SIL still isolating due to covid risk

Being preached at and told you're stupid and wrong is beyond tedious. Im embarrassed for you tbh 😄

You’re the one who has literally just been preaching at people who still take precautions and telling them they’re stupid and wrong, saying they need counselling, they’re delusional, and to ‘get a grip’.

You’re right, it was beyond tedious.

It is a huge cost to the British Economy.

https://www.camecon.com/hubfs/145725293/The-Economic-Burden-of-Long-Covid-in-the-UK_Cambridge-Econometrics_V1.1_March2024.pdf

This whole thread was started because the OP was annoyed at the sister in law minding her own business and avoiding covid, and various others chimed in to say that she was mentally ill and needed psychiatric intervention etc. People were just explaining why that isn't the case. I only wish people like yourself did avoid those of us who still wear a mask, it would be a delight, unfortunately all we get is endless tantrums and demands that we stop masking.

Wish you would avoid but sadly you seem to think its your right to attack and belittle.

This is why people tend to avoid those who still wear masks. Being preached at and told you're stupid and wrong is beyond tedious. Im embarrassed for you tbh 😄

You can waste your life if you want, and feel superior while doing so. Just leave the rest of us alone. If you're right we'll all be dead or disabled soon anyway and you can gloat lol

Except it is true. But as with many smokers you'll just deny it will happen to you.

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She does need counseling because she is wasting some of the best years of her life rotting away indoors and living in fear. Covid is a part of life now, the risk is still small of actually being severely effected and weighed up against the downsides of living a life of isolation, its absolutely not worth it. I think you have to be pretty delusional at this stage to look around you and think that all those people living normally are suffering from "damage to organs, brain blood clots, diabetes and triggering cancers not to mention long covid". Those things have always happened to people, its just not true that covid is causing mass disabilty and death.

I take zero precautions, didnt even get vaccinated and have only had covid once, and still fine. This is the case for the vast, vast majority of people. Get a grip

Of course she needs counselling.

The government did an absolute number on people with poor mental health and anxiety. It’s completely irrational to still be fearful of Covid in this way, it’s clearly ruining her life.

But this SIL is disabled by what sounds like a serious mental health condition. Not covid or long covid.
Imagine if she snaps out of this weird fugue in a decade or so. She may actually be angry that relatives around her didn't intervene and her best years are gone.

Absolutely doesn't need counselling. Seems she's far more informed about the risks of covid than most. It's vascular - causing damage to organs, brain blood clots, diabetes and triggering cancers not yo mention long covid Why do you think sickness levels are increasing so much. Its also very easy to protect yourself FFP3 masks in crowded areas, HEPA filtration, ventilation. Trouble is people are so aggressive towards those who mask, many just don't bother to venture out.

But if you have been disabled by a covid infection is is completely logical to want to avoid further covid infections, as they can worsen the illness or cause relapses in people who's heath has improved.

I have read it, and agree many people i meet have suffered some form of trauma or other events that have set up an overdeveloped fight/flight/freeze response….however I’m talking about the avoidant behaviour that people can end up doing when you have developed CFS or long covid, I know from personal experience of CFS it can make you very avoidant, it’s a common fear in those fellow sufferers I meet - how much more so when you have gone through a worldwide epidemic when you have had people in authority telling you how dangerous it is to participate in normal life activities (and when you still have people telling others how dangerous it is to catch covid ,even though many of us have now had vaccines and had covid)

@dragontears I think you should just leave her be, she's an adult and she can decide for herself about her own health, there's lots of covid around atm and it's for her to decide what precautions she wants to take. You sound a bit controlling.

Yes chronic stress suppresses the immune system and raises the risk of lots of chronic illnesses like high blood pressure, heart disease, and autoimmune disorders, and various others, probably including LC and ME. The illnesses aren't psychosomatic, the stress hormone cortisol causes physical damage to the body over time which increases the risk. Also Long covid can cause psychiatric symptoms itself, as well as all the physical ones, because the virus can cause inflammation in the brain. But that doesn't make it a mental illness, any more than Parkinson's (which can also cause psychiatric symptoms) is.

