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To be irritated that John Swinney is going to spend next week banging on about Gaza?

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Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 14:24

Why fix your own shit schools, prisons, councils and health service when you can fly the Palestinian flag at Holyrood for free I guess.

Attention-seeking wee wanker.

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Lolapusht · 30/08/2025 17:52

Do you understand that when you say things like “we need to stop arming Israel…” that implies something to the reality of what we actually to provide Israel with?

The general interpretation of “arming” someone would reasonably be giving them a firearm ie a gun and some bullets. Providing them with a small percentage of components for 1 type of plane, some drone parts & military intelligence is not that. Oxfam even use this imagery in their campaign info in the link you provided.

A wee bit disingenuous methinks. Definitely suggest we’re sending bombs to Gaza which is absolutely not the case. I’m not sure everyone reading your comment would be aware of that…

To be irritated that John Swinney is going to spend next week banging on about Gaza?
JaneJeffer · 30/08/2025 17:44

Lolapusht · 30/08/2025 17:33

What do you mean when you say “arming Israel” because that reads as though we’re sending guns/bullets/bombs to Israel…

https://www.oxfam.org.uk/get-involved/campaign-with-oxfam/gaza-israel-crisis-sign-petition-call-for-ceasefire-now/does-the-uk-sell-arms-to-israel/

Lolapusht · 30/08/2025 17:37

Chocolateisameal · 30/08/2025 14:35

Ok, you don’t care about people outside our country.

Presumably you do care about the security of our country. The current situation in Gaza is barbaric. It is also massively destabilising to the Middle East. This fuels the risks of further fighting elsewhere and also breeds further terrorism. Ultimately, that could result in extremists attacking your country.

No, John Swinney can’t personally influence anything and, like all politicians, will have an eye on the political capital. But the more people who protest, the louder the opposition gets. This pressures others to try to end the violence.

The world generally becomes more peaceful and less dangerous overall. This makes our country safer.

And the intelligence we get from Israel? That’s not useful at all? Cause they’ll stop giving us intel on which Iranian agents are planning attacks on UK soil.

The most unstabilising force in the region is Iran and all its proxies. If you wanted peace in the region then you should be calling for the removal of the IRGC etc and for Hamas to be removed from power.

morbidd · 30/08/2025 17:34

Man cares about the welfare of people and you are complaining about this!?

Lolapusht · 30/08/2025 17:33

JaneJeffer · 30/08/2025 14:33

Are the U.K. arming those countries like they are Israel?

What do you mean when you say “arming Israel” because that reads as though we’re sending guns/bullets/bombs to Israel…

Æthelred · 30/08/2025 17:29

I grew up in the UAE — my Dad worked for a Palestinian construction firm, and I went to a Lebanese school — I was the only English kid in my year - my classmates being from all over the Arab world.

I love my Palestinian brothers and sisters dearly and can see that they have been badly let down by their leaders over the decades. To this day, it annoys me that all the Palestinian sympathisers I know in the UK sneered when the founder of the UAE, Sheikh Zayed, died in 2004 - "Just a rich Arab - who cares?" - that was one comment from an acquaintance. Within two weeks Yasser Arafat was dead and he was inconsolable. I suggest that Sheikh Zayed and other Gulf Arab leaders of his era did far more to further the cause of ordinary Palestinians than the putrid Arafat - simply by giving them work and a place to live. The Kuwaitis learned first hand how ungrateful Palestinians can be when they were invaded by Iraq in 1990.

I find my feelings about the Palestinian flag complicated. It uses the standard Arab colours, almost identical to the flag of Jordan and very similar to flags of countries like Kuwait and the UAE. I shouldn’t resent it, but after seeing policies and actions that have affected ordinary residents in my home city of Manchester, I feel uneasy about it and what it can represent- e.g. intimidation of Jewish locals and others trying to go about their business and it shouldn't generally be flown in this country in my opinion.

Tekknonan · 30/08/2025 17:00

Silly, goady post.

dynamiccactus · 30/08/2025 16:11

What's happening in Gaza is terrible but nobody would give a fig if Israel weren't the aggressors. Nobody is talking about Yemen or Sudan, as a pp said.

And where are all the protests about what's happening in Afghanistan? The UN even appeased the Taliban and excluded women from talks.

It's all so hypocritical.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 30/08/2025 15:44

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Op, you're really not coming across well. Let this go now.

PrestonHood121 · 30/08/2025 15:43

But....but... he's such an important World Leader, his voice matters!

MNBlip · 30/08/2025 15:20

Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 15:09

Why do you care about this above all else? I don't think you're in a position to lecture anyone else about ignorance.

