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SIL still isolating due to covid risk

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dragontears · 01/09/2025 09:22

AIBU to think this is no way to live now? She works from home and will only leave the house for essential errands with mask on. She is terrified of getting long covid. Feels like her life is very very limited for a 38 year old!

Anyone else have people they know in this position? How to support them?

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Kiwislices · 03/09/2025 13:02

With the exception of the initial vaccine rollout, I don’t think covid has been handled particularly well at any point - including now. I also think the downplaying (by some) of covid inc. long covid and the downplaying (by some) of lockdown, especially to the people most affected by them is cruel.

godmum56 · 03/09/2025 12:36

Calliopespa · 03/09/2025 10:37

This was exactly the sort of background I was expecting @Everanewbie and I am enormously sorry to hear it. But can we not treat everyone with compassion and gentleness regarding their responses to what was, in our lifetimes, a truly extraordinary and, for many, very scary time.?

The SIL isn't really harming anyone beyond perhaps her DH, whose role it is to work with her and find what works for them as a couple. Labelling people as hysterical or OTT really doesn't I don't think, help them on their journey - and I am so glad to hear you were able to make your own journey through the anxiety at your own pace.

It is an emotive topic, and everyone's emotions around it are valid.

This absolutely. Feelings and emotions are valid whatever they are and experiences and recollections will vary. My stance is that whatever we see as "normal life" and whatever we choose for ourselves, we should respect people's absolute right to make different choices for themselves. Yes, as with all choices they will come with consequences. Labelling such choices as "ridiculous" or "needing to see a psychiatrist ASAP" are neither right not reasonable. I also think that @Kiwislices makes an excellent point.
"There’s often an assumption that people sat at one end or the other of a scale - very pro lockdown and every rule that went with it or vice versa. For most, their circumstances are a lot more complicated than that." most of us were just doing our best, struggling to make the best choices that we could in circumstances we had never before experienced.

mumatlast14 · 03/09/2025 12:33

Everanewbie · 03/09/2025 10:22

@Calliopespa The reaction to COVID and the hysteria affected me badly. Given my health condition, the messaging scared me to the point where in March/April 2020 I would have near panic attacks going into shops. I genuinely believed we were entering a bubonic plague scenario and therefore the government was not being extreme enough. To me, riding your bike was stupid, if you fell off you'd be taking the bed o someone who had COVID.

Things slowly changed for me as the months went by. I had written off the older members of my family and assumed that they wouldn't be strong enough to survive. Then my husbands 88 year old Alzheimer's suffering grandmother in a care home contracted COVID, and she suffered a cough and a stuffy nose. Then I started reading and interpreting data that didn't seem to match the doom press conferences we watched. Then I saw cases fall to the hundreds, and deaths to single numbers. And yet, here we were, economy stopped, shops and pubs closed, making banana bread still with no normality in sight. To add to this I saw that deaths "of COVID" were actually deaths "with" COVID, and that at times of high prevalence, deaths figures were massively overstated. I started to see that COVID was nasty, but no where near nasty enough to warrant what we had done, and I felt lied to and gaslit by the government. I knew no one that had had COVID any worse than a bad case of flu. Bed for a week was the worst. My extended networks are large, work, partners work, family, friends, acquaintances through hobbies. Plus the reality in clinical settings according to my husband just weren't equating to what we were hearing on the news.

Lockdown 2 and 3 were particularly difficult for me. Despite the arrival of vaccines we were still in this loop, and it felt like we'd never see light again. I wasn't allowed to practice my outdoor hobby, although dog walkers and bike riders were free to enjoy the land I was paying for through my memberships.

The goal posts kept shifting. Normality by Christmas. Until the elderly are jabbed. Until everyone is jabbed. Christmas freed. No, Christmas lockdown! Freedom by the daffodils, no tulips, no after everyone is jabbed. Brief freedom, then masks are back, another Christmas Lockdown averted mainly down to Rishi Sunak, but it was close. Scotland shut hospitality for the Omicron cold, legislation renewed.

I suffered with insomnia and a kind of malaise that almost saw me lose my job. I saw no light at the end of the tunnel for a normal, purposeful life, and I felt like there was nothing I could do about it. I wanted to attend the protest marches, break stuff, and show my anger, but my husband has a very high up job in the NHS and I didn't want to draw attention to him with my actions. I contemplated suicide, but thankfully I had good people I could talk to.

