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Ex partner handing care of our daughter over to her mother and I'm not happy about it.

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Neil90 · 03/09/2025 13:23

I apologise that this is long but I'm a dad in need of some advice from anyone who's been through similar or knows how it works.

I have an 8 year old daughter with my ex partner, we share custody 50/50 this was mutually agreed 7 years ago when we split.

Fine relationship we get along fine and never usually have any disagreements about our daughter

Last week ex decided to start doing overnight care work so she stays in the client's home all night with them and due to this has decided to give our daughter to her mother to care for whilst its her time, I've told her im not happy with this and that if she is not able to or does not wish to care for our daughter then she is to come to me full time, her mother is a nice lady but chain smokes in her flat, its a tiny one bedroom cluttered flat in a rough area and im not happy with my daughter living there 50% of the time.

The main issues I've pointed out to ex are

I'm not happy with her being stuck in a small flat with someone who chain smokes, there are health problems linked to excessive second hand smoke.

The condition of the flat, its messy and cluttered and generally not in great condition.

Daughter does not have a bedroom in the flat, she's sleeping on the sofa whilst keeping her clothes in a duffle bag, i seen my daughter yesterday and she stinks of smoke.

There is some young lads who have a flat on her street, little thugs who are in all sorts of trouble but the real issue is that they have two big alligators that run loose on the street with no control whatsoever, I'm sick with the thought of one of them getting my daughter because she wouldn't stand a chance against them.

I'm also just not happy that she's going to be raised by a grandparent half the time whilst she has a loving family here that can take care of her.

I'm married with a step child who is 9, my daughter gets on great with her step mum and step sister so no problems in that area, she has a lovely room here all to herself and a garden full of toys etc, she's able to ride her bike and be a child whilst here but when she's with her grandma she's stuck in a tiny one bed flat and can't go outside due to rough people on the street and the dogs.

My ex is refusing to let me have our daughter full time as she feels like she won't be a parent if I have her all the time, I'm more than happy for her to see daughter whenever she wishes with absolutely no restrictions, she's welcome in my home, welcome to take daughter whenever she likes and call whenever she likes, have her when she's off work and holidays but she's standing firm and refusing this.

We've never been to court over daughter before as we've always had a fine relationship and put her first but im thinking court will be my only option. Does anyone with experience of this know how it would go? Is it likely to go in my favour?

I'm worried because I have autism, high functioning autism but a good lawyer could easily make me fold under pressure in court, i own my own home and business, im a good dad and husband and my daughter has never came in to danger or anything like that in my care but a lawyer would have nothing else to use against me apart form my autism and I would 100% get overwhelmed in court under the pressure.

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SalonDesRefuses · 03/09/2025 16:22

@Neil90 you've had to explain yourself over and over!

I do not believe people would have such a problem if you were the Mum.

Your DD has 2 parents, only one of which is looking after her.

The ex already doesn't have her DD at all so it's probably your money she wants to keep, and I agree you should stop sending it as it's purpose was so she could have the same lifestyle at both houses and she clearly does not.

I cannot believe people are sticking up for the Mum over an innocent 8 year old child been stuck inhaling second hand smoke and sleeping on a sofa and not a bed!! WTF.

This child has no bed. This child isn;t happy staying there 50% of the time. The mum happily takes the benefits of being a 'single parent', along with OPs money, but is only visiting her.

Maybe some of you should look at why you hate men so much...or perhaps it's because you also make your young kids sleep on a sofa and inhale your smoke.

Absolute craziness on here sometimes.

silkypyjamas · 03/09/2025 16:19

MoFadaCromulent · 03/09/2025 14:07

Why would he pay maintenance at 50/50.

More logical issue is the mum is shoving her daughter in a smoke filled flat to the child's detriment without a bed because she doesn't want to pay maintenance

Because some fathers are men who want to provide more for their children if they are higher earners than the other parent. I think its very refreshing to hear!

pontipinemum · 03/09/2025 16:15

Your DD should be with you. I am of course speculating but I would think that her mum offloading her on granny for her week is going to make her feel pretty shit - even if she doesn't realise it.

It will be important for your DD to know her mum does love her, but that her living with you full time just makes more sense right now. No one is trying to get rid of her (Even if it sounds like mum is)

signed - a girl who was posted around

Zero2ten · 03/09/2025 16:12

This doesn’t sound good for your daughter at all. You know that. An 8 yr old shouldn’t be stuck in a smokey living room couch when there is a better option.

