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Tiktakmam · 30/08/2025 08:36

I’ve been living in the UK for 16 years, have two children, and work full-time. I consider myself integrated, living according to British values, and respecting this country. I look after myself and my home, and I try to contribute positively to the community.

Yet, many of us — especially from Eastern Europe — don’t feel entirely safe with the ongoing issues around illegal migrant boats. Even though we are legal residents, I’ve noticed growing dissatisfaction from some neighbours. When I mention that I’m from Eastern Europe, I often hear comments like, “Of course you are…” — basically implying I’m not British.

This makes me feel like I’ve somehow “brought these boats” here, as if I’m just another part of the immigrant problem. Seeing flags and attitudes that suggest “immigrants go home” is disheartening.

I also feel somewhat less confident around British people, especially in areas with mostly locals and fewer immigrants. For example, when I travel to campsites or smaller towns, I sometimes feel looked at as untrustworthy. Luckily, in London I feel much less like this.

Post-Brexit, it feels like the country has changed in ways that make life less secure, not just for immigrants but for everyone. It’s heartbreaking that all migrants, legal or not, are often dropped into one pot and judged as a single group.

I keep wondering — after so many years of people from other countries contributing to making the UK a brighter, more vibrant place, why does it feel like the country has been going downhill over time?

I feel so heartbroken, because I understand that the UK will never truly be my home, as I was not born here. Yet it hurts to realize that, with every passing year, it feels more and more like I will never be fully welcome.

Why has it gone so wrong on a broader scale? How can we have a healthier, safer society for everyone, while respecting the law and supporting integration?

I hope we can have a conversation about this that goes beyond fear and politics, and focuses on community, fairness, and safety for all residents.
Im just curious, in this era of migrant boats and heightened tension around immigration, how do you perceive or feel about other immigrants, even those who are legal residents? Does this climate affect the way you interact with them or how you feel about other immigrants, especially in less multicultural towns? What does your family of friends say?

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WeAreExperiencingHigherNumberOfCallsThanUsual · 30/08/2025 10:57

RedMaker · 30/08/2025 10:42

UAE: totally different. Citizenship can never be a "right" for a foreigner; it's a privilege which is bestowed on them. You never "qualify." There's almost no path to citizenship. You go to work, fund yourself entirely, and can be removed at any time. You'll never be entitled to any form of support from the state, or have equal rights to a native.

In other words, they can be a minority numerically but their dominant status will never be threatened.

That's entirely different to the UK. You'll never have a leader with a British surname there.

I agree they never lost the dominant status, yes.
I don't think uk should switch to same system, but something does need to happen or locals to see benefits.
I also think the citizenship should be bit more complex to get and I don't mean just making tests more difficult. Proving positove contribution to uk or something like that

sofabouncing · 30/08/2025 10:57

These threads always descend into liberaller-than-thou types coming out with rhetoric around British people on benefits that would make your average Tory's eyes pop.

Ironfloor269 · 30/08/2025 10:56

BundleBoogie · 30/08/2025 10:46

Gosh, you really hate us don’t you? Such glee.

Is that the best response you can come up with? I was hoping for something more constructive.

CaptainMyCaptain · 30/08/2025 10:56

Middlechild3 · 30/08/2025 10:20

I think immigrants rarely integrate as well as they think. I live in a City with a large Polish community. I love the people I've met and worked with however the local area is now very over run with Polish shops, booze shops etc. Some only have Polish signage. This isn't integration. The people who have integrated successfully consciously stayed away from this group mentality and proactively merged into local life.

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Presumably you feel the same way about All Day Full English breakfast cafes and British or Irish bars abroad. I don't go to those places but I do sometimes go to local Polish shops, the Polish rye bread is lovely also pickles and preserved vegetables.

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2025 10:55

RedMaker · 30/08/2025 10:51

An interesting study from Bradshaw and and McDermott at Cornell: "No evidence ageing or declining populations compromise socio-economic performance of countries" just refuted this. After all, Japan seems to be doing fine. The sky hasn't fallen in.

The Japanese are extremely concerned about their falling birthrate.

HonestOpalHelper · 30/08/2025 10:55

Tiktakmam · 30/08/2025 09:05

My home country doesn’t support dual nationality, so I would lose my original citizenship by birth. Even if I had British citizenship, my accent would still give me away. And even if I said I had a British passport, the next question would always be: “Where are you from originally?”

I’m not even sure this question is really relevant, though.
Does it matter what my passport states?

I wouldn't take the accent question as an insult, I always ask what part of the world people hail from if they have an interesting accent, its a good conversation starter - and that's not just international - Yorkshire or Lancashire?

I got asked about my accent by a cabby the other day, got us chatting, mines Cardiff but very light so he couldn't make it out.

Its a bit like taking about the weather!

Hairshare · 30/08/2025 10:55

It's a bad business. The phrase 'illegal immigrants' being trotted out as though all immigrants are illegal is part of the problem. Desperate people risking their lives to travel here in boats are asylum seekers, and many of them end up being allowed to stay. Then there are people who moved here legally and are contributing by working and in other ways. Not everyone is xenophobic, thank God, but I agree it's increasing.

