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Elephant9 · 28/08/2025 13:46

Just a chat to understand what’s going on with the influx of England and UJ flags all over the streets?

thoughts?
where did it stem from?
is it making you uncomfortable? (It is, me, but not entirely sure why)

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YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 30/08/2025 19:39

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:35

Exactly. There are a lot of questionable posts from a few posters on here. And hilariously ironic, and disingenuous. Also nasty and rude to other posters who don't agree with them, insulting and bashing them.

The 'kind' and 'compassionate' left strikes again. 😆 As I said, the irony is breathtaking.

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BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:37
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YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 30/08/2025 19:36

PeanutCup · 30/08/2025 19:32

From someone taking an anti - racist position, your choice of words are strangely delivering quite the opposite. " foreign looking" - what do you mean? " speaking another language " - that's indicative of a multicultural society surely, and doesn't carry any bearing on nationality? " working for uber eats" - are you saying only specific ethnicities are employed? Do you mean speaking ' pashto or dari? They're the official languages of Afghanistan, not " Afghanistani " .hth.

it’s all about context isn’t it, you’ve conveniently left out the bit where I said they live in the hotel which houses asylum seekers. It’s the overall picture. Being “brown” myself I’m very well aware that the colour of your skin doesn’t make you foreign. I’ve said so myself either on this thread previously or another similar one. You’re right though I have no idea what the languages of Afghanistan are called, I know they’re from Afghanistan as one of the (afghanistani) taxi drivers told me.

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:35

PeanutCup · 30/08/2025 19:32

From someone taking an anti - racist position, your choice of words are strangely delivering quite the opposite. " foreign looking" - what do you mean? " speaking another language " - that's indicative of a multicultural society surely, and doesn't carry any bearing on nationality? " working for uber eats" - are you saying only specific ethnicities are employed? Do you mean speaking ' pashto or dari? They're the official languages of Afghanistan, not " Afghanistani " .hth.

Exactly. There are a lot of questionable posts from a few posters on here. And hilariously ironic, and disingenuous. Also nasty and rude to other posters who don't agree with them, insulting and bashing them.

The 'kind' and 'compassionate' left strikes again. 😆 As I said, the irony is breathtaking.

SleeplessInWherever · 30/08/2025 19:34

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:32

Nah, it'll have been a racist IMO.

Fixed that for you. Smile

No need really, we’re on a forum - they’re all just opinions unless people are quite obviously stating figures, research or other documents like articles etc etc.

I think most people can work out what an opinion is without help.

PeanutCup · 30/08/2025 19:32

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 30/08/2025 19:20

I did spell it out that they live in the hotel housing asylum seekers, combined with their obvious ethnic origin, speaking Afghanistani, working for uber eats I’m pretty sure from the fact they weren’t born in the uk. I’m not racist enough unlike some to think that because someone is Asian, black, Filipino, etc that they’re not British.

From someone taking an anti - racist position, your choice of words are strangely delivering quite the opposite. " foreign looking" - what do you mean? " speaking another language " - that's indicative of a multicultural society surely, and doesn't carry any bearing on nationality? " working for uber eats" - are you saying only specific ethnicities are employed? Do you mean speaking ' pashto or dari? They're the official languages of Afghanistan, not " Afghanistani " .hth.

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:32

SleeplessInWherever · 30/08/2025 19:29

Nah, it’ll have been a racist.

Nah, it'll have been a racist IMO.

Fixed that for you. Smile

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 30/08/2025 19:31

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BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:30

I could post a myriad of examples of left wing violence and aggression and vandalism towards people who don't think like them, but I CBA. Too many to choose from @YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt Cheers for that random example though. 👏

SleeplessInWherever · 30/08/2025 19:29

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:18

Hmmmm, maybe I am a bit of a sceptic, but I do wonder if a member of the far left has done that just to discredit the people who want to fly England flags, ya know, just to cause problems and discord? Wink

With the way some of them have been talking on threads like this, it wouldn't surprise me...

Nah, it’ll have been a racist.

Nopenousername · 30/08/2025 19:24

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BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:21

....... Wink

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 30/08/2025 19:20

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:11

'Foreign looking people?'

The irony is breathtaking !!!

You couldn't make it up! 😆

I did spell it out that they live in the hotel housing asylum seekers, combined with their obvious ethnic origin, speaking Afghanistani, working for uber eats I’m pretty sure from the fact they weren’t born in the uk. I’m not racist enough unlike some to think that because someone is Asian, black, Filipino, etc that they’re not British.

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:18

SleeplessInWherever · 30/08/2025 19:05

A PP has recently posted an image of a Chinese takeaway, with racial abuse painted onto it, and an instruction to go home.

Expressing love for their country. Pull the other.

Hmmmm, maybe I am a bit of a sceptic, but I do wonder if a member of the far left has done that just to discredit the people who want to fly England flags, ya know, just to cause problems and discord? Wink

With the way some of them have been talking on threads like this, it wouldn't surprise me...

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:17

FuckOffWithYourEllipses · 30/08/2025 17:26

WTF?? Hope someone got that on film.

I bet no-one got this 'incident' on film.'

BatchCookBabe · 30/08/2025 19:11

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 30/08/2025 17:14

They look threatening

why do they look threatening?

There are foreign looking people in my home town hanging around. They’re not speaking English, they aren’t white, they have deliveroo and just eat bags. I’m assuming they are probably immigrants of some sort, I see them coming and going from the hotel round the corner where asylum seekers are based.

