Immigrants but legal ones?

Don't confuse the poor dears with facts....

The UK does have a points based system though.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/uk-points-based-immigration-system-employer-information/the-uks-points-based-immigration-system-an-introduction-for-employers

Of course a lot of people hate Sadiq Khan because of the colour of his skin and his religion. Anyway, he has been voted into office three times by Londoners.

What is an 'indigenous Londoner'? Are they the descendants of the group of east London dockers and Smithfield porters who famously marched in support of Enoch Powell's anti-immigrant "rivers of blood" speech in 1968? Proper racists, not the more covert 'are you thinking what I'm thinking' ones.

More people are reporting hate crimes nowadays, but they didn’t use to. We just tried to ignore the racism. That’s why the data isn’t reliable. In my experience, the UK was a lot more racist in the 2000s and 2010s when I was at school. Less racism nowadays.

DD got told today by a classmate that I’m a gypsy because I’m from a certain EE country, as an insult. Fun times , but I Guess it could’ve been worse .

The Irish became white.

Great question. All British citizens have right of abode in the RoI, and vice versa. NI is so small that I would be surprised if your statement is true, but not desperately so.

Why not ask Google?

My pal was born and bred in Manchester as are her three children. She and her children are dark skinned of and are 2nd and 3rd generation from Kerala. Both her parents were invited to the UK as GPs and experts in their field. She looks after her three nieces after her brother died last year and is a single mum in charge of six kids. We have all been camping together a couple of times over the summer, she is eyes with suspicion asked why she has so many children, asked where her husband is, has he gone home? To where Bolton? She is very blunt and funny tells hem the kids are her dead brother's and is done with it but I hate it for her and her kids. I'm white if it was me nobody would ask me all of those questions.

Actually, in the 40's and 50's one could find signs outside cheap boarding houses saying "no dogs, no Irish" --so not even being white saved the Irish! We have a long track record of nasty parochialism.

A google search said that the main immigrants to Ireland are from the UK and Ukraine.
When they say the UK, do they mean from Northern Ireland?

I dont think it's even been over the last 20 years. I think is been over the past 5 or so years since the 'Boris wave' of immigration that has just skyrocketed. Especially when it looks like so many people have got visas so they can work as delivery drivers/ shop workers etc and can't possibly be highly skilled. Many people who arrived on care visas are now not working in care but there has been piss poor management of them.

This is absolutely right.

Hate xenophobia, certainly, but please don’t try and make out it’s just a British phenomenon. If you think other European countries are a paradise of racial and cultural tolerance you honestly need to get out more

There are huge and frightening world events going on and increasing pressure from migration just now. A lot of people on both sides of the situation are very scared and governments need to face up to - and even anticipate- real and perceived issues. It’s their job.

I’m in ireland and the amount of legal immigration in such a short period of time of astonishing. 25 yeats ago we were largely homogeneous

I think this is bit of the crux of why the blow up, even in parts of UK. I think it is reasonable to say that big changes with short span (and 20 years is short span) would bring up some discontent anywhere in the world. I say that as an immigrant and a part of the problem essentially. Especially when these changes happened over hard economic times.

The thing is though if so many people are moving around and are mixed in the wider family (and by that I mean siblings living in other countries, children born elsewhere etc) then that is surely the effect of globalisation as with free movement of goods and services you also get quite a lot of movement of people.
It does not mean that culture and values need to be eroded, they just change with the changing times. For example, for us English and “British”, we also have erosion due to more autonomy in Wales and Scotland, which I believe is a good thing, but notions of Britishness are perhaps not just outdated because of loads of immigrants from all over the world. Times have changed. One can still define one’s contemporary cultural and shared values.

How about gratitude being the basis of it all, grateful that we live in a safe country with free healthcare and education where we can speak our minds? I know it is not perfect, but it is still better than most other nation states in the rest of the world. We are lacking in gratitude and respect for our own institutions and the people we have voted for, across the board actually, to represent us. Nobody likes the world “pride” when it comes to Britishness - but gratitude, humility, respect for what we do have, respect for law and order and one’s locality, and each other should be a good start. The recent divisions that have been sown are hateful and it is not all bad here. Would also be good if people shed the entitlement that they are somehow better or worth more than others.

I’m in ireland and the amount of legal immigration in such a short period of time of astonishing. 25 yeats ago we were largely homogeneous. Now when i go my local supermarket i am often one of a few Irish people - most are newly arrived. It gives me a strange, lost feeling. Like when people around you are mostly similar to you and have a similar outlook you feel a connection to each other. When people have arrived from all over the world and are speaking their own languages to each other it is alienating.

some people try to shut down people who object to the pace of change by saying Irish people have traditionally emigrated. I know that is true but it doesn’t stop how I feel.

I think it easier if immigrants are culturally similar to us e.g. support women’s rights and the rights of gay people or a similar outlook on life. Immigrants should be willing to integrate- to be happy for their children to marry Irish people, not separating themselves.

Ireland changed slowly for hundreds and hundreds of years with waves of different people arriving at different times and bringing new parts to the culture - now suddenly there is a rush from all over the world of anyone and everyone. We are becoming just some other ‘global-land’ - not really ireland anymore.

And i know immigrants are mostly good people just trying to do the best for their families - but i still feel sad about the sudden change. I think i could cope with a slower pace of change where immigrants had the chance to integrate and become Irish.

tbf, a loud MNer contingent believes ALL males are sex offenders who just haven't been caught yet.

Tangent, but the best brie by a mile is Sharpham from Devon. Absolutely delicious, better than anything Somerset or France have to offer 😋

There's a thread running on mm about how the majority of asylum seekers are violent sex offenders. Its utterly scary what is being said in that thread. I doubt any of the edl wannabees there will want to check passport, if youve paid taxes, speak English. This is not a time that I feel ok about leaving the house

My observation is that many societies don’t seem to mind low levels of immigration. However, once you reach the numbers you now see in many western countries the attitudes start to drastically change.
Humans are for the most part tribal. Then add that to the fact racism is a universal trait that appears in every society Not everyone is tribal and not everyone is racist but a significant amount in every country are.
That is why across multiple countries right now immigrants are starting to feel unsafe.
I am from what was once considered a poor country. Now it’s a rich place we have inward immigration. You can sense the change in attitudes towards immigrants. It’s getting hostile now tbh. This isn’t a British issue. This is happening all over Europe and further afield.

I am white but my now adult daughter isn't so I have experienced racism aimed at me (n- lover etc). There are a lot of things happening now that remind me of the years before ww2 but I'm not going to argue with you about it.

Well yes that would be preferable; but I can’t chain people up here can I? (Although there are some people I would like to chain up!).
My point is if we lose people with valuable skills to other countries, we don’t want to be letting in people with no talents.
Do you genuinely think that is unreasonable?

The OP has a skill, and multiple degrees.

What about the talent they are taking away from this country?
By your thinking they really should be using that talent here.

Agree. I think it’s a far better option for countries to adopt a point system like Canada and Australia, so we are only accepting people with the skills we need, and who aren’t going to be a drain on our finances here. I have relatives in Canada, and back about 20 years ago, applied to emigrate there. I failed on the points system, despite having a grandmother there, and an aunt who had actually offered me a job til I got settled. I was disappointed, but accepted that it is what it is, and I wasn’t someone they thought would bring any benefit to their country.

But for all of those countries they will only let you in if you have very specific skills that they want. So the Brit gets a new life and the country gets the talent it wants. Is this unreasonable?