Flags..

Why do I need to be specific? Are you expecting me to dox myself and reveal my location along details of victims names? What is your agenda there? Maybe you should just take people's word as you expect us to take your word that these are all hard working intelligent men who plan on boosting the economy. No further action was taken as the parents were strongly advised by the police to 'keep quiet' to prevent repercussions. Now if that isn't covering things up I don't know what is.

OK so you've done your research to show cases of white British people committing crimes, in particular sexual assault. The big difference here is they are prosecuted for it. I've never said white men don't commit crimes at any point, but do we really want to allowing more people to enter the country who will do that and in most cases never even be charged with anything. You are entitled to your opinion and it's clear you will never agree with anything else. I just pray that you or someone you know never becomes a victim at the hands of one of the hotel residents.

I’m amazed any local council have the money to buy flag poles when they seem to be struggling to fund essential services like bin collections, respite care and support mandated by EHPC reports. I’d be questioning them on that if I was local. Surely they have better things to spend tax payers money on?

Our local council has been posting on their social media abut how great it is to see so many flags and how they are now offering help with buying flag poles for community groups. I get the logic that enabling people to display them properly may reduce the numbers being put all over and in unsafe places and waffling about how great they look will also appease a rather vocal group of people. However, I really think it's concerning that this suggests support for operation raise the colours which is not acceptable for a council in an inclusive, modern Britain. They will be hearing from me about it.

I haven’t said I think it’s more important than teenage girls being sexually assaulted and covered up by the authorities. I don’t. I think all attacks should be investigated and the perpetrators dealt with. I believe the perpetrators of the Rotherham assaults weren’t asylum seekers??? They were of Pakistan heritage

in 2010 there was a grooming gang in Cornwall, all white men (and one woman). 30 kids abused. Didn’t get as much media or public attention.

It’s hard to say for sure what the ethnic background of the majority of perpetrators overall, nationwide are.

bbc article said
A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black.”

it does seem that a lot of people assume it’s always men of certain ethnic groups when that isn’t the case.

the Bolton grooming gang, all look white to me. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89g293zj2ko

it’s nearly all men though. I’d say that men are the issue. Not Filipino nurses or the owners of Chinese take aways.

Why also do you seem to use the phrase may of may not have done when referring to hotel residents incidents

purely because you haven’t been specific about what incidents you’re talking about. So I don’t know what has or hasn’t been done. Maybe it’s true, maybe it’s social media fear mongering. 🤷‍♀️. You need to be specific.

the police should have followed up and dealt with the incident of the person you know. Bizarre that there was no crime ref number, no investigation. Have the parents complained? Gone to the press?

I have seen several cases of immigrant men being charged and convicted of sexual offences. Are those the ones people are talking about? Lot is there evidence of others?

Why? Bet the knuckle dragger who did this enjoys a good Chinese takeaway..

I'd be interested to hear why you think that is more important than teenage girls being sexually assaulted then it being covered up by the authorities. I'm in no way condoning those attacks you have mentioned in any way but why should this be publicised and the assailants vilified when incidents against British women and children are swept under the carpet daily. Why also do you seem to use the phrase may of may not have done when referring to hotel residents incidents. Do you not believe they happen or do you just want to ignore them till it's on your doorstep and happening to someone you know? I personally know of a young girl who was assaulted whilst waiting for a bus home from school after staying behind for exam revision session. She was surrounded by a group of males in a public place and touched inappropriately and forced to touch them whilst being threatened with a knife. When her parents reported it to the police they were simply told it will be dealt with. No crime reference number was issued, no follow ups done.

Feel free to discuss any incident you want. Go on, please do. But I’d be interested first of all to hear what you think about the nurse getting beaten up and told to fuck off back on her dinghy.

Or are you saying two wrongs deserve a right? Are you saying a Filipino nurse deserves to get beaten up because of what some unrelated hotel resident may or may not have done?

I have no problem with flags everywhere, but do wish they use a stencil. Some of the painting looks really crap.

Should we discuss all the incidents with hotel residents that have been caught on film? Or are people still trying to pretend they don't happen? There is a hell of a lot of racism present on this thread but only towards white British people.

