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To think that if you cancel on the day with the NHS, you should be put to the bottom of the list?

507 replies

SaltAirAndTheRust · 28/08/2025 13:07

Unless you have a good reason of course!

I’ve just started and I’m in my first week, in this week we’ve had multiple cancel due to nerves or just not turning up. Seeing the amount of work that gets them to this point, it’s staggering! I just can’t get my head around it

OP posts:
ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/09/2025 12:46

I agree about the taxis. I found out years ago that they all vanish around school time & basically you're stuffed.

More appreciation of people's difficulties from some on this thread would be welcome. Although I only had to drive my own car for 20-30 minutes each way for my radiotherapy appointments, some people I overheard in the waiting room lived the other side of the county & had to get bus-train-bus to get to & from the hospital every day for weeks. Luckily the cancer team at that hospital were fantastic.

Taztoy · 01/09/2025 10:16

Oldwmn · 01/09/2025 10:09

That does make sense & is understandable. It explains why you just cannot book/call a taxi for anything here during those times. However, when smarty pants people say 'Why, just get a taxi!', it demonstrates a complete & utter lack of knowledge of most of the country outside cities. This is why you get threads like this, full of finger wagging complacency without even a smidgeon of knowledge of how things are for most people.
Transport & administration are an absolute mess & pile on the anxiety for sick people. Perhaps the OP will do a couple more weeks in her job & start to see that life is not as straightforward as she so smugly believes.

There isn’t even a taxi in the village here to call. So if I need a taxi one’s coming from 20mins away before it even starts.

Oldwmn · 01/09/2025 10:09

notedbiscuits · 31/08/2025 22:35

It’s because SEN children have places at schools miles away. Have a friend who has her youngest DS that goes to a SEN school which is 15 miles away and has a taxi. Very few kids go to these schools by mini bus as all the kids live in all corners of the county

That does make sense & is understandable. It explains why you just cannot book/call a taxi for anything here during those times. However, when smarty pants people say 'Why, just get a taxi!', it demonstrates a complete & utter lack of knowledge of most of the country outside cities. This is why you get threads like this, full of finger wagging complacency without even a smidgeon of knowledge of how things are for most people.
Transport & administration are an absolute mess & pile on the anxiety for sick people. Perhaps the OP will do a couple more weeks in her job & start to see that life is not as straightforward as she so smugly believes.

ManteesRock · 31/08/2025 23:01

SaltAirAndTheRust · 28/08/2025 13:20

Letters do get sent.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 yeah! I received a much awaited for appointment for my son last week it was for an appointment on August 1st it was dated August 5th; on the same day as I received the appointment letter I also I received a letter saying that because we hadn't attended then we risked being referred back to the GP. I then got a letter for an appointment in September the same day I had a phonecall cancelling it "because of staff illness" I wish I could plan my illnesses a month in advance!

notedbiscuits · 31/08/2025 22:35

Oldwmn · 31/08/2025 19:40

Haha, what's a taxi? Between 8-10am & 2-5 in our town, you cannot get a bloody taxi. You can't even book one because 'school run'. Why they need so many vehicles is beyond me. The one man bands are off doing airport runs.
There are buses to our hospital but god knows why because, in spite of my living 3 minutes walk from mine, everything I have had to attend is 30-50 miles away with all the attendant expense. The winter fuel allowance won't cover how much I've spent this year. Glib comments like this really piss me off. It's a complicated, poorly integrated system all round.

It’s because SEN children have places at schools miles away. Have a friend who has her youngest DS that goes to a SEN school which is 15 miles away and has a taxi. Very few kids go to these schools by mini bus as all the kids live in all corners of the county

Oldwmn · 31/08/2025 19:40

Ownyourchoices · 31/08/2025 08:44

Taxi?

Haha, what's a taxi? Between 8-10am & 2-5 in our town, you cannot get a bloody taxi. You can't even book one because 'school run'. Why they need so many vehicles is beyond me. The one man bands are off doing airport runs.
There are buses to our hospital but god knows why because, in spite of my living 3 minutes walk from mine, everything I have had to attend is 30-50 miles away with all the attendant expense. The winter fuel allowance won't cover how much I've spent this year. Glib comments like this really piss me off. It's a complicated, poorly integrated system all round.

Hazyjinty · 31/08/2025 19:40

Do you not think anxiety is a real reason, what about other mental health issues, or chronic issues that would make you too ill on the day?