Perhaps the most senseless part was the illness and passing of my husbands other grandmother. 98 years old and we only saw her through the window on her 98th birthday. The only time in 18 months. For her safety. Who were we protecting? She died in May 2021 I deeply regret our stupidity for listening to that rubbish rather than keep an aging dying woman company in her last few months.

It was an awful period where scare tactics were used to enforce compliance. I am confident that long-COVID paranoia is a far greater disease the the post-viral syndrome often deemed "Long-COVID". People are free to choose their paths, but they will be subjected to scruitny. And yes, I find it hard to keep quiet when I see examples of peoples unwarranted paranoia affecting and influencing the quality of life of others.

Thats your experience but not the total sum or final word on the 'truth'.
I have friends who worked in Covid wards - they're STILL trumatised by what they saw and went through.
I also have family killed by covid, one who caught it from hospital.
Sorry you couldn't cope but that doesnt change the truth that millions were (and still are) dying OF covid. And millions are suffering with long covid and covid damage. Your experience does not give you the right to dismiss others.

mumatlast14 · 03/09/2025 12:19

Willoo · 03/09/2025 09:40

No she doesn’t. Her child will get bullied relentlessly and that will do far more damage than any illness

Except they aren't.

Kiwislices · 03/09/2025 12:00

@EveranewbieI appreciate your honesty.

dragontears · 03/09/2025 11:27

Everanewbie · 03/09/2025 10:22

@Calliopespa The reaction to COVID and the hysteria affected me badly. Given my health condition, the messaging scared me to the point where in March/April 2020 I would have near panic attacks going into shops. I genuinely believed we were entering a bubonic plague scenario and therefore the government was not being extreme enough. To me, riding your bike was stupid, if you fell off you'd be taking the bed o someone who had COVID.

Things slowly changed for me as the months went by. I had written off the older members of my family and assumed that they wouldn't be strong enough to survive. Then my husbands 88 year old Alzheimer's suffering grandmother in a care home contracted COVID, and she suffered a cough and a stuffy nose. Then I started reading and interpreting data that didn't seem to match the doom press conferences we watched. Then I saw cases fall to the hundreds, and deaths to single numbers. And yet, here we were, economy stopped, shops and pubs closed, making banana bread still with no normality in sight. To add to this I saw that deaths "of COVID" were actually deaths "with" COVID, and that at times of high prevalence, deaths figures were massively overstated. I started to see that COVID was nasty, but no where near nasty enough to warrant what we had done, and I felt lied to and gaslit by the government. I knew no one that had had COVID any worse than a bad case of flu. Bed for a week was the worst. My extended networks are large, work, partners work, family, friends, acquaintances through hobbies. Plus the reality in clinical settings according to my husband just weren't equating to what we were hearing on the news.

Lockdown 2 and 3 were particularly difficult for me. Despite the arrival of vaccines we were still in this loop, and it felt like we'd never see light again. I wasn't allowed to practice my outdoor hobby, although dog walkers and bike riders were free to enjoy the land I was paying for through my memberships.

The goal posts kept shifting. Normality by Christmas. Until the elderly are jabbed. Until everyone is jabbed. Christmas freed. No, Christmas lockdown! Freedom by the daffodils, no tulips, no after everyone is jabbed. Brief freedom, then masks are back, another Christmas Lockdown averted mainly down to Rishi Sunak, but it was close. Scotland shut hospitality for the Omicron cold, legislation renewed.

I suffered with insomnia and a kind of malaise that almost saw me lose my job. I saw no light at the end of the tunnel for a normal, purposeful life, and I felt like there was nothing I could do about it. I wanted to attend the protest marches, break stuff, and show my anger, but my husband has a very high up job in the NHS and I didn't want to draw attention to him with my actions. I contemplated suicide, but thankfully I had good people I could talk to.

Perhaps the most senseless part was the illness and passing of my husbands other grandmother. 98 years old and we only saw her through the window on her 98th birthday. The only time in 18 months. For her safety. Who were we protecting? She died in May 2021 I deeply regret our stupidity for listening to that rubbish rather than keep an aging dying woman company in her last few months.

