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Perspective on BIL GF please

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Unc · 01/09/2025 13:00

I have no idea on this at all so would appreciate some perspective. On the one hand I admire her principles, on the other it seems mean and slightly like blackmail.

My BIL gave up employment a few years ago to run his own business. In the main it does well, but is going through a lean time at the moment and he is starting to make noises about needing his mum (MIL) to help tide him over until the next set of invoices are paid.

He's been with his GF for 2 years. They usually live pretty well with meals out and things. Because of the lean times they have both been cutting back. She earns 6 figures and as a result is saving even more money than she usually does. BIL has indicated that she saves several thousand each month. She isn't flashy at all and the salary comes with the job as it were, rather than her wanting to earn loads to sustain her lifestyle.

Over a few glasses of wine at the weekend I asked why she wasn't helping her partner out and instead expecting MIL to step in. She said that he can have access to whatever money the want if they get married. But she wont support him until then, even as a loan. I asked if she would actually marry him and she said she'd marry him tomorrow if he asked, but he doesn't want to get married.

So this is where I am struggling - I don't think my MIL you have to support him rather than his partner. She enjoys a nice lifestyle with him normally, and it seems bloody minded to go without because he is going through a tough few months. Equally she shouldn't have to support someone if she doesn't want to.

OP posts:
WaltzingWaters · 01/09/2025 13:20

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

You go from BF/GF when you’re committed enough to marry them. HE isn’t. Therefore, he doesn’t get access to his GF’s money.

Sounds as though he usually overspends though if he doesn’t have savings saved up to help him out during tougher points in the business. It shouldn’t be that MIL needs to bail him out, it should be that he gets extra work to support himself whilst his business has a rough patch.

FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 13:18

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:17

It just seems baffling, to work as hard as she does to earn money that she is not happy to spend. She's now putting thousands into savings rather than dropping £30 to cover his share of a dinner that she really enjoys. Instead she'll sit at home with him.

Like I said, I can't get my head around who's wrong and who is right here.

97% of people who have voted don’t find her behaviour baffling at all. Perhaps try to take more of a step back and be objective about this.

Charabanc · 01/09/2025 13:18

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

Then the conversation you need to have is with your brother-in-law. (Or your husband.) His girlfriend isn't, and shouldn't be, his meal ticket.

Thundertoast · 01/09/2025 13:18

If you had a daughter, OP, and this situation was happening to her, and she was offering to bail him out, are you saying that the first words out of your mouth would not be
'have you made sure that you've got something legal set up so that you will get the money back?'
And/or 'are you sure that's a good idea, why can't he get a business loan or a second job?'
Very curious to know your answer!

MageQueen · 01/09/2025 13:18

There are two completely separate issues here:

Issue 1: BIL's GF IS being supportive - instead of heading out to do expensive things without him, she's agreeing to cheaper, smaller, less regular activities to meet his current financial situation. She is 100% right to refuse to give or loan him money. Particularly as it sounds liek she would like to get married but he doesn't want to - so why on earth should he get the financial benefits of marriage to a wealthy women when she's not getting any of the benefits SHE wants from marriage?

Issue 2: Your BIL appears to be comfortable with being supported by other family members. As a once off, that seems reasonable. More worrying would be if this is a regular thing.

nomas · 01/09/2025 13:18

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:17

It just seems baffling, to work as hard as she does to earn money that she is not happy to spend. She's now putting thousands into savings rather than dropping £30 to cover his share of a dinner that she really enjoys. Instead she'll sit at home with him.

Like I said, I can't get my head around who's wrong and who is right here.

Has it affected your social life with BIL and GF? Do they no longer go out with anyone, including you and DH?

Fayaway · 01/09/2025 13:18

I like her!

FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 13:18

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

Your MIL could say no. Your BIL’s finances are his concern and given he won’t marry or commit in a way his girlfriend wants him to, they certainly aren’t her concern either.

