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Dropping her T’s

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Stick0rTwist · 04/09/2025 10:51

My daughter has just gone into Yr1 and is an articulate child, relatively smart with a love for reading.

We moved her to a new school in the new year and have noticed since then she has started dropping her t’s when saying many of her words, like water, better, bottle, little etc.

This gets corrected consistently at home as although we don’t speak the queens English (and are not snobbish by any stretch of the imagination) we would prefer her to speak properly and not get into bad habits speech wise.

Over the summer holidays she was fine, but I’ve noticed in the two days she’s been back her speech has reverted back.

So here’s the AIBU - would I be unreasonable to mention this to her teacher? Or would I sound like a massive snob 🙈

Sounds dramatic but it’s even making me want to move her school again as this was not a problem at her old school at all. Its been a direct result of moving school as it started the week we moved.

OP posts:
PaxAeterna · 07/09/2025 13:52

CrostaDiPizza · 07/09/2025 11:52

@PaxAeterna You don’t understand the difference between grammar and pronunciation. I do.
My ideas aren't based on snobbery, and they are based on enunciation not pronunciation.

Look at the non-rhotic R in the RP accent that you admire so much. The dropping of Rs might sounds inarticulate or sloppy to the ear of those with other accents. .But it is not, it’s rules based itself and simply a different way of organising sounds.

Illegally18 · 07/09/2025 12:49

Illegally18 · 07/09/2025 12:49

'I've also worked in Paris in an office but with people from all over France and beyond and there was a lot of snobbery/sarcasm about accents.'

I agree, but not nearly to the same extent as in the U.

...the U.K.

Illegally18 · 07/09/2025 12:49

icedout · 07/09/2025 11:26

@HundredMilesAnHour If his south London accent was consistent, it would be fine but it isn't. That's what I meant by he rolls into it every now and then. I know people who are also born and raised in Tooting and they don't do this.

I've also worked in Paris in an office but with people from all over France and beyond and there was a lot of snobbery/sarcasm about accents.

'I've also worked in Paris in an office but with people from all over France and beyond and there was a lot of snobbery/sarcasm about accents.'

I agree, but not nearly to the same extent as in the U.

CrostaDiPizza · 07/09/2025 11:52

@PaxAeterna You don’t understand the difference between grammar and pronunciation. I do.
My ideas aren't based on snobbery, and they are based on enunciation not pronunciation.

PaxAeterna · 07/09/2025 11:46

CrostaDiPizza · 07/09/2025 11:29

@PaxAeterna , @MasterBeth , I didn't say anything about 'proper accent'. The King's English generally means correct usage and grammar.

Dropping t’s is feature of regional accents. You don’t understand the difference between grammar and pronunciation. Your ideas are based on snobbery basically rather than any linguistic knowledge.

CrostaDiPizza · 07/09/2025 11:30

@Spookygoose , it's also inarticulate.

CrostaDiPizza · 07/09/2025 11:29

@PaxAeterna , @MasterBeth , I didn't say anything about 'proper accent'. The King's English generally means correct usage and grammar.

icedout · 07/09/2025 11:26

HundredMilesAnHour · 04/09/2025 13:18

What’s wrong with his ‘sarf’ London accent? He was raised in Tooting. How is he expected to speak?

I speak French with a Parisian accent because I went to uni in Paris and then worked in Paris (with an office full of Parisians). To me I’m just speaking French.

@HundredMilesAnHour If his south London accent was consistent, it would be fine but it isn't. That's what I meant by he rolls into it every now and then. I know people who are also born and raised in Tooting and they don't do this.

I've also worked in Paris in an office but with people from all over France and beyond and there was a lot of snobbery/sarcasm about accents.

Spookygoose · 07/09/2025 11:16

Thursdayschild2025 · 06/09/2025 06:35

A reminder, there's no such thing as "speaking properly"- and it's particularly crass and classless to try to force such comparisons between regional accents and dialects. At best, the original comment sounds like it was composed by Hyacinth Bucket, but with less self awareness and no desire to be useful. Poor old Hyacinth, doomed always to be a wannabe who wishes she had something to be snobbish about, sailing through life oblivious to the sniggering behind her back.

Parochial posturing is often seen in those who desperately want to scrabble up the social ladder, but it's one thing to be an uninformed tryhard, and it's quite another to double down when repeatedly educated on the topic.

The question naturally arises, is there an element of racism in this posturing?Certainly, there's not much going on intellectually or by way of self reflection in the ridiculous notion that your own personal dialectical quirks are more "proper" than others.

So, to sum up, attempting to belittle and devalue linguistic diversity and insisting that it is improper for others to speak differently to your own preferred subset of English language speakers makes Hyacinth sound foolish, unpleasant, possibly racist, not terribly bright and provincially ignorant.

Hope this helps :)

(I predict more frothing melt downs peppered with multitudinous emojis in an attempt to appear indifferent. I may or may not reply to any midwitted attempts to flame me later, as time permits).

I think this is one of the most condescending posts I’ve ever read on MN! What a load of snobby, self-righteous waffle!!

MasterBeth · 07/09/2025 10:56

CrostaDiPizza · 06/09/2025 11:58

@MasterBeth , You seem to be comparing a dialect with the standard language.

