Would you like to round up to £1? No I fucking wouldnt.

I said that once to a dog charity person… “Do you like dogs?”

“No…I actually hate them.” #truth

I don't personally like the green or red buttons that nullify the benefits of contactless and force you to make a choice before you can pay for your goods (assuming that you can see and understand the choice of course, asdiscussed above)...

However, I definitely hate it when assistants 'get involved' in asking you to donate, rather than just leaving you alone to choose green or red.

I don't remember, in the old days of charity tins for loose change on the counter, anybody ever rattling the tin at me during the purchase or even mentioning it. It was there unobtrusive for if you wanted to give anything; it was very easily ignorable if you didn't/couldn't afford to.

That's why I'd much prefer to see separate basic charity card terminals rolled out, as an equivalent. Nobody asking or pressuring you; simply finish paying for your goods as normal and then, if you want to, scan your card again on the separate charity terminal - just like we always used to do with cash.

@blueclip

Some people find it hard/embarrassing/awkward to decline. And some cashiers are sneery if you decline.
this isn’t hatred of charity, it’s hatred of being pressured - essentially chugged.

@RoverReturn

I don't hate charities - wouldn't go in charity shops if I did.
But I don't like certain approaches. Being sprung on by chuggers is annoying.

Exactly. Saying 'this is a charity hating thread,' and 'no-one forces you to give' is such a weak argument. As you say, some people (chuggers) pressure people, and some people are quite vulnerable and too 'nice' and feel forced to give. I have noticed when I am out and about that they typically target older women - 60+ I would say.

Male chuggers do this moreso, but female ones do too. I have seen women in their 60s, 70s, and 80s signing up in the foyer of Morrisons and Sainsburys, after being cornered by a persistent chugger, and I am willing to bet that they probably can't afford to give, but they are just too scared to say no/to refuse.

Not me! GenX, (mid-late 50s,) resting-bitch-face, with a 'fuck off and leave me alone' look. They rarely bother me. If they glance over at me, and say 'do you like children/animals/the environment madam?' I am just like 'no.'

I'm not saying ALL women over 60 are daft mugs who are 'too nice' and scared to say no, but they are more likely to be targetted, and are the most likely demographic to be scammed. (Not saying chuggers are scammers, but they do target older people to sign up to their charideee.' 🙄)

I have staff that press the red button for me, usually when I have the kids but I always think so I look that poor

What on earth is wrong with a man offering to buy a drink for a barmaid?

Jeeeeeez, are we just offended at everything now?

I don't hate charities - wouldn't go in charity shops if I did.
But I don't like certain approaches. Being sprung on by chuggers is annoying.

Some people find it hard/embarrassing/awkward to decline. And some cashiers are sneery if you decline.
this isn’t hatred of charity, it’s hatred of being pressured - essentially chugged.

Yet another charity hate thread.

if you don’t want to donate , you decline.

I'm starting to think it's ok. More efficient than tins and people having to russle in their handbags and purses for loose change. More discrete too. It stops the "have one yourself darling" also from the creepy men at the bar.

I think you're missing the point though. The "rounding up" request is not meant to be your sole contribution to charity. The point is, you possibly wouldn't miss that small bit of change but to the charity, hundreds of such donations add up to a significant amount. By the same token, why would you feel guilty for not giving a few pennies away? The charity won't miss it.
To me, rounding up is just the modern equivalent of putting change in a tin. When I was young, they sometimes had novelty collecting tins that did something (made a noise or moved) when you put money in, and we would always pester Mum to have some change to give. 2p here or there made no difference to her - but presumably to the charities added up to something worthwhile.
I think anyone feeling guilt over this needs to examine their attitude to money in general.

I tried to quote chompingatthebeat when I left my comment, but either I made an error or it glitched - so it looked like I was saying the opposite of what I was!

To contribute to a general spirit of conviviality on a meal out? Are your principles worth ruining the atmosphere?

I completely agree with you that the waiter didn't deserve a tip; but I didn't understand how specifically not tipping him, after his poor service, would spoil the atmosphere for the group?!

Because they don't deserve it and annoyed with him for poor service and spoiling the atmosphere?

Why would it make a difference to you or to your friends and your combined enjoyment whether a grumpy waiter is given some extra money or not?

If you keep giving tips for poor service, the service won't improve.

I wouldn't let one grumpy waiter ruin a meal out with friends, no

Won't the poor service have ruined the atmosphere?

To contribute to a general spirit of conviviality on a meal out? Are your principles worth ruining the atmosphere?

I agree. Was steeling myself to say 'no, I'm not rounding up' in the cancer research charity shop yesterday as I felt the items were if anything overpriced anyway.

They didn't ask - usually they do.

Why should somebody expect a tip - which is usually understood as gratitude for going above and beyond in your service - when they haven't even bothered to deliver the minimum acceptable service?

That's what this whole enterprise heavily relies on: people feeling shame and guilt at saying No to 'charity'.

Even more so if an assistant verbally asks you if you'd like to give, so it's not even 'just' quietly pressing a button.

It makes so much more sense foe those who want to give to charity to take time to decide which of the millions of causes they personally want to support and then do so - and gift aid their donations if they're taxpayers.

Unfortunately, the deliberately anticipated feelings of "Am I a baddie to decline?" kick in, you're put on the spot, and then loads of people end up giving when, if they'd had time to consider it, and none of the pressure, I reckon very few of them would have actively chosen to give then to that particular charity.

After all, if it were a charity that you'd actively chosen to support, most people would want to give considerably more than 25p, wouldn't they?

You sound like a fun dining companion

@TalkToTheHand123

I know it's quite hard for many people not to feel guilty, but honestly, you've no reason to. Your money is yours to do with as you please. Not rounding up doesn't make you a bad or uncaring person.

There is no shame in not donating or rounding up. 😊

Had my first experience at a pub with this yesterday. I wasn't expecting it as I totally forgot. Pressed no but it made me feel quite guilty.

That sounds really annoying for the customers; I know I wouldn't want a member of staff following me asking me the same question. Not trying to have a go at this lady in question, as with her learning difficulties, it's not her fault. But I question whether it was appropriate to have her in such a customer-facing role, at least without a partner/buddy who could assist and help her with social cues.