Given your BIL and his girlfriend want different things in the future, it means they don’t have a long term future together. So why should she waste her money and savings on him, because she can’t guarantee she will get it back.

Diarygirlqueen · 01/09/2025 13:17

I think you should be keeping your nose out of both situations, the gf and bil and the mil and bil.
Not one of them is to do with you.

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:17

theemmadilemma · 01/09/2025 13:13

She's a smart young women who will go far.

Why would she spend MORE sustaining a lifestyle he can no longer contribute 50% towards?

It just seems baffling, to work as hard as she does to earn money that she is not happy to spend. She's now putting thousands into savings rather than dropping £30 to cover his share of a dinner that she really enjoys. Instead she'll sit at home with him.

Like I said, I can't get my head around who's wrong and who is right here.

OP posts:
nomas · 01/09/2025 13:16

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

Why do you see it as the GF taking advantage of your MIL than your BIL taking advantage of your MIL?

Why should she step up for someone who doesn't see a future with her?

YouMightThinkThat · 01/09/2025 13:16

It seems 'a little cold' to you? You're vastly outnumbered here and that should make you sit up and think. To me she sounds eminently sensible and a good lesson in not throwing money at a presumably lost cause in the name of lurrrrve.

samplesalequeen · 01/09/2025 13:16

She sounds like my kinda gal!

good on her.

FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 13:15

I say good for her. He won’t commit to her so why should she consider him anything other than something casual, and most people wouldn’t bail a casual fling out with a significant financial sum.

LimbOnTheBranchBranchOnTheTreeTheTreeInTheBog · 01/09/2025 13:15

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

It's not cold.

She has set out the conditions of being financial partners.

He hasn't accepted them.

He's made his choice. Why is she being blamed?

SoScarletItWas · 01/09/2025 13:15

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

This sounds like absolutely nothing to do with you.

What BIL asks his mother for is not your concern. It is even less of a concern of the GF. Are you saying GF should become ‘the family bank’ in this situation?

BIL needs a stable income.

theemmadilemma · 01/09/2025 13:14

ForeverPombear · 01/09/2025 13:13

She's told you the stage - when they are married.

Right, pretty clear and fucking fair to me.

ForeverPombear · 01/09/2025 13:13

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

She's told you the stage - when they are married.

theemmadilemma · 01/09/2025 13:13

She's a smart young women who will go far.

Why would she spend MORE sustaining a lifestyle he can no longer contribute 50% towards?

heroinechic · 01/09/2025 13:13

No one has to support your BIL. If his business isn’t going well, he needs to either take out a loan to cover it or give it up.

She is being sensible by keeping their money and assets separate until/unless they marry. If he doesn’t want to marry her then he doesn’t get to indulge in the security that marriage brings.

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

nomas · 01/09/2025 13:07

I can't believe you dared to ask her. It's none of your business and she was within her rights to tell you to get lost.

They are not married and she is smart not to bankroll him. She would be even smarter to refuse to marry him until he is solvent.

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

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Ratisshortforratthew · 01/09/2025 13:12

She’s damn right! In her situation I’d be telling my partner to get a second job rather than running to mummy.

Sorehandsandfeet · 01/09/2025 13:08

Why should either of these women have to support him? He should be looking for a job to support himself. The girlfriend has no responsibility here and has the right idea. If they were married, she'd support him but they are not. He is not her responsibility no matter how well off she is and your MIL is not responsible for bailing her adult son out either

nomas · 01/09/2025 13:08

GrannyGoggles · 01/09/2025 13:07

I think she may have her head screwed on well. She may, on the other hand, be calculating and manipulative.

BIL not so sure about. Is he a fantasist? Immature? Grafting hard to build something worthwhile and sustainable?

Why is she calculating and manipulative? Because she's a successful woman?

Noelshighflyingturds · 01/09/2025 13:07

She sounds like a very smart woman