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Should I be upset or was I thoughtless?

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HelloDenise · 30/08/2025 09:49

Last night went out with a few women from my hobby group for dinner as one of them (she's 66) was finishing at her job that day and at the end of September she's going to university to do a postgraduate course. We all knew about that.

I gave her a Happy Retirement card and it went down like poo in a punchbowl. She was very awkward and said "you know I'm not retiring and you've known for months I've left to do a course and will continue working after that"

I hate myself, she doesn't present as an old woman and it'd be difficult to guess her age if you don't already know, but she's sensitive about being pigeonholed because of her age. So I took it back and said I'd give it to her when she got her bus pass and then someone else piped up "Just because Becky gets a bus pass doesn't mean she's retired".

Am I ageist and horrible? I feel I ruined the night. She was over friendly with me for the rest of the night like she didn't want me to feel upset about what I did.

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Kellywiththelegs · 30/08/2025 22:23

Pmen · 30/08/2025 20:14

Oh for goodness sake despite what everyone is saying you did absolutely nothing wrong - it was a lovely gesture and if she was a bit prickly about it then that's her problem. If course she was retiring and starting again in a new direction. She's 66 not 26 and you sound like a lovely person x

Yes she did do something wrong, OP knew full well that her friend wasn’t retiring yet gave her a retirement card anyway.

ParmaVioletTea · 30/08/2025 22:04

Yes I think you were being ageist. Women in older middle age are often overlooked or assumed to be incapable And then you persisted in the thoughtless “joke” by mentioning a bus pass. No wonder she was annoyed

You just wait until you’re 60-something and people write you off as you did your colleague.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 30/08/2025 21:53

Thedoorisalwaysopen · 30/08/2025 21:16

this.
But people are 'allowed' to get offended over anything nowadays. It's pathetic.

She didn’t, she told OP it was the thought that counts and was overly nice to her for the rest of the evening, so if anything it’s OP who is looking to be offended.

FlockofSquirrels · 30/08/2025 21:40

I can see why that was hurtful to her given she had made it so clear she planned to do a course and then return to work and wasn’t retiring.

You knowing that and choosing to give her a card that specifically said retirement may have felt like you were indicating (however unconsciously) a belief that she wouldn’t or couldn’t follow through on her stated plans and would just end up never going back to work. She’s probably gotten a fair amount of people doubting her either openly or through condescension and subtext so she’s likely to be sensitive to it.

It sounds like an apology was due, but her behavior after was to show you she accepted you didn’t mean it that way and you can both move on.

user1473878824 · 30/08/2025 21:39

HelloDenise · 30/08/2025 11:00

She did and that's why I'm upset with myself. Two other women mentioned the R word on earlier occasions at our floristry group and she said I'm not retiring I'm leaving my job because of restructures and going to study.

So why did you get her a retirement card?

Thedoorisalwaysopen · 30/08/2025 21:16

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 30/08/2025 20:55

You made a bit of an error / faux pas but what you did wasn’t that outrageous.

Her response and that of the person who chimed in sound utterly graceless and rude.

You didn’t do it on purpose, there’s not need for them to make such a song and dance.

this.
But people are 'allowed' to get offended over anything nowadays. It's pathetic.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 30/08/2025 20:55

You made a bit of an error / faux pas but what you did wasn’t that outrageous.

Her response and that of the person who chimed in sound utterly graceless and rude.

You didn’t do it on purpose, there’s not need for them to make such a song and dance.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 30/08/2025 20:47

Pmen · 30/08/2025 20:14

Oh for goodness sake despite what everyone is saying you did absolutely nothing wrong - it was a lovely gesture and if she was a bit prickly about it then that's her problem. If course she was retiring and starting again in a new direction. She's 66 not 26 and you sound like a lovely person x

Except she clearly said she was not retiring!

JMSA · 30/08/2025 20:46

A generic ‘best wishes’ card would probably have been better, but I don’t see it as a big deal.

Pmen · 30/08/2025 20:14

Oh for goodness sake despite what everyone is saying you did absolutely nothing wrong - it was a lovely gesture and if she was a bit prickly about it then that's her problem. If course she was retiring and starting again in a new direction. She's 66 not 26 and you sound like a lovely person x

Buffs · 30/08/2025 19:50

She was leaving work and was of a retirement kind of age. Not a big deal, don’t beat yourself up.

Finteq · 30/08/2025 19:26

I'm sorry but I think the bus pass comment was putting the boot in.

latetothefisting · 30/08/2025 18:43

lazyarse123 · 30/08/2025 16:23

But she is retiring age. You can still do qualifications and not intend to find a job in that field just to keep your brain working.
I don't think op deliberately did anything wrong and recipient was gracious about it so best just to get over it all round.
I'm 67 so the last job I left i actually was retiring.

would you give someone in their 30s moving to a new job a 'congratulations on your baby' card just because they are 'maternity leave' age?

this woman isn't doing qualifications 'just to keep her brain working' she DOES INTEND on working after said qualifications and had made this clear to OP, who made it clear to anyone who bothered to properly read her post.

latetothefisting · 30/08/2025 18:39

ChopsyHatesFungus · 30/08/2025 14:31

Nasty or realistic?

