AIBU to seek a consensus on who is a socially acceptable recipitent of Mounjaro?

I think it’ll be stuff like this thst pushes through private health care. We pay NI/ taxes and then can’t get timely treatment. It has to wait till your an emergency or at grave risk . I’m not using mounjaro but am waiting for treatment and it could be years just for an appointment. Or I’ll get sick enough that they have to treat me, the joys.

I think people get to the fuck it point at least if I pay for it myself I’ll actually get care but then the funding of nhs becomes contentious. Why should some people get millions of pounds worth of healthcare whilst some people die waiting? It seems inequitable. I do think there should be an option to buy off NHS with their chunky discount as part of a weight loss club type thing.

No both conditions deserve equal funding. Anorexia and mental health get sweet fa, and patients are being left to die. They have no option but to get well. I think we pander to obesity far too much. This demographic gets vast sums of money spent on them in the most expensive areas of the NHS due to their behaviours already.

It’s not fair and it most certainly isn’t ok to demand even more.

Oh come on. It was so clear from the OP that she is pro MJ.

Because people don't actually do that, and it's pointless making healthcare policy for the population you want rather than the one you have.

I accept that the NHS is currently constrained by logistics, albeit that's easy for me to say as someone who can easily enough afford mine. There are so many people for whom WLI will be the best option and not everyone can necessarily be helped at once, even when there's good reason to expect WLI now to save money in the long term. But these are arguments about practicalities. We already know that saying eat less junk to people is not going to tackle societal obesity.

One could argue that anorexia is also self inflicted.

Surely it’s just a case of eat more, move less, exercise a bit of willpower to eat more, educate yourself on proper nutrition. I mean, how stupid is that, to starve yourself and then expect the NHS to pick up the pieces.

Much like obesity. Just eat less, move more, exercise a bit of willpower, educate yourself on proper nutrition. I mean, how stupid is that, to make yourself obese and then expect the NHS to pick up the pieces.

Obviously I don’t actually think that, because I’m not an arsehole and those two conditions are way more complex than that, usually rooted in some very deep stuff - stuff that if one doesn’t have personal experience of, one is unable to comprehend. I wouldn’t expect them to, either.

Both conditions deserve much more empathy and respect.

So here's the sneering judgement. Or maybe you say that about all the life long medications people have to be on?

I'd be really keen to see two numbers: the cost of Mounjaro for all adults with a BMI over 30 or 27 with co-morbidity annually; and the cost of treating all weight-related conditions inc type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, knee/joint issues etc, annually. I'd be very surprised if the first is more expensive than the second. Prevention is surely better than cure.

Unfortunately, some of them will insist on seeking out the WLI forum to inflict their ramblings on us.

Personally I find it amusing and a little validating actually, but other obese people struggle with societal stigma and are affected by people being twats.

And that no diet works. Yes it does.

Other people are going through agony getting well with precious little from the NHS.

NICE recommend a lot of things that the NHS can’t afford. If those that are obese want the jabs they need to pay for them themselves. They’re already getting their fair share of NHS funding.

I just don't get it. Eating less shit food, no matter how hard it is = less calories.
Why should limited nhs money be spent on something that could easily be addressed by people eating less junk?

Absolutely this. I don’t care. But I do know that if I needed a drug I couldn’t access via the NHS, I would find a way to pay for it. I’m tired of people complaining they won’t be prescribed it.

Why? NICE have approved it for people with type 2 diabetes. I have type 2 diabetes. NHS won’t provide it for me, I’d have to go through a couple of years of their “weightloss service” first. This involves me going weekly to see a nurse, attending a Weightloss group, and being handed a load of leaflets about exercise and diet. The waiting list is currently 6 months. I have struggled with weight loss since I hit menopause and have been actively trying to lose weight with little success. If it was as simple as reading a few leaflets and being weighed once a week, I’d have done it by now. In order to manage my diabetes I have regular check ups with the GP practice, along with annual and biannual checks of eyes and feet. The cost of all this far exceeds the cost of the medication. In fact, after 12 weeks I have lost a stone and latest bloods show I am not in the type 2 range any more. £600 quid and my diabetes has gone. I’m not annoyed I had to pay for it, but I am annoyed that the NHS is penny pinching with these drugs when overall it will save them so much money in the long run.