StandFirm · 30/08/2025 10:55

RedMaker · 30/08/2025 10:48

So you're saying that:

  • You're not grateful for coming to the UK. But presumably you're benefitting from something your own country wouldn't or couldn't provide, or else why do you need to come to seek to live with and around us?
  • Regardless of the desires of the British people, you will impose yourself on them whether they like it or not and seek to use the legal system to remain indefinitely. And that's their problem.

And you're wondering why there's hostility?

Your comment neatly summarises whu there's hostility. We need to switch to the UAE's model in which citizenship is a privilege given at our discretion, but never a right or something that someone becomes "entitled" to claim.

Why should PP be 'grateful' if she's literally just pointed out she and her husband got their status and jobs thanks to their own hard work. That's called meritocracy.

IceLollyMolly · 30/08/2025 10:54

Lol at pp saying the UK should switch to a UAE model. You could try that, but you won't get many takers when so many tax payers are fleeing. The only reason the UAE works is because of low taxes and relatively high wages, built on modern slavery.

StandFirm · 30/08/2025 10:52

DuncinToffee · 30/08/2025 10:14

People like Lowe, Robinson talk abour remigration going back a few generations.

You (and me) would not be safe from them.

Yeah read the remigration rhetoric. Then read the Nuremberg laws.

IceLollyMolly · 30/08/2025 10:52

RedMaker · 30/08/2025 10:48

So you're saying that:

  • You're not grateful for coming to the UK. But presumably you're benefitting from something your own country wouldn't or couldn't provide, or else why do you need to come to seek to live with and around us?
  • Regardless of the desires of the British people, you will impose yourself on them whether they like it or not and seek to use the legal system to remain indefinitely. And that's their problem.

And you're wondering why there's hostility?

Your comment neatly summarises whu there's hostility. We need to switch to the UAE's model in which citizenship is a privilege given at our discretion, but never a right or something that someone becomes "entitled" to claim.

I came here because I have worked around the world in a skilled profession and like diverse environments. I also love London and all it offers by way of museums, parks, and the West End.
You are welcome to be hostile to me and get me out legally. Knock yourself out. If you have a problem with legal tax paying immigrants, that's a "you problem' .

catspyjamas1 · 30/08/2025 10:51

IceLollyMolly · 30/08/2025 10:46

I can only conclude that you have mixed me up with someone else as I have said quite clearly that I am a recent immigrant uninterested in convincing people of anything.

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IceLollyMolly · Today 10:34
Honestly all us legal tax paying immigrants- especially those not white- need to stop trying to convince xenophobes, especially those on this thread. They won't be convinced. I do not care what they say.

Owlbookend · 30/08/2025 10:51

I just want to say that i am sorry that you are experiencing this and that i value your contribution and that of the many immigrants i know.

RedMaker · 30/08/2025 10:51

Mosaic123 · 30/08/2025 10:47

And yet the UK needs more young people as the birthrate is so low.

My grandmother was an immigrant from Eastern Europe in 1908 with her parents and siblings.

An interesting study from Bradshaw and and McDermott at Cornell: "No evidence ageing or declining populations compromise socio-economic performance of countries" just refuted this. After all, Japan seems to be doing fine. The sky hasn't fallen in.

RedMaker · 30/08/2025 10:50

Mosaic123 · 30/08/2025 10:47

And yet the UK needs more young people as the birthrate is so low.

My grandmother was an immigrant from Eastern Europe in 1908 with her parents and siblings.

An interesting study from Bradshaw and and McDermott at Cornell: "No evidence ageing or declining populations compromise socio-economic performance of countries" just refuted this. After all, Japan seems to be doing fine. The sky hasn't fallen in.

catspyjamas1 · 30/08/2025 10:50

QueenofDestruction · 30/08/2025 10:44

Interestingly, around 84% of people on UC are British and Irish and the UK currently has a negative birth rate. Anyone wonder how the population will financially sustain itself once it hasmade the country unpleasant to migrants. Personally as a high tax Payer I would rather my tax money goes to an asylum seeker fleeing a horrible situation. Than someone who just won't work. Immigrants are not a homogenous group they include doctors and other professionals. The British economy needs them and being xenophobic is not doing anyone any favours. Also refugees are not illegal, immigrants until their asylum claims gave been processed

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Breathtaking ignorance of UC claimants. Here you go.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-12-june-2025/universal-credit-statistics-29-april-2013-to-12-june-2025

Dragonflydancer · 30/08/2025 10:50

When I was in Asia I DID feel grateful actually. I had a lot of amazing work and life experiences there and always considered it a privilege not a right

BundleBoogie · 30/08/2025 10:50

banananas1999 · 30/08/2025 10:20

Ironic tho,how many cultures did british make go extinct- ask native australians,native americans etc

So are you saying that’s ok now?

That we should be wiped out as a people because a few of our ancestors did bad things?

bombastix · 30/08/2025 10:49

I don’t have answers really. All I see is that there was this narrative that the UK was somehow different or less racist than other countries.