But the flags are emboldening the racists. People are thinking it’s acceptable to tell people to “go back to where they came from”

And then you get incidents like what’s happened this week in Halifax where an nhs nurse of Filipino descent has been beaten in a park by a white couple who were screaming at her to get back on her fucking rubber dinghy. All captured on mobile phone.

a friend of mine confronted two blokes in town yesterday who were ranting at non white people to go back to where they came from. Again she filmed it all.

the amount of racist abuse and attacks in the last few weeks has rocketed

Patriotism is love of country, a sense of belonging and pride that can live alongside honest criticism and the wish to make it better.

Nationalism (the flag thing) is different: it elevates the nation above others, often in exclusionary ways, demanding loyalty and rejecting criticism. One is rooted in affection and responsibility, the other in superiority and division.

I hope so too. I would have done, but frankly I was too scared.

WTF?? Hope someone got that on film.

It’s not ignorance, we all live in our own bubbles. You know as well as I do that the working class bubble can be small.

I wasn’t looking for that information in my early 20s, and it wasn’t being made available to me.

Many of the flag people are the same concerned citizens as last year’s riots, in a movement endorsed by the same public figures. It’s an insult to anyone’s intelligence to suggest otherwise.

Define patriotism

They look threatening

why do they look threatening?

There are foreign looking people in my home town hanging around. They’re not speaking English, they aren’t white, they have deliveroo and just eat bags. I’m assuming they are probably immigrants of some sort, I see them coming and going from the hotel round the corner where asylum seekers are based.

I don’t feel threatened by them. They haven’t approached me for money. The only people who ask me for money are the white English “homeless” people in shop doorways.

I volunteer for a homeless charity in the town by the way, I wonder how many of the people suddenly concerned that immigrants get housing over “our homeless “ volunteer.

also asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants. It’s legal to claim asylum. 1951 refugee convention. Around half of asylum applications are granted, so they must have had a reason for being allowed to stay. Many others win their appeals. I do agree the process should be quicker and people who aren’t granted asylum should be made to leave.

You like seeing the England flag being flown with the sole racist purpose of intimidating people?
Oh lovely.

I’m not angry at you love! I’m angry that when things were happening to children in this country, not just Rotherham (you’d have to be really ignorant to not have heard of Rochdale or any other of the towns!) you were all nowhere to be seen. None of you are willing to be seen now either. I’d hazard a guess that 99% of the people on this thread didn’t do anything. But shouting about flags and racism is easy isn’t it? It’s hypocritical.

Nowhere have I said rioting outside hotels or setting stuff on fire is acceptable, it isn’t. But that’s not what a flag is doing id it? Incidentally, I don’t have a flag either!

I’m from Rotherham. Still live here now.

Please ignore the poster trying to shame you. You absolutely do not have to explain yourself.

You read and understood what I said.

What’s with the anger? You seem deeply offended that I’m not from your exact postcode.

I’m not a traitor to the people of Rotherham for not believing that it’s acceptable to shouty march outside of hotels and set stuff on fire.

It isn’t, end of story.

Campaigned. As I have done since it happened to me. Girls being abused is, what shall I say, very close to my heart, after what I went through. I think you’re getting yourself in a muddle tho - which white, British grooming gang, were protected by police, social services, local and national government because of racial tensions and community cohesion? Which is still ongoing.

At 24 years old, you weren’t aware of 1400 girls being raped and worse in just one town alone? Not the rest of the towns with the same issues up and down the country? Not one little nugget of information about it? Social Media was a thing then yeah? I wonder why that is. What have you done since about it still happening?

Have you publicly supported Sammy Woodhouse, another of Rotherham’s victims, who had a child with her rapist. He was one of the few who went to prison for it, in her campaign to stop fathers of children born to rape being able to be granted parental responsibility like what he did? Surely you have publicly supported that? Or would that be racist too?

This.

There are 3 of us in my house. If you filled my fridge with food (which isn’t how they’re fed, they’re given essentially bread and rice) and then £27… we’d be skint within the day.

They’re absolutely not welcomed in with luxury.

And what did YOU do when ten times as many girls were being abused by white British men?