It was an awful period where scare tactics were used to enforce compliance. I am confident that long-COVID paranoia is a far greater disease the the post-viral syndrome often deemed "Long-COVID". People are free to choose their paths, but they will be subjected to scruitny. And yes, I find it hard to keep quiet when I see examples of peoples unwarranted paranoia affecting and influencing the quality of life of others.

Thank you for sharing your story. Understandable that you have strong feelings on the subject, given those experiences. 🌸

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Calliopespa · 03/09/2025 10:37

Everanewbie · 03/09/2025 10:22

@Calliopespa The reaction to COVID and the hysteria affected me badly. Given my health condition, the messaging scared me to the point where in March/April 2020 I would have near panic attacks going into shops. I genuinely believed we were entering a bubonic plague scenario and therefore the government was not being extreme enough. To me, riding your bike was stupid, if you fell off you'd be taking the bed o someone who had COVID.

Things slowly changed for me as the months went by. I had written off the older members of my family and assumed that they wouldn't be strong enough to survive. Then my husbands 88 year old Alzheimer's suffering grandmother in a care home contracted COVID, and she suffered a cough and a stuffy nose. Then I started reading and interpreting data that didn't seem to match the doom press conferences we watched. Then I saw cases fall to the hundreds, and deaths to single numbers. And yet, here we were, economy stopped, shops and pubs closed, making banana bread still with no normality in sight. To add to this I saw that deaths "of COVID" were actually deaths "with" COVID, and that at times of high prevalence, deaths figures were massively overstated. I started to see that COVID was nasty, but no where near nasty enough to warrant what we had done, and I felt lied to and gaslit by the government. I knew no one that had had COVID any worse than a bad case of flu. Bed for a week was the worst. My extended networks are large, work, partners work, family, friends, acquaintances through hobbies. Plus the reality in clinical settings according to my husband just weren't equating to what we were hearing on the news.

Lockdown 2 and 3 were particularly difficult for me. Despite the arrival of vaccines we were still in this loop, and it felt like we'd never see light again. I wasn't allowed to practice my outdoor hobby, although dog walkers and bike riders were free to enjoy the land I was paying for through my memberships.

The goal posts kept shifting. Normality by Christmas. Until the elderly are jabbed. Until everyone is jabbed. Christmas freed. No, Christmas lockdown! Freedom by the daffodils, no tulips, no after everyone is jabbed. Brief freedom, then masks are back, another Christmas Lockdown averted mainly down to Rishi Sunak, but it was close. Scotland shut hospitality for the Omicron cold, legislation renewed.

I suffered with insomnia and a kind of malaise that almost saw me lose my job. I saw no light at the end of the tunnel for a normal, purposeful life, and I felt like there was nothing I could do about it. I wanted to attend the protest marches, break stuff, and show my anger, but my husband has a very high up job in the NHS and I didn't want to draw attention to him with my actions. I contemplated suicide, but thankfully I had good people I could talk to.

Perhaps the most senseless part was the illness and passing of my husbands other grandmother. 98 years old and we only saw her through the window on her 98th birthday. The only time in 18 months. For her safety. Who were we protecting? She died in May 2021 I deeply regret our stupidity for listening to that rubbish rather than keep an aging dying woman company in her last few months.

It was an awful period where scare tactics were used to enforce compliance. I am confident that long-COVID paranoia is a far greater disease the the post-viral syndrome often deemed "Long-COVID". People are free to choose their paths, but they will be subjected to scruitny. And yes, I find it hard to keep quiet when I see examples of peoples unwarranted paranoia affecting and influencing the quality of life of others.

This was exactly the sort of background I was expecting @Everanewbie and I am enormously sorry to hear it. But can we not treat everyone with compassion and gentleness regarding their responses to what was, in our lifetimes, a truly extraordinary and, for many, very scary time.?

The SIL isn't really harming anyone beyond perhaps her DH, whose role it is to work with her and find what works for them as a couple. Labelling people as hysterical or OTT really doesn't I don't think, help them on their journey - and I am so glad to hear you were able to make your own journey through the anxiety at your own pace.

It is an emotive topic, and everyone's emotions around it are valid.

Everanewbie · 03/09/2025 10:22

@Calliopespa The reaction to COVID and the hysteria affected me badly. Given my health condition, the messaging scared me to the point where in March/April 2020 I would have near panic attacks going into shops. I genuinely believed we were entering a bubonic plague scenario and therefore the government was not being extreme enough. To me, riding your bike was stupid, if you fell off you'd be taking the bed o someone who had COVID.

