I learned in education.

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 23:03

@Dramatic , She referred to a group of teenagers, not to everyone in area.

Dramatic · 04/09/2025 22:49

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 22:47

teens from teesside are such underclass thickos
No one but you has used those words, @Dramatic .

That was the obvious undertone to her post. You can pretend otherwise if you like.

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 22:47

teens from teesside are such underclass thickos
No one but you has used those words, @Dramatic .

Dramatic · 04/09/2025 22:43

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 22:40

But you weren't there with that group of teenagers.

Oh yeah I've only lived and worked with kids and teens and grown up here, obviously teens from teesside are such underclass thickos that they have no idea where to put their tongue in their mouth to make a "t" sound 🙄

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 22:40

But you weren't there with that group of teenagers.

Dramatic · 04/09/2025 22:30

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 22:28

@Dramatic , are you calling @Gagagardener a liar? She was there, you weren't.

I live there 😂

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 22:28

@Dramatic , are you calling @Gagagardener a liar? She was there, you weren't.

Dramatic · 04/09/2025 22:16

Gagagardener · 04/09/2025 18:06

In 2011, I visited a primary school in the German-speaking area of Switzerland. Just as a British classroom might display a poster of the alphabet with the sounds each letter represents (A is for apple, etc), my Swiss colleague's classroom had posters that showed the position of tongue, lips and teeth needed to pronounce sounds. Children do not necessarily pick this up.

I can recall showing teenagers (on Teesside) how to put the tip of the tongue to the roof of the mouth, just behind the top teeth, to say 'water' and to touch it to the top teeth to pronounce the definite article as 'the'. I think they were touching their front teeth to the lower lip, giving 'v' instead.

How bloody ridiculous, of course they knew how to make the "t" sound in water, they just don't because in that dialect/accent the glottal stop is used.

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 21:12

AnPiscin · 04/09/2025 20:50

Aspirated 't' everywhere. Also very funny and MN relevant: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZJx-MoQI1CA

He's got several Ts going on there, and one of them was very close to a sh sound.

Yellowlife · 04/09/2025 21:06

AnPiscin · 04/09/2025 20:43

For your delectation, the beautiful Andrew Scott and Paul Mescal. If you listen to first few minutes you'll see that Andrew says 'Andrew Scosh' and Paul says 'Ideal first daysh' (date). It's not quite a 'sh' sound but it's hard to represent. It's one of the things that actors tend to get wrong when they're trying to put on an Irish accent. https://share.google/DhhaVEPPcUzgGBNiq

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Thank you 😀

Now I know what you mean exactly, I think I do that myself too! The way they say Scott and date sounds very normal to me. I don’t think sh represents the sound well at all (I know you said it didn’t).

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 21:03

@TheOtherAgentJohnson ,I'm not 'so educated', as you put it.
I went to school and went to university.

Either that or it's tediously performative incomprehension, that she imagines makes her look clever (rather than a pompous wazzock).
I'm not the only one who struggled with moe-sher. You are truly unpleasant.

cupfinalchaos · 04/09/2025 20:55

I remember thinking the same thing op. Ds spoke perfectly at his primary and secondary schools.. as soon as he left he spoke differently. I remember feeling sad!

AnPiscin · 04/09/2025 20:50

Aspirated 't' everywhere. Also very funny and MN relevant: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZJx-MoQI1CA

AnPiscin · 04/09/2025 20:47

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 20:46

@AnPiscin , he aspirates the T. He doesn't say Scosh.
Thanks for the link.

I've said a number of times that I know the sh doesn't represent the sound.

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 20:46

@AnPiscin , he aspirates the T. He doesn't say Scosh.
Thanks for the link.

AnPiscin · 04/09/2025 20:43

Yellowlife · 04/09/2025 20:09

I don’t really understand what you mean either by moe-sher @AnPiscin? I think it’s a feature of some Irish accents (eg D4 and Ross O’Carroll Kelly’s ‘Roysh here, Roysh now’). Definitely not all accents use the sound, though t does usually sound softer in Irish accents than in many English accents. I don’t say moe-sher for motor personally though, and I’m Irish. So it depends where you are.

