Flags..

Do you feel uncomfortable seeing Spanish flags flown in Spain, for example?

I’m guessing probably not.

That list might be one of my favourite things I’ve ever read.

That list might be one of my favourite things I’ve ever read.

It’s not their natural “resting skin colour”, but the violent shade of puce they turn when they’re incandescent with rage at:

• Not being able to call Easter eggs Easter eggs
• Rainbow flags
• Brown people
• Avocados
• Non-dairy milks
• Refugees
• Working from home
• Electric vehicles
• Eid / Diwali
• Barbers shops
• Travellers
• Cyclists
• Gay & non-binary people
• The colour palette of BBC temperature charts
• Halal meat
• Net zero
• Wind turbines
• Accounts of historic bad behaviour by Britain
• Bins
• Single mothers
• Foreigners
• …etc

The reference to gammon stems from a Question Time episode from the Brexit years where the majority of those asking questions were middle-aged men, spitting fury at those dastardly Europeans (our closest neighbours and trading partners), who all were so worked up their skin took on a “funny tinge” as it were, the colour of what the Spanish call “Jamon”, the French call “Jambon” and which has been corrupted to “Gammon” by the English.

Their faces were posted on social media in an image which became known as the “Mur de Jambon” in French, which the English corrupted into “Wall of Gammon”.

And now the English right-wing claim that term is racist, despite it only referring to a temporary, transient skin colour during a moment of fury so intense it made both cardiac nurses and The Reaper sit forward in their chairs.

Sorry you’re right this was a racist being horrible to minorities away from a hotel. There are women in this one which IS outside a hotel on The Wirral, where none of the occupants have been accused of any wrongdoing whatsoever. However a white British man actually did rape several young girls in hotels in that area but these doctors and engineers don’t care about that.

Thanks. Despicable couple. But these weren't pictures of people attending the immigration protests; it's an entirely different story.

It’s not their natural “resting skin colour”, but the violent shade of puce they turn when they’re incandescent with rage at:

• Not being able to call Easter eggs Easter eggs
• Rainbow flags
• Brown people
• Avocados
• Non-dairy milks
• Refugees
• Working from home
• Electric vehicles
• Eid / Diwali
• Barbers shops
• Travellers
• Cyclists
• Gay & non-binary people
• The colour palette of BBC temperature charts
• Halal meat
• Net zero
• Wind turbines
• Accounts of historic bad behaviour by Britain
• Bins
• Single mothers
• Foreigners
• …etc

The reference to gammon stems from a Question Time episode from the Brexit years where the majority of those asking questions were middle-aged men, spitting fury at those dastardly Europeans (our closest neighbours and trading partners), who all were so worked up their skin took on a “funny tinge” as it were, the colour of what the Spanish call “Jamon”, the French call “Jambon” and which has been corrupted to “Gammon” by the English.

Their faces were posted on social media in an image which became known as the “Mur de Jambon” in French, which the English corrupted into “Wall of Gammon”.

And now the English right-wing claim that term is racist, despite it only referring to a temporary, transient skin colour during a moment of fury so intense it made both cardiac nurses and The Reaper sit forward in their chairs.

Of course it's a racist slur; it's referring to someone's skin colour in a derogatory fashion! You've only ever it heard used by white People to other white people?! It's the most popular left wing insult on mumsnet.

Of course it's a racist slur; it's referring to someone's skin colour in a derogatory fashion! You've only ever it heard used by white People to other white people?! It's the most popular left wing insult on mumsnet.

Here's the link to the Daily Mail photo/video.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15049341/Racist-couple-British-NHS-nurse-boat.html

I’m sorry, I don’t see how it can be a racist slur to call someone a ‘gammon’? It’s usually white people insulting other white people from what I’ve seen, so it can hardly be prejudice against their own skin colour? (I’m not defending the use of that insult by the way, I think it’s obnoxious and adds nothing to the point being made.)

One (the racist abusing a nurse in the park) was from the Daily Mail I believe, the others 2x posted by protestors themselves & 1x by Reform UK.

! Yes, I believe absolutely hate speech / slurs/insults derogatory language IS wrong - whether it comes from the left or right. My issue is the hypocrisy of the left who think nothing of dropping in ' gammon ' etc to their everyday language which in my mind, can be nothing less than a racist slur. But they don't see it at all. Alongside the well worn stereotypes of " fat, bald, toothless, beer swilling, thicko " who apparently, has no right to breathe the same air. Every time I see the coverage of the protests in the guardian or on the BBC, I'm presented with the same stereotypical images - it's clear as day to see, they'll never use images of middle aged woman who are also protesting. It's utter propaganda and the narrative of " fascist Britain " continues to be fed.

Funny how they're all so unflattering. Think the photographer needs a new vocation? Or could it be deliberate.... Pray tell, where did you source these from?

They show the middle aged women too

They show the middle aged women too

! Yes, I believe absolutely hate speech / slurs/insults derogatory language IS wrong - whether it comes from the left or right. My issue is the hypocrisy of the left who think nothing of dropping in ' gammon ' etc to their everyday language which in my mind, can be nothing less than a racist slur. But they don't see it at all. Alongside the well worn stereotypes of " fat, bald, toothless, beer swilling, thicko " who apparently, has no right to breathe the same air. Every time I see the coverage of the protests in the guardian or on the BBC, I'm presented with the same stereotypical images - it's clear as day to see, they'll never use images of middle aged woman who are also protesting. It's utter propaganda and the narrative of " fascist Britain " continues to be fed.

Well he apparently has one up in his own flat. Are the Left now accusing him of being a “flag shagger” and “thick” like they accuse others of.

Hmmmm, so you don't want to engage in discussion then? We could keep on posting the same things over and over on here about hate speech, but to what end? I do believe the " middle " is the voice of reason and from this position, debate can only be positive.

The trouble is, what actually counts as “hate speech”? I think some of the words used against protestors on here are extremely hateful. Do you accept that “hate speech” can occur on both sides?

Violence is not the right answer, but the frustration people feel at not being listened to was likely to overspill into violence.

Do you accept people have the right to protest if they feel frightened that large numbers of people are freely entering this country, where we have no idea who they are, what threats they represent? People who are using our resources? Perceived (rightly or wrongly) to being treated better than British citizens? To be coming from cultures with different beliefs and practices to those in Britain?

But not everyone does agree that hate language is wrong they feel it’s justified

as for your other question I will answer on threads about immigration and the impact of immigration

There are people on both sides of the political spectrum (and at times it’s not even about being more on the left or right) who have no interest in discussion

there are certainly those on the liberal side who are like this as there is on the right side

it’s those who are open to discussions and to listen who meed
to come together to move forward

this is nothing new just social media plays right into this

. Can we all agree that people shouting hate speech and using violence are absolutely wrong and move the conversation along then in that case?. What are some of your concerns about immigration?