Keep any messages from ex stating that dd is no longer going to be at her house but always at her gran’s for her 50% and use the £1k a month you were paying ex to engage with a solicitor instead

Saladbrains · 03/09/2025 16:10

Neil90 · 03/09/2025 13:40

@ForMerryMauveDreamernothing solid in writing, a few texts but nothing that would be any good.

Texts are admissible within the Family Court

Kreepture · 03/09/2025 16:04

ftr, i've reported some of the shockingly obnoxious behaviour on the thread.

Definitely 'not in the spirit' of the supportive environment this is meant to be.

There's a few posters who ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves.

WaltzingWaters · 03/09/2025 15:59

ScrollingLeaves · 03/09/2025 14:55

A sofa for an 8 year old girl is as much a bed as many dinky child beds sold.

It really isn’t. Especially a filthy smoked filled sofa. Maybe okay for a night or two in an emergency, but certainly not for 50% of the time.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 03/09/2025 15:58

YouMightThinkThat · 03/09/2025 13:41

Answer the alligator questions OP. You seem to be able to address other queries ffs

Oh come on. It's obvious 🙄

WalkDontWalk · 03/09/2025 15:57

As ever, if this was a mum saying that the dad was palming off the daughter on the grandmother pretty much fulltime, we'd all be saying he was bang out of order.

AliceMaforethought · 03/09/2025 15:54

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Hear hear. I get so tired of people derailing threads because of 'hilarious' typos. I sometimes think people on here are a bit mentally challenged. Some of them certainly seem exceptionally easily amused.

CunningLinguist2 · 03/09/2025 15:52

Neil90 · 03/09/2025 14:34

I understand this is mainly for mothers but im a desperate dad just trying to get my daughter out if a shit situation, i seen her yesterday and she was so upset as she hates living in the filthy flat with no bed or room. I thought mothers would be kind and want to offer help (I know some have) but the fact ahy so many are simply taking mums side or laughing about alligators is disappointing, I'd be torn apart as a dad if I pissed off and left my daughter in a shitty dirty flat with no room etc all whilst expecting my ex to pay me £250pw

I think you sounds like a good parent with legitimate concerns. I would seek the advice of a family law lawyer as the mother no longer has your daughter staying with her at all, and your daughter will be spending 50% of the time in a flat with no room of her own or a proper bed. That sounds unsustainable, and not in her best interests at all.
Could the mother do her "occassional visits" at your place if you had your daughter fulltime? Are you on friendly enough terms for that?

(And I dare say that if it was the mother posting a similar scenario where the father handed over care of the child to his parent for all of his 50%, the sexist comments would not feature at all in the same way).

Also: LOVE the autocorrect to "alligators" - happens to the best of us, but at least it was a great one!

Kreepture · 03/09/2025 15:51

If there is not formal court arrangement, i would refuse to give her back, and i would contact Social Services and report exactly why.

make sure you have in writing, evidence of the fact the child is now living with her grandmother in her mothers 50% residence time.

JediNinja · 03/09/2025 15:49

So sorry to hear you are going through this. You seem to have your DD's wellbeing at the top of the priority list. Ignore posters baiting you, they might have their own bone to chew.

I'd contact a lawyer and get some information. Since money is not an issue, you could just have a consultation to know your options and take it from there. At the very least, you'll be able to speak with your ex fully informed.

I was partially raised by grandparents and it has left me scarred. They were lovely but the feeling of parental abandonment has impacted my adult life more than I realised. Parents visited here and there but I never fully understood why I wasn't living with them in my early years. Unless your ex is also moving to her mother's, it will be hurtful for your DD to see her mum visit and then leave for what used to be their home.

There's more to this that you don't know. Maybe ex is saving for a bigger purchase, went into debt, wants to rent part of the house, have surgery, etc. She's definitely taking your contribution for granted and as a permanent arrangement. Your DD is not going to see much of that nevertheless if food, sleep and general entertainment is going to be provided by the grandmother anyway. I'd contact a lawyer and stop payments. I don't know the law well enough but I would assume that there are accomodations in place for neurodivergent people. Don't let that stop you from enquiring, they can also put your mind at ease with that.

femfemlicious · 03/09/2025 15:48

Neil90 · 03/09/2025 14:01

@Coconutter24i don't think she would be worried about maintenance, i actually pay her £250pw purely out of choice as I don't have to do this and im sure she knows I'd never ask her for money, I've still sent over this week's payment.