Given that language is for communication, if the scouser is communicating with someone who is not a scouser, the King's English is more correct.

No more so than if the King is communicating to someone who is not a king.

What makes one type of English more correct than another?

Says who?

PaxAeterna · 07/09/2025 10:52

CrostaDiPizza · 07/09/2025 08:10

You are not correct, @Thursdayschild2025 . There is such a thing as speaking properly. It's not about accent, it's about communicating clearly.
BTW, your long and tedious post that @NorthenAdventure quoted contains errors.

There is no “proper accent”. All accents are governed by their own rules and are systematic. You are uneducated about language development.

PaxAeterna · 07/09/2025 10:40

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 02:42

It may impact spelling ability at this age though.

No it won’t. Accents affect pronunciation not the written word. The RP accent has a non-rhotic R for example which is quite different to other accents ….but i’m sure they all learn how to spell the same.

ToadRage · 07/09/2025 09:50

People pick up the accepts of people around them and there is little you can do about that. I picked up the t-dropping from my husband cos his mum is a Londoner and it drove my posh parents mad, but what annoyed them more was the rising inflection that I picked up from a pe teacher at my secondary school. They always corrected me but it's too well ingrained now. You can correct her at home all you want but if all her friends speak like that she will always slip back into that and for all you know maybe her teacher speaks like that.

CrostaDiPizza · 07/09/2025 08:10

You are not correct, @Thursdayschild2025 . There is such a thing as speaking properly. It's not about accent, it's about communicating clearly.
BTW, your long and tedious post that @NorthenAdventure quoted contains errors.

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 03:13

poetryandwine · 04/09/2025 12:17

Good news/bad news, OP:

A close relative also in the Midlands with a decidedly posh accent had the same dilemma with their two DC. They ignored it. One DC reverted to RP spontaneously at Oxbridge and the other when they themselves became a teacher.

In my home country, I spent early childhood in a region with some of its own grammatical constructs. There is no doubt they were technically wrong but even our teachers used them all the time. DM was from a different region, hated this, and tried to forbid us using them.

It just made me awkward and self conscious and reluctant to bring friends home when I could play more happily elsewhere. Is that what you want for DD?

I know what you mean. I consciously learnt how to speak with a New Zealand accent as I hated standing out at school.

Letsgoroundagainnow · 07/09/2025 03:11

I can only imagine the teachers laughing at your request.

Honestly, she’ll grow out of it.

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 03:00

AnPiscin · 04/09/2025 12:09

So as an Irish person, would I be required to pronounce words in an English accent or would my 'wrong' pronunciation be allowed?

They would be fine as that is their accent. Very different to speaking your own language poorly. Similar to how people get allowances when English is a second language.

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 02:53

Stick0rTwist · 04/09/2025 12:13

No, that’s their regional accent.

Dropping t’s is not part of mine or my husbands regional accent or the local area so that’s why we are correcting her.

I get that point. If you are Irish or French and speak differently no one is going to think less of you, they know that you are speaking with your own countries accent, but speaking your own language poorly is different.

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 02:46

MysticHalfWitch · 04/09/2025 11:49

I’d say leave it. I have a tendency to mimic accents (can’t help it, it’s horrific) and I started speaking ‘properly’ again when I left school. Both my kids voices change when they’re at school but I just inwardly cringe a little and let them get on with it. If it helps them to feel like they fit in, so be it.

Me too. If I'm speaking to an American I immediately go into an American accent. It's really weird because I can't normally do accents to save my life normally. I have to actually explain to them that I am not taking the mick. I just can't help it.

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 02:42

Somnambule · 04/09/2025 11:40

Just let her speak! We're allowed to have accents now, she's not going to be held back in life if she doesn't speak RP. You do sound very snobby I'm afraid.

It may impact spelling ability at this age though.

PaxAeterna · 07/09/2025 02:39

I’d be furious if a teacher starting correcting children’s accents in the class. Like WTF. No regional accent is “wrong”

Please don’t correct your small child’s speech either. It will dent their confidence. They will likely end up speaking like you. If it is so important to you, you need to move your child to a school where everyone speaks the accent you like.

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 02:37

Stick0rTwist · 04/09/2025 11:26

I grew up in the town she now goes to school in - it’s 100% not the regional dialect

Maybe she is getting it off a friend she is hanging out with.

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 02:36

Stick0rTwist · 04/09/2025 11:05

We’ve only moved about 6 miles away 🤷🏽‍♀️

I've heard one street away can make a difference in England. Lol

SweetnsourNZ · 07/09/2025 02:34

I spoke like this as a child and when we arrived in New Zealand when I was 7 a friend's mum used to pull me up for it. My friends thought it was funny how she was teaching an English girl to speak English. Funny enough my parents didn't speak like this so I must of picked it up from school.

Thursdayschild2025 · 07/09/2025 02:26

NorthenAdventure · 06/09/2025 20:23

Oh my god... you sound insufferable 🤦🏼‍♀️

Yes, I find it annoying when someone is completely correct and I have no comeback of any kind but wish I had. I find that shutting up at that point is best, but sorry you found the fact that I was completely correct so insufferable you couldn't help yourself.

Also, thank you for drawing attention to my post, I do hope people keep quoting me as I very much want my post to be easy to find, and preferably one of the last comments on the thread :)

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