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Elephant9 · 2025-08-28T12:46:45+00:00

Just a chat to understand what’s going on with the influx of England and UJ flags all over the streets? thoughts? where did it stem from? is it making you uncomfortable? (It is, me, but not entirely sure why)

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/09/2025 09:05

I do find it interesting when I hear people trying to change this into a “it’s an anti brown people” thing. For various reasons I have a lot of friends who are Hindu. They are amongst the most vocal people I know in respect of the influx of undocumented immigrants. Are they “anti brown people”?

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 08:42

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/09/2025 08:38

Who else do you want it applied to? I’ve heard it plenty before applied to the me. Of the UK when they stood up and fought those trying to change our way of life in the wars.

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That was in reference to conscription to actually fight in a war, which was actually happening at the time.

These are asylum seekers !

Brianthepug · 02/09/2025 08:40

Millytante · 28/08/2025 14:27

Dahling, hadn’t you heard? It’s ‘Shankill ✊🏼Chic’ this season in all the best places.

Absolutely love this description....😅😅

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/09/2025 08:38

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 08:35

You only ever hear this “fighting age” epithet applied to asylum seekers in order to add a fictional layer of imaginary threat and menace. It’s all part of painting them as bogeymen by racists.

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Who else do you want it applied to? I’ve heard it plenty before applied to the me. Of the UK when they stood up and fought those trying to change our way of life in the wars.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 08:35

SanityLeftTheChat · 02/09/2025 08:30

Thats your opinion which you are entitled to, just like I am mine. Doesn't mean you or I are right though.

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You only ever hear this “fighting age” epithet applied to asylum seekers in order to add a fictional layer of imaginary threat and menace. It’s all part of painting them as bogeymen by racists.

SanityLeftTheChat · 02/09/2025 08:34

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 08:31

It’s not the message coming across. At all. Either it’s not being clearly articulated, or it’s in a code which sounds awfully like racism.

https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1962474842478821861?s=46&t=DQJKfqwvtY_Gk17apQ6SAw

So one clip on X speaks for everyone does it?

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 08:31

It’s not the message coming across. At all. Either it’s not being clearly articulated, or it’s in a code which sounds awfully like racism.

https://x.com/i_ammukhtar/status/1962474842478821861?s=46&t=DQJKfqwvtY_Gk17apQ6SAw

SanityLeftTheChat · 02/09/2025 08:30

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 08:00

That term is loaded - suggests they’re here to cause violence. But you never see these muppets labelled “fighting age”…

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Thats your opinion which you are entitled to, just like I am mine. Doesn't mean you or I are right though.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/09/2025 08:08

R0ckandHardPlace · 02/09/2025 06:38

If we can step outside the bickering between both sides for a second, in short the message we’re hearing from those flying flags, attending rallies, protesting outside migrant hotels and shouting abuse at the residents, defacing signs and painting roundabouts is “We don’t want these people with brown skin in our country. They are an inferior race and not worthy of being here”.

That is Nazi party levels of shit and it terrifies a large proportion of our population.

No, that’s what you’re hearing because of your own prejudice. What I’m hearing is we don’t want a load of people who we have no idea who they are, who have come from countries with cultures very different to ours, who, given experience are very unlikely to successfully integrate, roaming our streets, using our resources and often getting preferential treatment to our own citizens. That is the message coming from protesters

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 08:00

SanityLeftTheChat · 02/09/2025 07:58

Well they arent children or pensioners are they.

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That term is loaded - suggests they’re here to cause violence. But you never see these muppets labelled “fighting age”…

SanityLeftTheChat · 02/09/2025 07:58

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 07:33

“fighting age”

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Well they arent children or pensioners are they.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 07:33

“fighting age”

🙄

SanityLeftTheChat · 02/09/2025 07:22

R0ckandHardPlace · 02/09/2025 06:38

If we can step outside the bickering between both sides for a second, in short the message we’re hearing from those flying flags, attending rallies, protesting outside migrant hotels and shouting abuse at the residents, defacing signs and painting roundabouts is “We don’t want these people with brown skin in our country. They are an inferior race and not worthy of being here”.

That is Nazi party levels of shit and it terrifies a large proportion of our population.

I can't say that's the message I'm hearing at all. The one I hear is we are not happy with the sheer volume of undocumented groups of fighting age men whose criminal history or even real identity we will never know being allowed to roam our streets. Nothing about sending 'brown' people or families home.