I care about a lot of things.You clearly don’t. What position do I need to be in to call someone out on ignorance, please enlighten me? A decent human being is the only answer.

MissyB1 · 30/08/2025 15:16

Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 14:24

Why fix your own shit schools, prisons, councils and health service when you can fly the Palestinian flag at Holyrood for free I guess.

Attention-seeking wee wanker.

Hmmm… “attention seeking wee wanker”

yep that’s exactly what I’m thinking about you OP!

Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 15:15

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AgnesX · 30/08/2025 15:14

It's good that he does. That he's got some decency. End of.

Maddy70 · 30/08/2025 15:13

Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 14:28

Why don't you care about the people suffering and dying in your own country?

Why do you think the flag of a region dominated by terrorists who have murdered Scottish people should fly outside the Scottish parliament?

We do care ut no genocide is happening in the UK what sort of a monster can turn a blind eye?

ThisNattyTurtle · 30/08/2025 15:11

Perhaps you prefer your politicians accepting money from Israel, a foreign terrorist state (according to Churchill and the late Queen) which is also an Apartheid state (says the ICJ, UN, Amnesty, B'Tselem, HRW)

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/how-israel-funds-uk-parliamentary-staff/

Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 15:09

MNBlip · 30/08/2025 15:01

Well you’re mistaken. I’m equally horrified at the atrocities going on around the world. I’m also educated to know that just because it isn’t on my doorstep doesn’t mean I shouldn’t care or take action. I imagine if something like that happened here we’d all be horrified at the people closing their eyes. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Why do you care about this above all else? I don't think you're in a position to lecture anyone else about ignorance.

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MNBlip · 30/08/2025 15:01

smallpinecone · 30/08/2025 14:46

People only have so much bandwidth, and might have more pressing concerns closer to home. You have the luxury of worrying about this, but a lot can’t. People can’t care about everything you might want them to. Do you care equally about everything happening in every country simultaneously? Are you equally outraged about everyone not in Gaza who is suffering? Should our elected officials be devoting equal time to every problem the world over? Of course not.

Well you’re mistaken. I’m equally horrified at the atrocities going on around the world. I’m also educated to know that just because it isn’t on my doorstep doesn’t mean I shouldn’t care or take action. I imagine if something like that happened here we’d all be horrified at the people closing their eyes. Ignorance is not an excuse.

smallpinecone · 30/08/2025 14:53

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Well said!

Lifesd · 30/08/2025 14:51

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smallpinecone · 30/08/2025 14:46

MNBlip · 30/08/2025 14:42

The two things can exist. I take it you don’t care that innocent people are being starved and killed?

People only have so much bandwidth, and might have more pressing concerns closer to home. You have the luxury of worrying about this, but a lot can’t. People can’t care about everything you might want them to. Do you care equally about everything happening in every country simultaneously? Are you equally outraged about everyone not in Gaza who is suffering? Should our elected officials be devoting equal time to every problem the world over? Of course not.

ThisNattyTurtle · 30/08/2025 14:44

Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 14:28

Why don't you care about the people suffering and dying in your own country?

Why do you think the flag of a region dominated by terrorists who have murdered Scottish people should fly outside the Scottish parliament?

People opposing the genocide in Gaza are asking the govt to STOP spending money to help a foreign regime - on military flights supporting Israel, on ineffective and dangerous air drops of food aid - and impose sanctions. They can use the money they're not spending on Israel to help UK schools and OAPs.

Also, Israel has killed and endangered far more dual-national civilians, including Scots, than Hamas has.

Terrorism in Palestine was started by the Jewish militias who later became the Israeli army. They kidnapped British soldiers, hanged them and booby trapped their bodies so the rescuing soldiers were wounded. https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/british-army-palestine

A Jewish refugee ship in Palestine, 1947

The British Army in Palestine | National Army Museum

In the aftermath of the Second World War (1939-45), the British Army in Palestine confronted an escalating conflict between two rival nationalist movements – Jewish and Arab.

https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/british-army-palestine

Fragmentedbrain · 30/08/2025 14:42

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MNBlip · 30/08/2025 14:42

The two things can exist. I take it you don’t care that innocent people are being starved and killed?

smallpinecone · 30/08/2025 14:41

ExtraOnions · 30/08/2025 14:37

Where did they plant Ireland ?

Calling people “thick” because they don’t agree with you, sums up this country “agree with me, or I’ll throw insults around”

I find that commonly on the left. Maybe the right have just joined them? Doesn’t make it right - but that’s the state of politics now.