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Perspective on BIL GF please

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Unc · 01/09/2025 13:00

I have no idea on this at all so would appreciate some perspective. On the one hand I admire her principles, on the other it seems mean and slightly like blackmail.

My BIL gave up employment a few years ago to run his own business. In the main it does well, but is going through a lean time at the moment and he is starting to make noises about needing his mum (MIL) to help tide him over until the next set of invoices are paid.

He's been with his GF for 2 years. They usually live pretty well with meals out and things. Because of the lean times they have both been cutting back. She earns 6 figures and as a result is saving even more money than she usually does. BIL has indicated that she saves several thousand each month. She isn't flashy at all and the salary comes with the job as it were, rather than her wanting to earn loads to sustain her lifestyle.

Over a few glasses of wine at the weekend I asked why she wasn't helping her partner out and instead expecting MIL to step in. She said that he can have access to whatever money the want if they get married. But she wont support him until then, even as a loan. I asked if she would actually marry him and she said she'd marry him tomorrow if he asked, but he doesn't want to get married.

So this is where I am struggling - I don't think my MIL you have to support him rather than his partner. She enjoys a nice lifestyle with him normally, and it seems bloody minded to go without because he is going through a tough few months. Equally she shouldn't have to support someone if she doesn't want to.

OP posts:
LimbOnTheBranchBranchOnTheTreeTheTreeInTheBog · 01/09/2025 13:33

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:30

The middle part is what hasn't sat right with me. She wants to get married, would happily marry him tomorrow so does see it as a partnership. But she won't actually act like that until she gets what she wants. Is it advocating for herself, or manipulative? I really don't know

What is doing to make this a partnership?

PurpleThistle7 · 01/09/2025 13:33

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:30

The middle part is what hasn't sat right with me. She wants to get married, would happily marry him tomorrow so does see it as a partnership. But she won't actually act like that until she gets what she wants. Is it advocating for herself, or manipulative? I really don't know

Well think about it the other way - she would be happy to be in a partnership with him but he doesn't want this. You don't even know if he would think about asking her for money. Am actually not sure why it's anyone's job to bail him out - if the business isn't working out, he needs to find another way to support himself.

A two year relationship with very disparate income is not a great start to getting financially entrenched. If they break up (he doesn't seem 'that' committed) then she will be out of pocket. Maybe she's happy to have the extra savings and quite happy not to go out several times a week - that's a lot for most people anyway.

HoldMyBreathOnTheTightrope · 01/09/2025 13:33

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:30

The middle part is what hasn't sat right with me. She wants to get married, would happily marry him tomorrow so does see it as a partnership. But she won't actually act like that until she gets what she wants. Is it advocating for herself, or manipulative? I really don't know

Because it's not a partnership if it's all one-sided. You think she should pay for him, but he shouldn't have to make a commitment to her. So it isn't a partnership, because he refuses to make it one. She's protecting herself.

grumpygrape · 01/09/2025 13:32

OP, I completely understand you don't want his mother to be taken advantage of. However, you seem to think someone who he could brush off in an instant should bankroll him.
Do you not see why many of us are in the GF/Partner's camp?

HoldMyBreathOnTheTightrope · 01/09/2025 13:30

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:26

That's very true, I hadn't thought of it like that

No, that's nonsense.

Where you might get a difference in responses would be if it was a woman who had gone part-time or given up work in order to look after their children. If the hypothetical woman you're imagining was providing the childcare and allowing her partner to work without having to worry about sick days and school holidays then yes, he shouldn't be squirrelling away cash for himself while she goes without. We've all read that scenario many times, which might be why that poster is thinking that a woman would get different answers as it's a fairly common issue - and one that may well be financially abusive.

This situation is nothing like that one. And a woman who comes on AIBU complaining that her boyfriend won't fund her lifestyle and she'll have to ask her parents for a bailout would get short shrift. She'd be told to get a proper job and give up on a business that leaves her short.