R0ckandHardPlace · 02/09/2025 06:38

If we can step outside the bickering between both sides for a second, in short the message we’re hearing from those flying flags, attending rallies, protesting outside migrant hotels and shouting abuse at the residents, defacing signs and painting roundabouts is “We don’t want these people with brown skin in our country. They are an inferior race and not worthy of being here”.

That is Nazi party levels of shit and it terrifies a large proportion of our population.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 01/09/2025 23:19

Daubing red lines on a mini-roundabout is a funny way of “being heard”.

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 23:15

HangryLikeTheHulk · 01/09/2025 22:59

No one’s setting the tone ? Right…

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. I just can't see what the point is of exchanging insults, other than a temporary release of pent up anger, it achieves nothing. Other than to harden attitudes and unfortunately, as is now very likely, send more people into the arms of reform. But if we don't put down our verbal weapons and stop demonizing people or engaging in culture wars, farage will be our new leader. Poorer communities in large cities are the most effected by immigration, they therefore deserve to be heard.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 01/09/2025 22:59

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 22:34

But no ones " setting the tone " that way, apart from you. No ones having to resort to insults and classist slurs here, apart from you. No ones labelling anyone, apart from you... Can't you see that you're part of the problem?

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No one’s setting the tone ? Right…

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 22:34

HangryLikeTheHulk · 01/09/2025 19:39

If they set the tone & terms for debate at that level I’ll respond in that way. Otherwise I’d be labelled “smug”, “holier-than-thou”, “virtue-signalling” and all the other horseshit you get labelled if you refuse to descend to their level.

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But no ones " setting the tone " that way, apart from you. No ones having to resort to insults and classist slurs here, apart from you. No ones labelling anyone, apart from you... Can't you see that you're part of the problem?

OhNoNotSusan · 01/09/2025 20:02

in answer to op question
yes they do make me feel uncomfortable

OhNoNotSusan · 01/09/2025 19:55

ilovesooty · 28/08/2025 14:02

There have been a lot of threads on this. Perhaps you'll find the information you're looking for on one or more of them.

this is the first thread i have seen

HangryLikeTheHulk · 01/09/2025 19:39

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 19:31

Then, why align yourself with racists? 🤷 it's just as bigoted, whichever direction you're coming from.

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If they set the tone & terms for debate at that level I’ll respond in that way. Otherwise I’d be labelled “smug”, “holier-than-thou”, “virtue-signalling” and all the other horseshit you get labelled if you refuse to descend to their level.

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 19:37

SleeplessInWherever · 01/09/2025 19:18

I can’t drink almond milk, and I’m not a huge fan of an avocado. Don’t mind bins, brown people or wind turbines.

I wouldn’t say I’m “incandescent with rage” about any of it. I reserve that for bigger problems than imaginary Easter egg debates.

Sometimes it’s about the strength of the reaction. I don’t like avocados, but I’ve never yelled at one.

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Mmmm, tis rather upsetting when they desecrate the humble Easter egg by hybriding it into some rectangular monstrosity though... M&s I'm looking at you. I'll give it to the cyclists round my way though, they're quite fond of a bell. Very considerate.

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 19:31

HangryLikeTheHulk · 01/09/2025 19:13

The EXACT terminology used by many racists to denigrate asylum seekers and immigrants. Not a coincidence I picked those words.

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Then, why align yourself with racists? 🤷 it's just as bigoted, whichever direction you're coming from.

SleeplessInWherever · 01/09/2025 19:18

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 19:07

Can you tick any off the list yourself? Cyclists are never very popular and avocados are definitely an acquired taste. If so, you are officially a gammon.

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I can’t drink almond milk, and I’m not a huge fan of an avocado. Don’t mind bins, brown people or wind turbines.

I wouldn’t say I’m “incandescent with rage” about any of it. I reserve that for bigger problems than imaginary Easter egg debates.

Sometimes it’s about the strength of the reaction. I don’t like avocados, but I’ve never yelled at one.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 01/09/2025 19:13

PeanutCup · 01/09/2025 18:33

And there you go again with your sneery "doctors and engineers " comment. Are they too working class for you? Too poor? Too disabled?

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The EXACT terminology used by many racists to denigrate asylum seekers and immigrants. Not a coincidence I picked those words.