Oldwmn · 31/08/2025 19:28

taxguru · 31/08/2025 15:39

Like a lot of things, people living in London and other big cities simply don't understand the realities of life in smaller cities, towns and rural areas. Plenty of places still don't have Uber! In my town, you can be waiting 2/3 hours if you ring for a taxi at busy times. Even the taxi ranks at bus and train stations are often empty and you have to wait ages for one to come.

This!

Louisa58 · 31/08/2025 18:56

KellySeveride · 31/08/2025 18:32

Yes this is true. However my consultant has had leave approved with 1 weeks notice. The consultants run the place in our trust and if they ask for last minute leave it often gets granted 🤷‍♀️

Wow. I could understand in a family emergency, illness (inc mental health reasons), etc but for no good reason apparent that’s the first I’ve heard of that. I know trusts can vary depending on circumstances beyond general policy. Interesting.

KellySeveride · 31/08/2025 18:32

Louisa58 · 31/08/2025 18:01

Doctors have to give 6 weeks minimum notice of any leave planned be it personal or study leave (conferences etc) in order for clinics to be rescheduled or other colleagues asked (if available) to step in.
I am sorry to hear of what you’ve and are going through. Wishing you all the best for a good outcome. x

Yes this is true. However my consultant has had leave approved with 1 weeks notice. The consultants run the place in our trust and if they ask for last minute leave it often gets granted 🤷‍♀️

Louisa58 · 31/08/2025 18:01

Oldwmn · 30/08/2025 13:26

I think you're right because I have only ever had an apology once for a cancelled appt. I was about to board the train on the day & they cancelled because two people on the team were sick - I received effusive apologies for that and they remade very quickly. Quite different from the day surgery that was cancelled (again, in a hospital miles from me) smashing up all the many arrangements that I & my daughter had put in place. The reason? I had to have another procedure first in another hospital, also miles away which no one had ever mentioned to me. Not a single sorry to had. My time (& shredded nerves) is of absolutely no interest to them.
So, yes, patient no shows are bad but I seriously doubt that they are all just slackers who can't be arsed and you can hardly be surprised if it triggers stories like mine & others. For nearly two years I've undergone two cancer investigations, one came to nothing & other was diagnosed & I'm just in the last part of treatment now (I hope🤞). But the endless chopping & changing, cancelled train journeys, cancelled hotel bookings can't have been doing me any good.
I must say that, when it comes down to the actual treatment, everything has been excellent & the staff brilliant. It's just the appointments mechanism that needs a hard look at. A friend of mine had an op cancelled because the surgeon was on holiday - surely his holiday would have been in a diary at the time the date was proposed?
I'll shut up now.

Doctors have to give 6 weeks minimum notice of any leave planned be it personal or study leave (conferences etc) in order for clinics to be rescheduled or other colleagues asked (if available) to step in.
I am sorry to hear of what you’ve and are going through. Wishing you all the best for a good outcome. x

taxguru · 31/08/2025 15:39

DisabledDemon · 31/08/2025 15:28

Oh, for Christ's sake! How many more times have I got to state that there wasn't one available?

Like a lot of things, people living in London and other big cities simply don't understand the realities of life in smaller cities, towns and rural areas. Plenty of places still don't have Uber! In my town, you can be waiting 2/3 hours if you ring for a taxi at busy times. Even the taxi ranks at bus and train stations are often empty and you have to wait ages for one to come.

DisabledDemon · 31/08/2025 15:28

Ownyourchoices · 31/08/2025 08:44

Taxi?

Oh, for Christ's sake! How many more times have I got to state that there wasn't one available?

Askingforafriendtoday · 31/08/2025 14:26

Care is non-judgmental based on need so no I don't think that approach is reasonable, multiple reasons for cancelling on the day

Purplebunnie · 31/08/2025 13:03

ErinBell01 · 31/08/2025 01:16

Yes you need to check up and chase them up if you don't get a letter when promised. Husband was told by doctor he'd refer him to hospital. He didn't get a letter so eventually succumbed to my nagging and phoned hospital. They'd never received referral from GP, who eventually admitted he'd forgotten to make the referral!

I was also referred to gastroenterology for a scan in January - I've seen the referral. Gastroenterology have sent a letter to my GP saying they will send me a letter - I've never seen it and I'm currently chasing the secretaries to find out what is in the letter. They don't answer the phone and you have to leave a message. I'd left it this long as I know there are waiting lists and I didn't want to hassle.

Dontcallmescarface · 31/08/2025 10:32

TigerRag · 31/08/2025 09:34

Which not everyone can afford

Yep. Return trip by taxi to the nearest A&E from where I live is £94.

TigerRag · 31/08/2025 09:34

Ownyourchoices · 31/08/2025 08:44

Taxi?