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:30

GrannyGoggles · 01/09/2025 13:23

Absolutely not. We don’t have a lot of information from OP. The girlfriend, in my view, with the info we do have, is probably making v sensible decisions.

lf, on the other hand, she is using money to move the relationship in the direction she wants that could be read as manipulative

It doesn’t sound like a particularly healthy relationship; they want v different things, she’s highly successful, him not so much. How old are they? If he’s 30+ and needs baling out by anyone I would regard that as a massive red flag

The middle part is what hasn't sat right with me. She wants to get married, would happily marry him tomorrow so does see it as a partnership. But she won't actually act like that until she gets what she wants. Is it advocating for herself, or manipulative? I really don't know

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FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 13:28

Goodness, the OP is very determined to only reply to the 2% that think they are not being unreasonable.

holjam · 01/09/2025 13:27

I think it’s none of your business either way!!

harriethoyle · 01/09/2025 13:27

I think your BIL girlfriend sounds great and really level headed. He, on the other hand, sounds like a right moocher. Hopefully she’s got the sense not to tie herself to him!

GrumpyInsomniac · 01/09/2025 13:27

And now imagine if the GF posted here:

”AIBU for thinking my partner’s SIL should mind her own business instead of expecting me to bail out her BIL? We were chatting over a few glasses of wine over the weekend and she was quite upset that my BF is asking his mum to tide his business over financially while it goes through a lean patch when she believes I could afford to bail him out from my own savings and not rely on MIL to do so. We are not married because he has no interest in making that commitment to our future, so there is no financial protection if I were to do so, and also, if I bail him out once, where would I have to draw the line? I’m worried that this would change the balance in our relationship: I want a partner, not a liability, especially if he’s not prepared to marry me, when of course we would combine finances and there would be family money available for those lean periods. BF’s SIL thinks I’m taking advantage of MIL, but doesn’t seem to understand her BIL would be taking advantage of me if he relies on me for that financial support without being prepared to put a ring on it.”

Kindly, your BIL needs to step up and sort his own mess out and not expect either his partner or his mother to fix things. To you, getting money from the GF may seem like rhetorical easy option, especially when you’re concerned about your MIL, but the reality is that their relationship is not yet at a place where that is appropriate. At his choice. Your BIL needs to grow up and work out his priorities and responsibilities, and be realistic about whether he is able to sustain the business or should instead look at going back into regular employment and marrying the partner, who sounds like she has her head screwed on right.

Edit: clarity

HesarealJacquelineHigh · 01/09/2025 13:26

Fair play to her. I reckon if a lot more women took this stance and had the same boundary then there would be a lot less cocklodgers getting away with it

PorcelainBlueCorydalis · 01/09/2025 13:26

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:17

It just seems baffling, to work as hard as she does to earn money that she is not happy to spend. She's now putting thousands into savings rather than dropping £30 to cover his share of a dinner that she really enjoys. Instead she'll sit at home with him.

Like I said, I can't get my head around who's wrong and who is right here.

Why not??

You haven't said why you think she is wrong for not paying more than her share?

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:26

Complet · 01/09/2025 13:24

If the sexes were reversed here and it was a woman who wanted to go out for fancy dinners etc., but couldn’t afford it and expected her partner to buy things for her when he was perfectly happy staying in and spending time together I think you’d get some different answers!!

That's very true, I hadn't thought of it like that

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HoldMyBreathOnTheTightrope · 01/09/2025 13:26

Complet · 01/09/2025 13:24

If the sexes were reversed here and it was a woman who wanted to go out for fancy dinners etc., but couldn’t afford it and expected her partner to buy things for her when he was perfectly happy staying in and spending time together I think you’d get some different answers!!

Have you ever read AIBU? She'd get torn to shreds for being greedy and entitled.

grumpygrape · 01/09/2025 13:26

theemmadilemma · 01/09/2025 13:14

Right, pretty clear and fucking fair to me.

Yup, me too

FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 13:25

Complet · 01/09/2025 13:24

If the sexes were reversed here and it was a woman who wanted to go out for fancy dinners etc., but couldn’t afford it and expected her partner to buy things for her when he was perfectly happy staying in and spending time together I think you’d get some different answers!!

No you wouldn’t. There would be comments about the girlfriend being a gold digger.