Things slowly changed for me as the months went by. I had written off the older members of my family and assumed that they wouldn't be strong enough to survive. Then my husbands 88 year old Alzheimer's suffering grandmother in a care home contracted COVID, and she suffered a cough and a stuffy nose. Then I started reading and interpreting data that didn't seem to match the doom press conferences we watched. Then I saw cases fall to the hundreds, and deaths to single numbers. And yet, here we were, economy stopped, shops and pubs closed, making banana bread still with no normality in sight. To add to this I saw that deaths "of COVID" were actually deaths "with" COVID, and that at times of high prevalence, deaths figures were massively overstated. I started to see that COVID was nasty, but no where near nasty enough to warrant what we had done, and I felt lied to and gaslit by the government. I knew no one that had had COVID any worse than a bad case of flu. Bed for a week was the worst. My extended networks are large, work, partners work, family, friends, acquaintances through hobbies. Plus the reality in clinical settings according to my husband just weren't equating to what we were hearing on the news.

Lockdown 2 and 3 were particularly difficult for me. Despite the arrival of vaccines we were still in this loop, and it felt like we'd never see light again. I wasn't allowed to practice my outdoor hobby, although dog walkers and bike riders were free to enjoy the land I was paying for through my memberships.

The goal posts kept shifting. Normality by Christmas. Until the elderly are jabbed. Until everyone is jabbed. Christmas freed. No, Christmas lockdown! Freedom by the daffodils, no tulips, no after everyone is jabbed. Brief freedom, then masks are back, another Christmas Lockdown averted mainly down to Rishi Sunak, but it was close. Scotland shut hospitality for the Omicron cold, legislation renewed.

I suffered with insomnia and a kind of malaise that almost saw me lose my job. I saw no light at the end of the tunnel for a normal, purposeful life, and I felt like there was nothing I could do about it. I wanted to attend the protest marches, break stuff, and show my anger, but my husband has a very high up job in the NHS and I didn't want to draw attention to him with my actions. I contemplated suicide, but thankfully I had good people I could talk to.

Perhaps the most senseless part was the illness and passing of my husbands other grandmother. 98 years old and we only saw her through the window on her 98th birthday. The only time in 18 months. For her safety. Who were we protecting? She died in May 2021 I deeply regret our stupidity for listening to that rubbish rather than keep an aging dying woman company in her last few months.

It was an awful period where scare tactics were used to enforce compliance. I am confident that long-COVID paranoia is a far greater disease the the post-viral syndrome often deemed "Long-COVID". People are free to choose their paths, but they will be subjected to scruitny. And yes, I find it hard to keep quiet when I see examples of peoples unwarranted paranoia affecting and influencing the quality of life of others.

Kiwislices · 03/09/2025 09:45

I’m interested too!

There’s often an assumption that people sat at one end or the other of a scale - very pro lockdown and every rule that went with it or vice versa. For most, their circumstances are a lot more complicated than that.

Willoo · 03/09/2025 09:40

ACertainSlantOfLight · 02/09/2025 17:03

You sound like a great mum, doing a brilliant job of keeping your children safe and healthy, don't let these ignorant replies get you down 💐

No she doesn’t. Her child will get bullied relentlessly and that will do far more damage than any illness

Calliopespa · 03/09/2025 09:36

lavendermilkshake · 03/09/2025 09:33

Yes I am genuinely interested - and not just on this thread but by the anger generally that Covid discussions sets off in some people.

Anger, mockery, bizarre accusations, and the use of all caps. It is an odd response, seen repeatedly.

Exactly. The heat and vitriol is coming from people who could just turn a blind eye and get on with rolling the way they roll.

lavendermilkshake · 03/09/2025 09:33

Yes I am genuinely interested - and not just on this thread but by the anger generally that Covid discussions sets off in some people.

Anger, mockery, bizarre accusations, and the use of all caps. It is an odd response, seen repeatedly.

Calliopespa · 03/09/2025 09:14

Everanewbie · 02/09/2025 21:27

If you’re genuinely interested I’ll give you a proper answer. It’s a fair question.

Yes I am genuinely interested - and not just on this thread but by the anger generally that Covid discussions sets off in some people.

