Dropping her T’s

Oh do pipe down, sweetie. Or don't, as you choose, because your attempts to be pompously condescending to mask your enraged fury are quite amusing :)

yes!

Oh my god... you sound insufferable 🤦🏼‍♀️

Absolutely spot on. I teach this to children in school.

Honestly giggled when I saw this post, especially when you said Midlands.

I'm from a Welsh borders town in the North of the Midlands. The T's in Butter, letter and water are silent letters.

I now live down south. My daughter and I have many many discussions over accents. There is no r in path, glass or bath. She is adamant that the T's in butter, letter and water are in fact not silent.

My nephews are growing up in the same town I was born in. They agree with me. My SIL was raised in London, she agrees with my daughter. Their family has similar Micky taking to myself and my daughter.

It really doesn't matter...other than Micky taking rights.

Okay, I’m not sure about the American usage. We do seem to have moved away from glottal stops 😅

I doubt it. I'm an editor too and my sharp-eyed american colleague would disagree with you.

Anyway, it is nothing to do with glottal stops.

@CrostaDiPizza Just to add, I think using the apostrophe in dates (1970’s) may still be considered standard in American English, but I’m not sure about that.

I learned to have a school and a home accent. Tell your dd to talk properly at home, and she can adopt whatever survival mechanism she needs at school.

I speak RP these days, but can still switch to saaf London in a jiffy.

I agree regarding 1970s and CDs. No apostrophes are needed or appropriate. Though I believe 1970’s was often written in the past, that is no longer regarded as standard.

I’m talking about situations where people need to write something like ‘dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s’. Including apostrophes means the phrase reads better than ‘dotting the is and crossing the ts’. Capitals aren’t really appropriate here as you don’t dot an uppercase letter i, or cross an uppercase letter t.

Some publications advise using ‘i’s, some use italics, but using an apostrophe in this situation is certainly not incorrect and some publications use that. There is no general rule in this situation as you seem to think, though publications use their own style guides of course. Clarity for the reader is the important thing.

Exactly this. I'll sound like the grammar police, but as a freelance editor and copywriter, I really get annoyed when people don't know the difference between these.

When someone writes "do's" or "don't's", I think it looks really odd with extra apostrophes 😳

Well it was done in my school. Speech and drama lessons and in trouble if caught using slang or dropping t etc even in the playground

@Yellowlife . Apostrophes indicate possession or contraction.
You can argue that some people find it acceptable.

1970's means belonging to 1970. It doesn't mean 1970-1979.
CD's mean belonging to the CD. The plural of CD is CDs not CD's.

@MasterBeth , You seem to be comparing a dialect with the standard language.

Given that language is for communication, if the scouser is communicating with someone who is not a scouser, the King's English is more correct.

No, that’s not a rule.

Liverpudlian English is no less correct than RP English. It's just different.

There is no English Language Police Department.

@Yellowlife, the rule is that they are not.

I know what apostrophes are used for! 😁
They are often used for plurals of individual letters (though this may vary depending on the publication in question).

They are not normally used for plurals of course, but this is an exception as an aid to the reader’s understanding.

@Kelly1969 , owt and nowt are dialect not slang.

@Yellowlife , it's ‘Mind your Ps and Qs’.
The meaning of M’s is clearer with the apostrophe, for example.
Apostrophes are for indicating possession or contraction. M's in that case is neither.
Look it up.

Don’t worry. Soon she’ll figure out that you have to speak differently at home than you do with your peers. Then you’ll be blissfully unaware that out of the house she drops t’s like they hot, bruv.

Half of the posts on this thread sound like they have been edited by an AI. So weird.

Oh do pipe down, dear. Your pompous condescending tone is intensely irritating.

A reminder, there's no such thing as "speaking properly"- and it's particularly crass and classless to try to force such comparisons between regional accents and dialects. At best, the original comment sounds like it was composed by Hyacinth Bucket, but with less self awareness and no desire to be useful. Poor old Hyacinth, doomed always to be a wannabe who wishes she had something to be snobbish about, sailing through life oblivious to the sniggering behind her back.

Parochial posturing is often seen in those who desperately want to scrabble up the social ladder, but it's one thing to be an uninformed tryhard, and it's quite another to double down when repeatedly educated on the topic.

The question naturally arises, is there an element of racism in this posturing?Certainly, there's not much going on intellectually or by way of self reflection in the ridiculous notion that your own personal dialectical quirks are more "proper" than others.

So, to sum up, attempting to belittle and devalue linguistic diversity and insisting that it is improper for others to speak differently to your own preferred subset of English language speakers makes Hyacinth sound foolish, unpleasant, possibly racist, not terribly bright and provincially ignorant.

Hope this helps :)

(I predict more frothing melt downs peppered with multitudinous emojis in an attempt to appear indifferent. I may or may not reply to any midwitted attempts to flame me later, as time permits).

The teacher has 30 kids to teach. I can 100% guarantee that they will not be remotely interested in children dropping their Ts.

We all alter our speech to a greater or lesser extent when talking to others. Your daughter is trying to fit in with her new friends. It would be irresponsible of you to try to interfere with this process as she might end up isolated.
It took my son approximately a week to lose his Yorkshire accent when we moved South.