Ah the abuse of people who don’t agree with one demographic of people being enabled to hoover up a huge percentage of NHS money to the detriment of everybody else.

I dont hate anybody let alone hate somebody for the size of their body. What I do have a problem with is the sense of entitlement some of this demographic has- that they are more worthy, that the NHS needs to prioritise them and everybody else can make do with the crumbs that are left.

I don't see why 'socially acceptable' is remotely relevant. Medically acceptable is surely the only thing that matters? I'd be nervous about using the injections myself, but it's no skin off my nose if other people do. The best of luck to them, genuinely!

Some people are just shitty and hate fat people, and think they should suffer greatly to become acceptable.

These people don’t understand and don’t have the bandwidth to understand. They simply don’t care that obesity is still a mystery to many drs, and one day the medical community will have a better grasp on what actually causes it. The shitbags will say it’s just lazy people eating to much, but I’ve yet to meet a morbidly obese person who doesn’t have deep seated psychological issues at the root of it.

Seeing and hearing those with their ill informed opinions is a useful filter. I don’t want to be friends with someone who bases their opinions on disliking a group of people because they’re fat.

People above the BMI threshold who don’t have medical/ pharmaceutical contraindications.

Most people truly don't care. And you should care less about what other people think. Worry about yourself.
But we all need to remember that the NHS can't be everything for everyone.

What you spend your own money on is your business. As far as the nhs funding it, it should be fully funded for those with medical conditions aside from their weight and only for weight as part of a wider lifestyle plan where they are morbidly obese and need a kick start, we cannot be funding these drugs without the commitment to lifestyle changes

Because they’re not self induced.

Obesity is what is crippling the NHS and it’s self induced.

This! I’ve been self-funding MJ for 3 months and am demonstrably healthier for it. My sister and my best friend are the only people who know I’m using it. My sister said it’s cheaper than braces, which was the catalyst for her own weight loss as she couldn’t physically eat the crap.

I also don’t bang on about being naughty, sinning, having a shit to get my silver bloody seven.

The ignorance with your OP is huge.

This is what happens with anorexia.

A 13 year old starts restricting , parents go to CAMHs who can’t take them on because the wait lists are huge. Parents are sent away with a meal plan and left to it.

The Anorexia then gets entrenched as once a brain is staved it’s hard to turn things around.

Parents go back to CAMHS who then take the child on. Parents are told they are the treatment and have to make their child eat. They have to do all the treatment and support all meals, ditto schools with no extra funding.

Child deteriorates further. Family therapy starts. It’s once a week for an hour.

Child then becomes so unwell she’s hospitalised
on the local paed ward.By this time the Anorexia is entrenched even further.

CAMHs look to see if they can get inpatient care. There are no beds in the whole of the country due to lack of funding.

Child shuffles in and out of paed ward with no specialised treatment and has to be force fed. Trauma develops. The anorexia becomes even more entrenched, for many irreversible.

Eventually said child turns into an adult. If they’re lucky they’ll become so ill they’ll get one of the few inpatients beds available or specialised care but the wait lists are huge, some trusts now only offer palliative care for the sickest .

Now you tell me why parents of children who are being subjected to this don’t have a right to be livid when the obesity demographic following the hoovering up of huge amounts of NHS funding get even more NHS funding and the latest treatments?

Op you clearly have s as n agenda! It’s not idle musings off the back of other threads or media comments!!

everyone taking it couldn’t give a toss what people think!

all the arguing is between people not taking it! 😂 crack on!