To be worried about emigration

I feel wages are low, stagnant, and taxes are too high for what we get in return. I wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes or this level of tax if services were better. Quality of life in the UK is ok, but it could be a lot better.

It's unlikely to get better for some time. We have low growth, lack of investment & an ageing population so high taxes are inevitable despite what Reform says.

In my opinion, emigration of skilled workers creates and exacerbates skills gaps in this country. It also reduces the volume of net contributors therefore it could have some impact on the economy. The UK needs more net contributors and skilled workers.

This is true

We are also considering emigrating and both myself and DH are British Citizens. I feel wages are low, stagnant, and taxes are too high for what we get in return. I wouldn’t mind paying higher taxes or this level of tax if services were better. Quality of life in the UK is ok, but it could be a lot better. Our high streets are deprived and littered with charity shops, takeaways and vape shops. There are also a lot of drunk and disorderly people on drugs. Our local park is ok, but at times very unkempt. Train prices into London are extortionate. Food and energy is high.

In my opinion, emigration of skilled workers creates and exacerbates skills gaps in this country. It also reduces the volume of net contributors therefore it could have some impact on the economy. The UK needs more net contributors and skilled workers.

My friend is looking to emigrate from Australia because he thinks it is in terminal decline. ‘Practically a communist state’.

Voters in this country simply can’t understand the connection between public services and taxes - they want everything for nothing which is part of the reason why the country feels shit.

Yes & rather than acknowledge this they blame others.

The demographics are a huge problem because we can't afford the NHS in its current form & the state pension. More younger people moving abroad exacerbates that.

I don't think it's anything to worry about, after recessions comes growth and change which is a good thing of you can ride the storm.

We never recovered from 08 & haven't had much growth since.

It doesn’t matter if previous generations try and tell them about 12% interest rates on mortgages, or about winter of discontent, everyone wants to look clever on their house purchase and drive new cars.

The high interest rates of today aren't that dissimilar to the highs of the past in terms of impact on incomes because mortgages are much bigger.

If you have the means particularly if young why would you not move? We aren't that competitive any more, salaries are low & COL is high.

Yes and the Tories did so well with it didn’t they? 🙄 FFS

Voters in this country simply can’t understand the connection between public services and taxes - they want everything for nothing which is part of the reason why the country feels shit. My dh works closely with Scandinavian countries and they get that high taxes mean good services. We’re too fucking selfish here.

Yet when Liz Truss dramatically reduced tax the economy crashed and she was forced to resign after only a few weeks. Even traders didn’t think it was a good idea.

I agree with the other posters that the financial instability accelerated after Brexit and is difficult for any government to manage but the voters who chose Brexit all knew best didn’t they?

Part of the problem is the Tories vs Labour war. Once people start thinking and leaving old cliches behind. The situation will be less toxic but I do not see it happening. Reform is making sure they take advantage of it.

I think the biggest issue is the cycle of negativity that’s being perpetuated by the media. Everything is doom and gloom. The entire narrative is that the economy is shit, COL is shit, benefit users are shit, asylum seekers are shit, the nhs is shit, the education system is shit, MH has gone to shit etc etc.
I really don’t think everything is as bad as the media would have us believe.

I think strictly speaking the tories make sure to hand over the reins only when things have already gone wrong

and I suspect that people from many minorities are feeling threatened by the far right wing which doesn’t tend to include that many labour supporters

people have always moved around and global circumstances are pretty “interesting “ now - look to France as an example close to home

Debt is rising that’s the problem for Labour, and the rest of us.

Good for you. Getting your DC an Irish passport means giving them the option to be in Europe for education and work. Also makes it pretty easy to go to Canada and Australia

It wasn’t Labournwhoncrashed the economy though, was it? It was the fuckwit Tories. Along with Brexit.

I think that's fair. I'm Irish, and grew up in the severe recession of the 80s and early 90s. Almost one fifth of the country's workforce was unemployed. Virtually my entire cohort emigrated straight from school or university, having all spent the summers working abroad from as early as we were able to get a sense of the lie of the land. I've lived longterm in five countries. Obviously things changed, and Ireland became a far more prosperous place, began to attract international immigration, and some of us returned (though DH, UK-born DS and I finally left the UK after many years because it became, in the immediate aftermath of Brexit, a suddenly more unpleasant place to be Irish, so your highly skilled Indian neighbours may not only have economic motives for leaving...)

What I'm saying is that England in particular is unused to seeing significant outward migration of its own citizens. You'll get used to it. It's just a part in a cycle. Times will get better again.

Yes my dh encourages his junior docs to emigrate. He’s an immigrant himself and feels increasingly unwelcome and uncomfortable here now. I’m getting my Irish passport and then one for my ds. This Country is fast losing the plot.

Labour Governments ALWAYS crash the economy. Every single one.

The tax burden is way too high and is stifling growth but they are politically incapable of cutting spending (or even slowing the rate of increase). I will be preparing DS for a move abroad. No point in working hard here for the Government to confiscate everything.

We will definitely be encouraging our children to use their freedom to work and study abroad when they’re older.

It’s not entirely friendly towards none British born at the moment, is it?
I’m not English, nor is DP so we have 2nd passports and options to live in Europe/North America/ Oz. It’s always a consideration even though I’ve been here 30 years and DP 20 years, professionals with British born kids.
were white though, so that deffo helps us on the ‘ go back to where you came from’ front from randoms.

Yes I think people are glossing over that.

yanbu op I’m glad we have options for dc

I’d encourage anyone young and upwardly mobile to get out. Young people at my firm are asking for transfers overseas all the time. May still go for it myself.