I’m in my 60’s and very well aware of the lack of employment opportunities for women my age, thank you very much.

Anyone changing career at that point is either extremely well connected or extremely lucky. It’s very far from the norm for the vast majority of older women.

Yes, I have a degree and a PG from Oxbridge but no magic family connections. 🤷🏻‍♀️

ageist, sexist, classist, AND unimaginative, bingo!

Who says she's going to be employed in a new career? Perhaps she's going back to the same sector. Perhaps she plans on starting her own business. Perhaps she doesn't plan on having a "career" but still intends on /needs to work. Even if she does a degree then moves to working a few days a week on the tills in Aldi she ISN'T RETIRED.

The main thing is that the "silly woman" gets to decide herself whether she's retiring or not, not OP, and not you, a random and rather unpleasant, internet stranger.

pipthomson · 30/08/2025 17:49

This group of ladies sounds a bit snarky

PicaK · 30/08/2025 17:47

You made an error. She calmly pointed it out and then was nice to you to show no hard feelings.
I think pp with the "happy holiday card for mat leave" sums up the nature of the error well.

Toomanywaterbottles · 30/08/2025 16:58

lazyarse123 · 30/08/2025 16:27

All of those people have been working in their careers for a long time, except yvette Cooper and she's not old enough to use in your examples.
The point is once the lady has qualified she will be too old to start a new career.

How do you know? Maybe she’s training to be a counsellor, garden designer, bookkeeper? Anything really, especially if you’re self-employed.

Toomanywaterbottles · 30/08/2025 16:56

ToKittyornottoKitty · 30/08/2025 12:25

Well it says in the OP the friend is 66

Oops, oh, yes.

Heronwatcher · 30/08/2025 16:40

lazyarse123 · 30/08/2025 16:23

But she is retiring age. You can still do qualifications and not intend to find a job in that field just to keep your brain working.
I don't think op deliberately did anything wrong and recipient was gracious about it so best just to get over it all round.
I'm 67 so the last job I left i actually was retiring.

But this lady had specifically said she intended to go back to work?

Heronwatcher · 30/08/2025 16:39

lazyarse123 · 30/08/2025 16:27

All of those people have been working in their careers for a long time, except yvette Cooper and she's not old enough to use in your examples.
The point is once the lady has qualified she will be too old to start a new career.

The OP says she was leaving to do a course then continuing to work. We don’t know it’s in a completely new field- she could just be carrying on in her existing field (or a very closely related one) but with an additional qualification/ new employer. Ironically she might be even more employable after the course.

lazyarse123 · 30/08/2025 16:27

Heronwatcher · 30/08/2025 15:25

Good grief! Isn’t that exactly what she is doing? And, prey tell, at what age does anyone become completely unemployable?

You do realise that Ursula von Der Lyon is 66, Yvette Cooper (Home Sec) is 56 and looks to be going strong, Angela Merkel is now 71 and was German chancellor until 4 years ago. Lady Arden (former judge) was a Justice of the Supreme Court well into her 70s and there are 1000s of people, well into their 60s who are leading figures in law, medicine, business etc. Your attitude stinks.

All of those people have been working in their careers for a long time, except yvette Cooper and she's not old enough to use in your examples.
The point is once the lady has qualified she will be too old to start a new career.

lazyarse123 · 30/08/2025 16:23

latetothefisting · 30/08/2025 13:25

Retiring ISN'T THE SAME as leaving a job and it's deliberately obtuse to pretend it is. How old are you? When you last changed jobs would you have found it completely normal to get a 'happy retirement' card despite being 30/40? 🙄

But she is retiring age. You can still do qualifications and not intend to find a job in that field just to keep your brain working.
I don't think op deliberately did anything wrong and recipient was gracious about it so best just to get over it all round.
I'm 67 so the last job I left i actually was retiring.

UpMyself · 30/08/2025 16:06

Charles became monarch sat the age of 73. Donald T rump is 79.

Heronwatcher · 30/08/2025 15:25

ChopsyHatesFungus · 30/08/2025 13:34

The silly woman was 66!

She’s hardly going to be starting a new career after a PG course at her age. Who will employ her for starters?

😂😂

Good grief! Isn’t that exactly what she is doing? And, prey tell, at what age does anyone become completely unemployable?

You do realise that Ursula von Der Lyon is 66, Yvette Cooper (Home Sec) is 56 and looks to be going strong, Angela Merkel is now 71 and was German chancellor until 4 years ago. Lady Arden (former judge) was a Justice of the Supreme Court well into her 70s and there are 1000s of people, well into their 60s who are leading figures in law, medicine, business etc. Your attitude stinks.

AntiBullshit · 30/08/2025 14:42

Leaving or retirement are 2 different things
Do you really hate yourself OP or are are just a bit embarrassed