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For your delectation, the beautiful Andrew Scott and Paul Mescal. If you listen to first few minutes you'll see that Andrew says 'Andrew Scosh' and Paul says 'Ideal first daysh' (date). It's not quite a 'sh' sound but it's hard to represent. It's one of the things that actors tend to get wrong when they're trying to put on an Irish accent. https://share.google/DhhaVEPPcUzgGBNiq

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&hl=en-US&num=8&client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=7550878c098e0420&q=paul+mescal+and+andrew+scott+interview&docid=PaMWXcQlVq24dM&ibp=video&shndl=41&shmd=H4sIAAAAAAAA_22QwU7CQBCGA0cewdMkJh4MFIMhERKDJWg1ICUsaDyZZTu0my67sDu11HjwcTz4BD6Vj-Bqoidvk3_-P_830_isNy7CyQTiK1gyYIt5OI0u5wxe4EYTWo0EQ1OtrUSdOK8y5FZkSqYZwUwKKiy6gywj2rp-u41a2GpLmLRopU-C1BEnKQJhNm254Sm6we7cb_rhNOlFgvVYJsej0wexPxOLXI9bse12dybhpenmj9c81k_x8LlaRnf3xXhSHrnjj9rIQGUKyLUpvwcL8pdz9cc5gJniFXBldAqlpOzH6YBsoaomhDqxWAIThgi4TmDGCwW36ARXAfzzjaYvAYcKBQFlyH2hgxEK3KzQQqejkwAiT-BvzZEceLYADkOlzHrpGFmuU5_Yv9Vea-_1L3qF4elzAQAA&shmds=v1_AdeF8Kic2Oe9MTPWiOOKT9wz6dt7ckvoZZoOvWaX9WQ7ERaJZA&source=sh/x/vid/m1/4&kgs=ff3c456b9c8c612c&utm_source=sh/x/vid/m1/4&ucbcb=1

FullLondonEye · 04/09/2025 20:38

Thursdayschild2025 · 04/09/2025 12:19

Projection. Your repeated infantile attempts at a burn reveal your utter rage at having been ridiculed repeatedly.

You are behaving exactly as a provincial, small minded fool behaves when their ignorance is revealed. It's to be expected. I am genuinely embarrassed for you.

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Well there are a number of people on the thread who agree with her so I think you're the one projecting here.

Yellowlife · 04/09/2025 20:09

I don’t really understand what you mean either by moe-sher @AnPiscin? I think it’s a feature of some Irish accents (eg D4 and Ross O’Carroll Kelly’s ‘Roysh here, Roysh now’). Definitely not all accents use the sound, though t does usually sound softer in Irish accents than in many English accents. I don’t say moe-sher for motor personally though, and I’m Irish. So it depends where you are.

CrostaDiPizza · 04/09/2025 18:45

@RubySquid , I think it's the way she's written it phonetically that doesn't work. If think the T is aspirated, not said as sh.

RubySquid · 04/09/2025 18:31

Differentforgirls · 04/09/2025 13:38

I think if you're from the UK, it's quite easy to understand the accents from all parts of the UK.

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I don't know, I struggle with Brummie accents

RubySquid · 04/09/2025 18:26

AnPiscin · 04/09/2025 12:19

I say 'moe - sher' for motor. Is that unclear enunciation?

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Does that even make sense? Why would there be a "sher" in motor?

TheOtherAgentJohnson · 04/09/2025 18:20

AncientHarpy · 04/09/2025 15:54

Because we get deeply tired of anti-Irishness, and it's still alive and well, as frequently demonstrated on Mn threads to do with Irish names and Hiberno-English.

There is, for instance, no such thing as an 'Irish accent', any more than the late Queen shared an accent with Danny Dyer by virtue of them both being English.

A working-class, inner-city Dublin accent might pronounce 'birds' as 'boards', just as certain regional accents in England use 'th-fronting', ie pronouncing 'th' as 'f'.

However, like most people, I have enough contextual intelligence to know that if someone who speaks, say, Estuary English says 'I fink', he or she does not mean that they are strikebreakers or police informers.

It's really not that hard.

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Exactly so.

@CrostaDiPizza must have a very small life if, despite being so educated (as indicated by her accent, apparently), she struggles this much to understand regional variations in pronunciation.

Either that or it's tediously performative incomprehension, that she imagines makes her look clever (rather than a pompous wazzock).

Gagagardener · 04/09/2025 18:06

In 2011, I visited a primary school in the German-speaking area of Switzerland. Just as a British classroom might display a poster of the alphabet with the sounds each letter represents (A is for apple, etc), my Swiss colleague's classroom had posters that showed the position of tongue, lips and teeth needed to pronounce sounds. Children do not necessarily pick this up.

I can recall showing teenagers (on Teesside) how to put the tip of the tongue to the roof of the mouth, just behind the top teeth, to say 'water' and to touch it to the top teeth to pronounce the definite article as 'the'. I think they were touching their front teeth to the lower lip, giving 'v' instead.