FuzzyWolf · 01/09/2025 13:25

HoldMyBreathOnTheTightrope · 01/09/2025 13:23

I would advise my daughter not to bankroll a man who won't marry her. If I had a friend whose boyfriend's business needed cash, I'd be telling her not to help him out. She'd be foolish to make a significant financial commitment to someone who won't make a legal and emotional commitment to her (the legal aspect being more significant).

If they get married, their assets are shared. Until then, it's a terrible idea for her to bankroll him.

Yes, I agree.

If the girlfriend in this situation was my daughter, I would be proud of her for knowing her worth and also supporting her boyfriend separately by scaling down her lifestyle to prevent him going further into debt.

Complet · 01/09/2025 13:24

If the sexes were reversed here and it was a woman who wanted to go out for fancy dinners etc., but couldn’t afford it and expected her partner to buy things for her when he was perfectly happy staying in and spending time together I think you’d get some different answers!!

Pinkcherry26 · 01/09/2025 13:24

Absolutely he shouldn't be running to Mummy to help with his bills. I am with you there. But neither is it her problem - she wants commitment it appears he's not willing to give!

HoldMyBreathOnTheTightrope · 01/09/2025 13:23

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:17

It just seems baffling, to work as hard as she does to earn money that she is not happy to spend. She's now putting thousands into savings rather than dropping £30 to cover his share of a dinner that she really enjoys. Instead she'll sit at home with him.

Like I said, I can't get my head around who's wrong and who is right here.

I would advise my daughter not to bankroll a man who won't marry her. If I had a friend whose boyfriend's business needed cash, I'd be telling her not to help him out. She'd be foolish to make a significant financial commitment to someone who won't make a legal and emotional commitment to her (the legal aspect being more significant).

If they get married, their assets are shared. Until then, it's a terrible idea for her to bankroll him.

GrannyGoggles · 01/09/2025 13:23

nomas · 01/09/2025 13:08

Why is she calculating and manipulative? Because she's a successful woman?

Absolutely not. We don’t have a lot of information from OP. The girlfriend, in my view, with the info we do have, is probably making v sensible decisions.

lf, on the other hand, she is using money to move the relationship in the direction she wants that could be read as manipulative

It doesn’t sound like a particularly healthy relationship; they want v different things, she’s highly successful, him not so much. How old are they? If he’s 30+ and needs baling out by anyone I would regard that as a massive red flag

nomas · 01/09/2025 13:22

Do BIL and his GF live together? If yes, it's possible she is already helping out by paying more than her share of the rent/bills.

Complet · 01/09/2025 13:22

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:17

It just seems baffling, to work as hard as she does to earn money that she is not happy to spend. She's now putting thousands into savings rather than dropping £30 to cover his share of a dinner that she really enjoys. Instead she'll sit at home with him.

Like I said, I can't get my head around who's wrong and who is right here.

I don’t know why you’re so confused?

She’s behaving impeccably. She’s supporting him by not going out and rubbing his face in it that he can’t. She’s saving her money sensibly, not flashing it about. She has made it very clear she loves him and would marry him tomorrow and share her life, love, and money with him.

He doesn’t want to marry her (whether it’s commitment issues or just doesn’t want marriage in general), so until they’re on the same page, why should she bankroll him and act like they are a committed partnership when it’s not what he wants?

MageQueen · 01/09/2025 13:21

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:17

It just seems baffling, to work as hard as she does to earn money that she is not happy to spend. She's now putting thousands into savings rather than dropping £30 to cover his share of a dinner that she really enjoys. Instead she'll sit at home with him.

Like I said, I can't get my head around who's wrong and who is right here.

It also sounds to me like your BIL's GF is making a point to him - this is your life if you don't take more financial responsibility and don't marry me.

Hoardasurass · 01/09/2025 13:21

Unc · 01/09/2025 13:12

To be fair we'd had quite a bit to drink and I am concerned about my MIL being seen as the family bank and don't want her being taken advantage of.

I just don't know at what stage you go from being BF/GF to a true partnership. He needs a little help and she isnt happy to step up. It seems a little cold to me.

When you marry until then neither party has any obligation to financially support the other.
This may seem cold to you but he clearly doesn't see her as a "partner" or wife material so why should she finance him?