I don’t feel threatened by them. They haven’t approached me for money. The only people who ask me for money are the white English “homeless” people in shop doorways.

I volunteer for a homeless charity in the town by the way, I wonder how many of the people suddenly concerned that immigrants get housing over “our homeless “ volunteer.

also asylum seekers aren’t illegal immigrants. It’s legal to claim asylum. 1951 refugee convention. Around half of asylum applications are granted, so they must have had a reason for being allowed to stay. Many others win their appeals. I do agree the process should be quicker and people who aren’t granted asylum should be made to leave.

'Foreign looking people?'

The irony is breathtaking !!!

You couldn't make it up! 😆

CurlewKate · 30/08/2025 19:06

@SanityLeftTheChatdo you have evidence that immigrants aren’t prosecuted for sexual assaults?

SleeplessInWherever · 30/08/2025 19:05

BlueJuniper94 · 30/08/2025 18:57

Where is the evidence it is about superiority? Genuine question. I'm not sure what you mean by demanding loyalty either. I'm sure there are extreme outliers, as there are in every movement and it is not fair to use these extremes to malign the majority. However, the flag people - for want of a better term, are expressing a love for their country, in what way is this irresponsible

A PP has recently posted an image of a Chinese takeaway, with racial abuse painted onto it, and an instruction to go home.

Expressing love for their country. Pull the other.

ilovesooty · 30/08/2025 19:00

SanityLeftTheChat · 30/08/2025 18:38

Why do I need to be specific? Are you expecting me to dox myself and reveal my location along details of victims names? What is your agenda there? Maybe you should just take people's word as you expect us to take your word that these are all hard working intelligent men who plan on boosting the economy. No further action was taken as the parents were strongly advised by the police to 'keep quiet' to prevent repercussions. Now if that isn't covering things up I don't know what is.

OK so you've done your research to show cases of white British people committing crimes, in particular sexual assault. The big difference here is they are prosecuted for it. I've never said white men don't commit crimes at any point, but do we really want to allowing more people to enter the country who will do that and in most cases never even be charged with anything. You are entitled to your opinion and it's clear you will never agree with anything else. I just pray that you or someone you know never becomes a victim at the hands of one of the hotel residents.

Where did she say that asylum seekers were all hard working intelligent men who plan on boosting the economy?

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 30/08/2025 18:58

SanityLeftTheChat · 30/08/2025 18:38

Why do I need to be specific? Are you expecting me to dox myself and reveal my location along details of victims names? What is your agenda there? Maybe you should just take people's word as you expect us to take your word that these are all hard working intelligent men who plan on boosting the economy. No further action was taken as the parents were strongly advised by the police to 'keep quiet' to prevent repercussions. Now if that isn't covering things up I don't know what is.

OK so you've done your research to show cases of white British people committing crimes, in particular sexual assault. The big difference here is they are prosecuted for it. I've never said white men don't commit crimes at any point, but do we really want to allowing more people to enter the country who will do that and in most cases never even be charged with anything. You are entitled to your opinion and it's clear you will never agree with anything else. I just pray that you or someone you know never becomes a victim at the hands of one of the hotel residents.

Don’t be silly. I don’t want you to reveal your location. I assumed you were talking about stuff which has been reported in the media…which you’d be able to discuss without “doxxing yourself”. Guess it’s all just social media unsubstantiated gossip then….i can’t comment about made up stuff, or stuff you refuse to tell me what you’re actually talking about.

so there we are. Notice you still haven’t commented on the Filipino nurse incident 👍

I haven’t said anything about them all being hard working men planning on boosting the economy. You’ve totally made that up.

have to say I don’t think much of the parents you “know” if they’ve agreed to drop pushing for prosecution of someone who has sexually assaulted their daughter to prevent repercussions. Surely they’d be creating hell, even anonymously creating hell via a journalist.

Believe me there are plenty of white men who aren’t prosecuted for sexual assaults and rapes. Even more who aren’t found guilty even when the evidence seems overwhelming. Ched Evans springs to mind. We should be protesting about this wider issue rather than focusing on the race of the perpetrators of different crimes.

BlueJuniper94 · 30/08/2025 18:57

HangryLikeTheHulk · 30/08/2025 17:40

Patriotism is love of country, a sense of belonging and pride that can live alongside honest criticism and the wish to make it better.

Nationalism (the flag thing) is different: it elevates the nation above others, often in exclusionary ways, demanding loyalty and rejecting criticism. One is rooted in affection and responsibility, the other in superiority and division.

Where is the evidence it is about superiority? Genuine question. I'm not sure what you mean by demanding loyalty either. I'm sure there are extreme outliers, as there are in every movement and it is not fair to use these extremes to malign the majority. However, the flag people - for want of a better term, are expressing a love for their country, in what way is this irresponsible

R0ckandHardPlace · 30/08/2025 18:39

Grooming gangs have existed in the UK for decades. Young children have always been preyed upon by paedophile gangs, while the authorities have turned a blind eye.

I grew up in care in the 1980s. You wouldn’t believe how many of my peers I saw being groomed. They’d get a new (much older, white) boyfriend who’d ply them with gifts and alcohol. Before you knew it they were being pimped out and addicted to heroin.

The police knew. Social services knew. Nobody did a thing to help them. There were no protests. But suddenly, when the perpetrators are Asian, people at last give a shit.

Believe me, child exploitation is NOT new and it is NOT a race issue.