I agree with this. I've read that book, it's great 👍 I was adopted as a baby and my birth parents were drug addicts, and my birth mum was abused by her father. They lived in the East End of London, and had connections with the Kray brothers... I think it's all very much inherited somehow and genetically I do feel that the very "essence" of me (my DNA etc) may have been influenced by the family links and history.

I agree about it having an impact on susceptibility to illness too. My poor late birth mum had various cancers and she was quite unwell most of her life.

There is a community on reddit for people like this that I sometimes have a look at. Most of them would end their marriage if their spouse stopped going along with their mental illness. Many of them have cut their entire families out of their lives and keep their children masked and isolated. Its completely nuts but they just dont see it as a problem and instead think that the rest of society is in the wrong for living normally. OPs sil sounds like this.

It's not true that the overwhelming majority of people have had no issues with covid. There are a significant percentage of people who have the more well known type of long covid which has similarities to me/cfs, there are also many people who have other long term complications triggered by covid, such as strokes, heart attacks, organ damage etc etc. There are plenty of people who have recovered from mild covid but have been found to have silent organ damage, cognitive deficits etc in studies.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11834749/
https://www.brainfacts.org/diseases-and-disorders/covid-19/2023/the-risks-of-even-mild-covid19-1-in-4-showing-cognitive-deficits-011723
No I don't want lockdown to have continued, I want air filtration in public buildings, people to be encouraged to stay home from school and work when infectious to avoid spreading illness, and for people who choose to protect their health to not be harassed for it. Trying to avoid infection doesn't mean not working, I work, I simply wear a ffp2 mask to reduce the risk of infection. Also plenty of people work from home. Society is at far more danger of collapsing from ending up with a huge percentage of people with a serious chronic illness/disability.
This is a study from America that puts long covid as now the most common chronic illness in children, surpassing asthma.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2834486

The mental health overlap probably comes from childhood experiences. Not about avoiding Covid.

The worse the childhood the more susceptibility to chronic diseases like LC and CF, and mental health issues.

Read The Body Keeps thr Score.

But everybody claims to know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody.

You can't ignore that the overwhelming majority of people have not had any issue with it and society on a global scale didn't collapse because of covid.

Society will collapse, though, if people like the op's sisterinlaw decide to stay indoors in case they get sick

Do you think lock down never should have ended?

People like SIL make me sick. How does she get what she needs when she barely goes out
Because everybody else is going out to work.So she can stay at home

It's so selfish. She doesn't want to go out but she's happy for everybody else to do it.So she can get what she wants.

I know somebody who has chronic fatigue syndrome as a result of a viral infection long before covid happened. Post viral illness has always been a thing. It's always been a risk.

Catching covid repeatedly is playing Russian roulette with your health, it's entirely reasonable to want to avoid that. If you decide you are willing to take that risk for yourself then that's fine, but trying to force other people to do so is dreadful. Do you want people sectioned or something for wanting to stay healthy? How ridiculous. I am immunocompromised so have to avoid infections myself, but I know several people who were young and extremely healthy before getting long covid, which has left them severely disabled for years with no prospect of recovery. https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/debilitating-a-generation-expert-warns-that-long-covid-may-eventually-affect-most-americans

I have long term CFS and attend groups alongside people with long covid - and more widely, i’m aware of the overlap of mental health issues with these patient groups and how it can encourage avoidant behaviour in an effort to stop further infection. For all those on here who are still avoidant, there are so many recovery stories out there now on you tube, i would encourage you to explore. People can and do get better, i know people personally who have recovered from both CFS and long covid.

I also know someone who, isn't isolating totally, but goes to the supermarket very early or late, avoids anywhere crowded, wears masks. Slowly they are getting out and about but are still very wary and are elderly too. They shielded during the pandemic but was also a bit hermit like before all of it, live in an isolated part of the country. Family slowly reduced their participation so it became harder to avoid people altogether and they had to deal with their own affairs.