I’ve joined the “why are there dogs everywhere” Club

So anyway, yep, things are returning to normal, businesses who joined in the fad are realising it's not a necessity or even wanted by most, and of course loads of businesses were always free of dogs and no downturn will be seen since the vast majority don't want people's dogs in every place humans are.

It's great we are already returning to normal and dogs are now being put back in their doggy place while the barking mad owners (a mouthy minority) are reigned in :) Hip hip hooray :)👏👏👏

Nobody told me anything. It is self evident that most businesses will do what gets them the most revenue and profit.

Those that allow dogs have concluded that that means allowing dogs. I suspect because the way we shop has changed - fewer day or hours long shopping trips and more popping in to pick something up or try something on when it’s convenient.

So there’s nothing in this that is hearsay - it is a simple fact that if a business allows dogs it will be because they conclude that it is good for their bottom line to do so.

As you say plenty of businesses have taken the opposite decision so those who don’t like it can just go to those shops/bars/cafes. That’s how the market is supposed to work.

I find it very irritating that when a badly trained dog bounds up to me and licks me or puts its paws on me and I remain neutral, I sometimes get abuse as if I have gone out of my way to insult a human. I don’t want the dog to touch me and I often put my hands out of reach and stay still, not offering encouraging body language to try to limit the encounter. When I do this people sometimes behave very angrily. They should be grateful it’s neutral rather than unfriendly: their dogs should be better trained. Imagine if a woman were out with her husband and he ran up to you and licked you and pawed you. If you didn’t pat him on the head she wouldn’t be going “for fucks sake he’s only being friendly you mardy bitch”.

Nope, I was responding to your silly, fact free assertion based on "that guy down the pub told me" that being welcoming to humans and not dogs is not enough to make it commercially attractive to businesses though.

As you are aware, businesses will pander to what appears to be the latest fad in order to remain uncontroversial, and at the moment the barking mad seem to be in control - they're definitely not in the majority however and soon enough things will swing back to the absolutely normal way it always was - no dogs allowed in most places. It's already being seen regularly all over - people are sick of the dog mad silliness that was most probably engendered by lockdown.

When the pawsitively loony have to leave their dogs home again they'll get used to it again easily enough.

And in fact, many thousands of businesses have remained dog free, and, as can be seen by their continued success, that's no issue at all:)

Silly fads like this never last, the pushback has already started and it won't affect commercial businesses at all. We're already seeing the return to normality - which is great :)

That’s the great thing about a market economy - we don’t need to pretend anything. Businesses can decide for themselves whether they allow dogs.

If you’re correct those that do will perform worse and will quickly change course, since the objective of any business is to make money.

But more likely, however, businesses that allow dogs recognise that it gains them more sales than it loses them which is why they made the decision in the first place,

Based on "someone said this to me" 😅

Let's just go back to the way things have been forever and a day and see how that works out. Or we can keep pretending people tolerating dogs in shops is actually improving sales with zero stats and no proof at all 😅

Not enough to make it an attractive commercial choice for many businesses though.

I don't think banning dogs from being out in public is likely to happen, but banning them from eateries and shops has a lot of public support.

I find it very irritating that when a badly trained dog bounds up to me and licks me or puts its paws on me and I remain neutral, I sometimes get abuse as if I have gone out of my way to insult a human. I don’t want the dog to touch me and I often put my hands out of reach and stay still, not offering encouraging body language to try to limit the encounter. When I do this people sometimes behave very angrily. They should be grateful it’s neutral rather than unfriendly: their dogs should be better trained. Imagine if a woman were out with her husband and he ran up to you and licked you and pawed you. If you didn’t pat him on the head she wouldn’t be going “for fucks sake he’s only being friendly you mardy bitch”.

I find it very irritating that when a badly trained dog bounds up to me and licks me or puts its paws on me and I remain neutral, I sometimes get abuse as if I have gone out of my way to insult a human. I don’t want the dog to touch me and I often put my hands out of reach and stay still, not offering encouraging body language to try to limit the encounter. When I do this people sometimes behave very angrily. They should be grateful it’s neutral rather than unfriendly: their dogs should be better trained. Imagine if a woman were out with her husband and he ran up to you and licked you and pawed you. If you didn’t pat him on the head she wouldn’t be going “for fucks sake he’s only being friendly you mardy bitch”.

I find it very irritating that when a badly trained dog bounds up to me and licks me or puts its paws on me and I remain neutral, I sometimes get abuse as if I have gone out of my way to insult a human. I don’t want the dog to touch me and I often put my hands out of reach and stay still, not offering encouraging body language to try to limit the encounter. When I do this people sometimes behave very angrily. They should be grateful it’s neutral rather than unfriendly: their dogs should be better trained. Imagine if a woman were out with her husband and he ran up to you and licked you and pawed you. If you didn’t pat him on the head she wouldn’t be going “for fucks sake he’s only being friendly you mardy bitch”.

ALL dogs smell. Owners might not think they do but they have gone nose blind to it. I concede that some don’t smell as badly as others but they do all smell

I don't think banning dogs from being out in public is likely to happen, but banning them from eateries and shops has a lot of public support.

Everything smells. But dog smell is not bad. I love sniffing my dog's head and paws.

I am glad to see you have softened your view on this somewhat. Before, you didn't want them out in public at all.

ALL dogs smell. Owners might not think they do but they have gone nose blind to it. I concede that some don’t smell as badly as others but they do all smell

Not all dogs smell, not all dogs bark. Some dogs only bark on home territory and are otherwise quiet.

Clearly we're all talking her round @YeOldeGreyhound

If it's the noise and smell that bothers you then I think dogs aren't so bad outside, think I'm in this camp. If it's a phobia then I imagine it's the same outdoors or indoors.

Dogs should not be in eateries or shops full stop. In pubs that only serve drinks? I suppose some dogs could be allowed in as long as they are well-behaved and do not disturb anyone. But the moment they misbehave even a slightest amount, they should be barred for life as should their owners.