Flags..

As I understand it, anyone who thinks that immigration is currently an issue that requires attention is a thick as pigshit gammon.

And it seems the best people who are very intelligent regularly call other human beings thick as pigshit gammon.

This seems correct, doesnt it.

I don't think there's much point in my continuing to respond to this. Have a pleasant day.

nobody objects to someone applying and being given legal access according to our laws.

That's not what I am talking about and you know it.

what do you mean. It's the actual illegals filming it themselves, showing everyone around their lovely hotel room and giving instructions on how to get to the UK.

It's not a british person doing it.

Oh I am angry at the goverment.

I have no problem with non british people coming here through LEGAL channels, working hard and integrating. Paying tax etc that benefits the country. Learning trades that benefit the country.

I am talking about these piss takers who are posting themselves on the internet gloating.

Meanwhile the police are arresting the UK citizens who are voicing objections.

it's all over Tik Tok and YouTube

Oh. OK then.

no it's the fault of our goverment who is not looking after his own people.

The young men in the boats are looking out for themselves. Can't blame them for that.

I mean if someone is a doormat then you give them a good kicking right. It's human nature.

Be angry at the government. Thank good for all the foreign healthcare workers in the NHS for doing their job because British people are either too lazy or to thick to do the job themselves.

it's all over tik tok and you tube. It was from a hotel in London but there are hotels all over with them. Many of them have security guards outside to protect them.

I mean how arrogant do you have to be to be milking the UK gravy train and actually record it and put it on the internet gloating and laughing showing how nice it all is and encouraging more of your fellow young man to join them cos the UK is fuckin pushover.

The UK is built on immigration, the only reason we are here today is because our ancestors came from mainland Europe. Everyone in the UK came from somewhere else. Our species originated in Africa, spread to Europe then eventually the UK. We’re all immigrants. Anyone with a brain cell should be able to understand that.

And all these situations are the fault of asylum seekers?

Where was this lovely, luxurious hotel room?

Hands up anyone who is waiting on a hospital appointment.

Hands up anyone who's child is waiting to access mental health services.

Hands up anyone who's child has additional needs and doesn't have a place in a special school for them

Hands up anyone who's kid has left school but can't get a job

Hands up anyone who is in rented accomodation with no hope of getting your own home.

Hands up anyone who is struggling to pay bills while working full time.

Hands up anyone who has needed an ambulance recently and got told it would be 6 hours.

Hands up anyone who has gone to A&E because they couldn't get a GP appointment only to find out it is chaos cos nobody can get a doctors appointment.

Hands up anyone who's car has banged down into a pothole this week

Hands up anyone who's council cut the grass so rarely that they are constantly wading through overgrown grass.

Hands up anyone who's food bill is going up and up to the point it is really worrying you.

Hands up anyone who has been robbed/assaulted/hurt and has called the police only to be told they have nobody to send out because they are so short staffed.

Now go and watch the young men lounging about their paid for 4 star hotel rooms, laughing about how easy and great their life is now they have reached the paradise that is the UK. The country which gives them more rights than those of it's own citizens. I don't think they can believe their luck.

What is 'far right' about wanting a goverment who looks after and prioritizes his own people?

I call it the most basic job any goverment should do. Make sure your own british people are housed, have good education, have good medical access, are protected by a well funded police force from those that would hurt us.

This week I tried to get my first doctors appointment in a long time. Found out I can't get one. I can phone up every day and beg alongside the other 100 people who also can't get one (you know sort of like a refugee begging for a bowl of rice). That's certainly how it has made me feel anyway. I've given up because it seems hopeless. I'm not going to A&E cos it's not an emergency more of a long term issue affecting my quality of life thing. I can get a private appointment for £120 for 20 minutes (before cost of treatment/drugs etc)

Meanwhile I am watching on various social media as foreign young men gloat, yes GLOAT over the internet at the luxurious life they are having showing others the lovely hotel room they have with free food and access to doctors and dentists. They are giving step by step instructions to their fellow young men on how to get here and join the gravy train.

I am white, british, university education, professional career and I am fucking raging.

We are being made complete mugs of.

There is a big difference between a young man coming with no education from a country where men rule woman to ride the UK gravy train and a polish/whatever family relocating here through the correct channels, buying a house, working in a job and integrating into the community and having children.

I feel like buying a giant flag and flying it outside my house but I don't think it would achieve anything but I totally understand those who are.

Isn't it strange how they pass through France and many other countries to get here but don't stay in any of them. Why. I mean it's safe in France. Why risk your life in a small boat to get to the UK. Well the french goverment is giving them far less rights, far less luxurious accomodation than the UK. So no they are not happy just to be in a safe country, they want the UK gravy train.

Agree. My neighbours have always flown a flag - it looks naff but not much I can do about it. They’ve now added another England flag and a Union Jack to the mix so I’m definitely thinking they’re massive racists.

We’ve always been allowed. Nobody of any ethnic minority has ever made me feel like I can’t fly a flag. However the fact that most flag wavers are racist knobbers that use it more to signify what they hate rather than pride in their country, means the very people that want us to fly the flag with pride are also the ones that make me a bit ashamed of it.

I love this!

But they're not. Nobody is bothered about an English flag flying, they're really not. People have actually got real issues to worry about.

Obviously the issue with the new fad of flag flying and roundabout painting is different because it's being done by racist simpletons egged on by racist grifters, but other than that nobody gives a fuck about the flag.

It was you saying “nobody is really bothered about the English flag flying” that led me in that direction….

Why? I don’t think the Union flag is racist, unless it’s being used for racist reasons.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of your country, but jingoism and nationalistic superiority is wrong. I’m proud of many aspects of my Englishness, but I don’t think we’re better than anyone else. I don’t think that foreign people are inferior or not good enough to be here, which is the message the far-right are sending out with their hijacking of our national flags to enact a hate campaign against anyone with brown skin.

Ibby (the imam of the mosque) is making the point that they are British born and bred too. It is also their flag. Something which seems to have escaped the knuckledraggers.

According to your train of thought then the person in the mosque must be racist too.

But that’s defacing someone’s banner. That’s not people raising flags.

I don’t think anyone denies that there have always been racists. Attempting to smear everyone who wants a conversation about immigration and wants to normalise having pride in our nation again as a racist is not going to help.

There has been a slowly growing national narrative, apparently driven by some on the left that it is shameful, racist and/or colonialist to have pride in our country and want to prioritise our values. This harms us as a country and destroys our sense of society.

Our local mosque has put a massive Union flag in the window themselves. Beating the racists at their own game! 😂

That’s a very extreme assumption.

Lots of people are putting up flags for a number of reasons, including women’s sport - they are not all ‘vile racist’.

Your use of that language is why these conversations keep coming back. As well as being delighted to support women’s rugby, I want our government to regain control of our borders, do more about the small boats/hotels situation and manage immigration more effectively. I am not a ‘vile racist’ in wanting more transparency and control.