My feeling is that it harks back to resentment and frustration regarding Government lockdown measures, and, for some people, more specifically the discovery of a double standard for some. It's as if people isolating now triggers a kind of re-living of that time for people who found it very difficult.

In addition, or alternatively, I sense a degree of insecurity, either around deep-seated fears for their own health that it's too inconvenient to face, or around a sort of fearful guilt that people might in some way blame their choice of how to cope with the risks as spreading or being selfish, ignorant or thoughtless of others. And I agree that at the time, this last, in particular, was quite a prevalent attitude.

But times have moved on. There is no lockdown, and no-one is expecting everyone to isolate or wear masks. The days of people's choices being curtailed have passed - so why humiliate and do exactly that - curtail choice - for those who choose a more home-centred lifestyle. There has been lots of twisting on this thread: the Sil doesn't get sunshine, her children (that she doesn't have) are suffering etc etc. I do believe there is an issue that she and her DH need some kind of compromise as relationships do involve compromise. But beyond that, it's simply no-one's business. I understand the op would like to see her DB more often, but there are loads of reasons extended family don't live exactly as and how you'd like them to.

Everanewbie · 03/09/2025 09:05

lavendermilkshake · 03/09/2025 00:33

Interesting that this is from the BHF given that I have a congenital heart condition myself. I have a personal interest.

You'd be aware of this then:

"Research suggests that Covid-19 can increase the risk of heart and circulatory conditions, like heart attack and stroke, after infection.

A study published in the journal Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology in October 2024 used data from over 11,000 people, with and without existing heart or circulatory conditions, who tested positively for Covid-19 between February and December 2020. This was before the Covid-19 vaccine was available in the UK.

Compared to nearly 220,000 uninfected people, those infected with Covid-19 were more than twice as likely to have had a heart attack or stroke or died from any cause by October 2022.

For people who were hospitalised with Covid-19, the risk of these events was 4 times higher than for those who did not test positive for the virus."

How does Covid-19 affect your heart? - BHF

Yes. I take anticoagulants and have very little worry of thrombosis as a consequence. Even so, I recognise the risk as small and the risk of "mitigation" to be high.

mumatlast14 · 03/09/2025 07:26

dragontears · 03/09/2025 03:01

I doubt I will change anyone’s mind on this, but have just thought of an analogy that is hopefully relatable.

I live downunder where the risk of skin cancer is very high. Does this mean that we never go out in the sun? No! To do that would mean spending limited time outside, with all the benefits that brings, and also not getting enough vitamin D etc. Instead, we avoid the sun in the middle of the day in summer, i.e. the most risky scenario, much like we would avoid someone symptomatic in the case of Covid.

Everything is a risk/benefit analysis. I don’t think anyone on here is denying that covid has potential long-term effects, more so that assessment of risk has been hijacked by anxiety for some people.

Not really. You also promote and widely agree that you should use mitigations - suncream, sun hats, cover up, sit in the shade. Also if someone chooses not to they don't cause someone else to get skin cancer.
However where are the mitigations for covid? Someone wears a mask and they get harassed, someone wants to avoid risky areas they get labelled as having mental health. No wonder she doesn't want to mix.

FourIsNewSix · 03/09/2025 04:36

Yes, we can see that you don't agree with her assessment.

Still, could you just plan more open air stuff with them and see? Not wanting to go to the pub isn't the end of the world.

You've said now that you are in Australia, so the summer is coming. Suggest some low key (not overcrowded) event outside, so they can taste the options.

dragontears · 03/09/2025 03:01

I doubt I will change anyone’s mind on this, but have just thought of an analogy that is hopefully relatable.

I live downunder where the risk of skin cancer is very high. Does this mean that we never go out in the sun? No! To do that would mean spending limited time outside, with all the benefits that brings, and also not getting enough vitamin D etc. Instead, we avoid the sun in the middle of the day in summer, i.e. the most risky scenario, much like we would avoid someone symptomatic in the case of Covid.

Everything is a risk/benefit analysis. I don’t think anyone on here is denying that covid has potential long-term effects, more so that assessment of risk has been hijacked by anxiety for some people.

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lavendermilkshake · 03/09/2025 00:33

Interesting that this is from the BHF given that I have a congenital heart condition myself. I have a personal interest.

You'd be aware of this then:

"Research suggests that Covid-19 can increase the risk of heart and circulatory conditions, like heart attack and stroke, after infection.