Stop sending the money till this is solved. You need to play hardball.

Blueskiesandrainbows · 03/09/2025 15:47

You’ve had some horrible posts on here OP but I guess you expected that … it is Mumsnet and there are some very vindictive posters on here towards men.
I hope you’ve received helpful advice too and that things works out for you and your daughter.
I can’t believe that almost ten pages in and people are still whingeing on about your obvious auto correct for Alsatian’s.

aCatCalledFawkes · 03/09/2025 15:45

CautiousLurker01 · 03/09/2025 15:34

True - but courts will divide custody between parents. Grandparents do not have rights when it comes to children. If mother has relinquished 100% of her custody to the grandmother (I am going to guess it is as other PPs suggest, and she has an new BF who does not want her child in the home), then the father is highly likely to be allocated full custody not least because it is in the interests of the child to have a single stable home, with a bed/bedroom over being dumped at a grandparent’s on the sofa.

He should go to court and unless mum is proving that the money he provides is being given to the grandmother for the child’s care, he’s within his rights to stop making the payment - after all, it’s not being spent on his child as far as he knows, is it?

TBH, I would probably start the process immediately with a call to social services and an emergency/temporary court order so that he can refuse to hand the child back to the grandmother who, I repeat, has no rights in law to have her back.

There is no such thing as custody plus finances and contact are kept separate from each other, finacces won't be brought in to it at all for residency cases and arrangement orders. The Mum also still has PR, highly unlikely he would get 7 nights and that that she wouldn't accept nights at her home on her nights off in front of a judge. Have you been through court at all? It takes ages to get though and a lot can change over the months it takes.

Ladamesansmerci · 03/09/2025 15:45

I'm perplexed by people defending this. There is an 8 year old girl who is now living between 3 spaces, one of which she does not even have her own bedroom or space to store her toys. It gives her no sense of home or permanency. It's not in her best interests. One night on the sofa is fine, 50% of the time is not. It's not about whether it's comfortable. It's about a child feeling secure in their surroundings.

Also do people really want their child inhaling second hand smoke 50% of the time???

SunnyViper · 03/09/2025 15:44

IBEAN · 03/09/2025 14:12

I see a different side to you in this reply, not the supplicant any more. Again, why can't you just pay her and also let your daughter stay an extra couple of nights with you, especially as it is possibly only temporary. I think mediation is needed here, there are clearly two sides to this story.

What are you on about? The OPs partner will come out of this much worse if a formal route is pursued as she isn’t entitled to anything. Money grabbing women piss me off.

redjeans28 · 03/09/2025 15:43

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The only aggressive one is you. Solicitor my arse.

nomas · 03/09/2025 15:43

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 03/09/2025 15:25

I think people have also missed that the OP has said he has autism so might well come across abrupt without meaning to.

True, but I think OP is being quite restrained, I would have lost my patience with some of these posters ages ago.

Sahara123 · 03/09/2025 15:42

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 03/09/2025 13:29

I think Alligators is an autocorrect for Alsations.

I kind of really hope it’s alligators….

Rosscameasdoody · 03/09/2025 15:40

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 03/09/2025 15:40

😂

Oh l wish l’d said that !! 😂

Rosscameasdoody · 03/09/2025 15:40

B0D · 03/09/2025 15:38

She needs toe explain why grandmother can’t sit with the child at home

But that would entail grandmother living permanently at the mothers’ house. If mum is working night shifts she will be sleeping during the day, so it doesn’t sound as though she is providing much, if any care at all.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 03/09/2025 15:40

Millytante · 03/09/2025 15:34

No need to snap

😂

Millytante · 03/09/2025 15:39

Lightuptheroom · 03/09/2025 13:35

This would be viewed in court as your ex making childcare provision during her time, which just happens to be overnight.
One suggestion would be for grandparent to look after child in child's own home. It also needs to be considered can the 50/50 actual days/nights be changed around to accommodate mums shifts better or is she doing full time nights ? So for example daughter has her 50% with you when mum is working and mums 50% is when mum isn't working. I can understand mum not wanting to have daughter living with you full time with her visiting because that's not the arrangement she has now and would become very restrictive very quickly.

Sounds more like the mother has handed over her rôle as parent to her own mother, if the child is living at her grandma’s full time.
Surely OP’s autism wouldn’t trump that development, in the view of a court….would it?

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