I don’t think that is true, btw. It is often that you do not hear it directly. What did change over my lifetime is that people were less open about it. There laws and rules which meant you couldn’t be overtly racist at work and crimes could be racially motivated.

Rupert Lowe in a way has done us a favour because of his explicit view on remigration. That is an old BNP view of repatriation now. I grew up with that. But he is not pretending. I believe he represents quite a lot of people in the UK.

All the stuff about asylum seekers will be extended and discussed to other groups who aren’t White British in due course and in various places online it is already. The point is that for people like Lowe, contribution, assimilation etc, these are not things he thinks should even happen.

thepariscrimefiles · 30/08/2025 10:49

Fairyliz · 30/08/2025 09:07

Can I ask why you came here op?
If it was because you have a skill the country needs (doctor) then isn’t it sad that you have taken those skills it from your home country.
If it was for a better standard of living that implies the UK is giving you something,so you are taking from the UK.
Im not saying that now you don’t fully contribute, but there was a chance you might not. Does the country have the resources to offer that chance to unlimited amounts of people?

What would you consider to be an acceptable reason for OP to come to the UK? Are you saying that if she isnt a doctor, she shouldn't have come? I lived and worked in Italy for a few years. I didn't have a particular skill that Italy needed that Italians couldn't provide.

My great great grandparents came to the UK in the 1880s fleeing the pogroms in Eastern Europe. They probably didn't have specific skills that this country needed but they were fleeing persecution.

The discourse around immigration is so toxic now that people like the OP feel unwelcome here after 16 years and people like you are demanding that she justifies her presence here in the UK.

RedMaker · 30/08/2025 10:48

IceLollyMolly · 30/08/2025 10:17

I usually avoid these threads.

But maybe I should speak up as I am a recent immigrant to the UK- arrived in 2020- and just got my ILR, as have my husband and son. I am part of the much reviled Boriswave.

I am brown with a heavy accent. So is my family. We are all highly educated. We pay 40% tax. My son went to private school. We use private healthcare and travel to our home country for healthcare too. We are not religious- yes agnostic brown people exist!- and do not wear modesty clothing. All these should work in our favour but may not.

Maybe I took the job from a British person as did my husband. The jobs were advertised and we were the best candidates, seeing as how we have years of international experience. I refuse to be apologetic or cringingly grateful. I deserve to be here and will apply for citizenship next year if I can.

No doubt there will be racists who think a scruffily dressed brown woman is a drain on the country. That's their problem. Not my job to convince them.

So you're saying that:

  • You're not grateful for coming to the UK. But presumably you're benefitting from something your own country wouldn't or couldn't provide, or else why do you need to come to seek to live with and around us?
  • Regardless of the desires of the British people, you will impose yourself on them whether they like it or not and seek to use the legal system to remain indefinitely. And that's their problem.

And you're wondering why there's hostility?

Your comment neatly summarises whu there's hostility. We need to switch to the UAE's model in which citizenship is a privilege given at our discretion, but never a right or something that someone becomes "entitled" to claim.

Mosaic123 · 30/08/2025 10:47

And yet the UK needs more young people as the birthrate is so low.

My grandmother was an immigrant from Eastern Europe in 1908 with her parents and siblings.

Alondra · 30/08/2025 10:47

Unfortunately the UK is fast becoming the US Trump of Europe. The amount of xenophobia, racism and prejudices is seriously becoming a problem in your society probably because there's always been an underlaying "British exceptionalism" that was always a problem.

I'm not British, don't live in Britain and I wouldn't move there if you pay me money. As another poster mentioned, the amount of ignorance about legal migrants is staggering. The majority of those migrants were recipients of taxpayers money in their home country thru primary education, university scholarships, trade education, primary health (vaccinations etc), and moved to the UK getting jobs from the moment they arrived and paying taxes in a win/win to society. It's always been the fundamental reason why countries (USA, UK, Canada, Australia, Germany etc) with most migrant input were always the wealthiest, while countries exporting their professional or trade work force were the poorest.

In a bigger context, not focussed on the UK, racism and xenophobia are part of most societies. We generally don't like foreigners and feel more comfortable with our own people, specially if they look and sound like us. It's what's driven the human race from the Neanderthals until today. The problem we're all facing now is that we're living in a time of serious changes, exacerbated by a shift in world economics moving from West to East because of dwindling global resources, population and climate change. The billionaires (the ones in control thru multinationals) want to keep making billions and their influence in societies thru fear and division will tighten - ff we fight between ourselves at the bottom of the ladder, we won't create unrest demanding fair wealth distribution.

I wish I could give you a ray of hope, but things are going to get much worse in the next few years.

IceLollyMolly · 30/08/2025 10:46

catspyjamas1 · 30/08/2025 10:43

What am I and other immigrants on this thread meant to be convincing people of?

I can only conclude that you have mixed me up with someone else as I have said quite clearly that I am a recent immigrant uninterested in convincing people of anything.

catspyjamas1 · 30/08/2025 10:46

LeonMccogh · 30/08/2025 10:44

Why is it that Aussies and Kiwis never seem to be treated this way?

Treated what way?

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