A study published in the journal Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology in October 2024 used data from over 11,000 people, with and without existing heart or circulatory conditions, who tested positively for Covid-19 between February and December 2020. This was before the Covid-19 vaccine was available in the UK.

Compared to nearly 220,000 uninfected people, those infected with Covid-19 were more than twice as likely to have had a heart attack or stroke or died from any cause by October 2022.

For people who were hospitalised with Covid-19, the risk of these events was 4 times higher than for those who did not test positive for the virus."

How does Covid-19 affect your heart? - BHF

lavendermilkshake · 03/09/2025 00:28

Everanewbie · 02/09/2025 15:30

You're reading articles like this and just screaming in your head "Its vascular!!!" without picking out key points. Interesting that this is from the BHF given that I have a congenital heart condition myself. I have a personal interest.

Some key info I noticed, key words in bold

"case studies began to suggest that some of the most severe complications of the disease affected more than just the lungs."

There have been some anecdotal reports that clot-related complications may be less common in people with Covid-19 caused by more recent variants (such as Omicron), but there is a need for more research in this area before we can be sure.

The article is also dated from 2023, since when the outcomes have improved even more. Still nothing to tell me to run for the hills,

I'm not screaming anything in my head. I am trying to educate a particularly silly poster. The only person 'screaming' on this thread is you. Not sure why.

WizardOfTopsham · 02/09/2025 22:25

I’ve got long covid. Sometimes it is a bit shit, but nowhere near as shit as living like that!

Calliopespa · 02/09/2025 21:32

Clafoutie · 02/09/2025 21:04

Would you consider any manifestation of a mental health issue ‘ ridiculous’? However things may appear to people who are fortunate enough not to be suffering with mental ill-health, judgements like that only serve to make those suffering feel more alone. Their thoughts might also seem ‘ridiculous’ to themselves too, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t struggling.

The use of a "diagnosis" of MH by random punters is a way of trying to invalidate the person's stance. So I suspect there is an element of finding manifestations of MH ridiculous.

I think there are issues to be considered in so far as the SIL's actions impact on her DH - and more so if she had dc, but she doesn't. But I don't really see it falling in the realm of the op's business. My Sil microwaves my nephew's food in plastic. I mentioned it once, it doesn't bother her so I accept I just have to , well, accept. I wouldn't do it, but then she doesn't make me.

Everanewbie · 02/09/2025 21:27

Calliopespa · 02/09/2025 21:24

Why are you so full of intensity over this? It oozes from your every post.

I mean if it's really not affecting you, it's not affecting you...

That's what I find so curious about these covid discussions.

FWIW I've no skin in the game: I haven't got long Covid and I don't wear a mask. But it really doesn't bother me if other people want to take precautions.

If you’re genuinely interested I’ll give you a proper answer. It’s a fair question.

Calliopespa · 02/09/2025 21:24

Everanewbie · 02/09/2025 21:10

I’m quite happy after a mask-less day in the office and sat with my husband, both naked from the shoulders up and having a giggle with the OP on mumsnet. Sad is what I was from March 2020 until February 2022 because you lot were winning the argument. Happy that subsequently, you and your like are in the minority.

Why are you so full of intensity over this? It oozes from your every post.

I mean if it's really not affecting you, it's not affecting you...

That's what I find so curious about these covid discussions.

FWIW I've no skin in the game: I haven't got long Covid and I don't wear a mask. But it really doesn't bother me if other people want to take precautions.

Delatron · 02/09/2025 21:14

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 01/09/2025 14:49

And I’ve read a scenario where eventually so many people get Long Covid that the world stops functioning properly.

We don’t seem to have much immunity going by repeated infection rates.

Well if we do the maths that seems plausible..around a 10% chance of long find for each infection. We don’t seem to build immunity and it is constantly circulating. We’re up to 3 million suffering now after 5 years in the UK…

Maybe when we hit 10 million people will start to take it seriously.. the impact that will have on the economy.

Everanewbie · 02/09/2025 21:10

ACertainSlantOfLight · 02/09/2025 21:03

How sad.

I’m quite happy after a mask-less day in the office and sat with my husband, both naked from the shoulders up and having a giggle with the OP on mumsnet. Sad is what I was from March 2020 until February 2022 because you lot were winning the argument. Happy that subsequently, you and your like are in the minority.

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