Which not everyone can afford

Ownyourchoices · 31/08/2025 08:44

DisabledDemon · 28/08/2025 13:18

Some days it's unavoidable. I was due a scan - came out to get in the car and the brake warning light came on. Was the car safe to drive? I didn't know and called out the AA. It was half an hour before my appointment but couldn't take the risk.

I cancelled the appointment and as it turned out, the brakes needed doing. It would have been safe to drive a few miles up the road but I couldn't know that. Fortunately, I've got an appointment reset for next month.

Should I be penalised for that? I was being careful.

Taxi?

Simonjt · 31/08/2025 07:27

ifIwerenotanandroid · 30/08/2025 17:41

I've been marked down as DNA a couple of times. Once when I informed the hospital weeks in advance that I no longer needed the appointment - but they ignored it. Once when I missed an appointment because I turned up on the day I'd booked for, only to find they'd put it in their system as several days before the day I asked for (& yes, I know I was right because they'd confirmed my chosen date, even though they'd put the wrong one in).

Why should I be fined for either of those? That's why it would be unfair - not that unfairness is a bar to implementing something stupid.

I’ve had this a few times as well, where I used to live the trust were supposed to text you an appointment where you opened a link to say if you could attend. I never received a text, I would get the appointment via letter and spend hours trying to cancel it but no one answered the phone, if you went to the hospital in person they wouldn’t cancel for you as you could only do that by phone.

I once turned up for an operation only to be told I had arrived on the wrong day and as fhe receptionist was ranting at me for wasting NHS resources and being incredibly rude I showed her my letter confirming I had arrived on the correct day, she told me it was still my fault as I should have phoned them. I had phoned them, as I needed to clarify something and I wasn’t informed of any date change during that phone call. I was then discharged from their services and had to be referred again by the GP and have all the tests, consultations etc again.

Blueberry911 · 31/08/2025 07:26

Doone22 · 30/08/2025 10:44

I can't believe half the replies on here. Are you all so thick you don't understand that a major factor in wait times and operating delays are due to arseholes not attending their appointments? And that's not even looking at the costs, all of which could be better spent.
And yes of course there are occasions when someone is ill or breaks down or whatever but in most cases it's people being disorganised, forgetting the appointment, double booking, etc and then just too lazy to admit mistake and phone to cancel . And as for unnecessary appointments all NHS services have a patient protocol to follow and if you don't want your appointment just bloody say so. It's not difficult.
Very few letters are delayed or lost in post these days and that's why they all do text messages where possible.
If I ever need urgent appointment for anything I just phone every now and again asking if they've got any cancellations and I always get an earlier slot. It would be helpful to have an online clearing system for people to use in this respect, like universities use to fill up their places.

If I ever need urgent appointment for anything I just phone every now and again asking if they've got any cancellations and I always get an earlier slot.

Now you're just being dishonest 😂

ErinBell01 · 31/08/2025 01:16

Purplebunnie · 30/08/2025 00:39

@ErinBell01 I was referred in January for a gynae appointment. Last time I didn't receive the appointment letter, just a stroppy you didn't attend. So having read this thread yesterday I took it upon myself to phone up today. Yes I'm on the list for an appointment, I should get a letter in 10 weeks with an appointment for a month after that. I will give it 12 weeks and then I am phoning up to check.

Yes you need to check up and chase them up if you don't get a letter when promised. Husband was told by doctor he'd refer him to hospital. He didn't get a letter so eventually succumbed to my nagging and phoned hospital. They'd never received referral from GP, who eventually admitted he'd forgotten to make the referral!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 30/08/2025 19:14

It would also help if there was some communication between departments. DM died in the same hospital where she attended the eye clinic. I was at her house and the phone rang and it was the eye clinic phoning to confirm she would be attending her appointment. I told them no, she'd died and maybe they should update their systems accordingly.

Purplenotes · 30/08/2025 18:52

Oldwmn · 30/08/2025 13:26

I think you're right because I have only ever had an apology once for a cancelled appt. I was about to board the train on the day & they cancelled because two people on the team were sick - I received effusive apologies for that and they remade very quickly. Quite different from the day surgery that was cancelled (again, in a hospital miles from me) smashing up all the many arrangements that I & my daughter had put in place. The reason? I had to have another procedure first in another hospital, also miles away which no one had ever mentioned to me. Not a single sorry to had. My time (& shredded nerves) is of absolutely no interest to them.
So, yes, patient no shows are bad but I seriously doubt that they are all just slackers who can't be arsed and you can hardly be surprised if it triggers stories like mine & others. For nearly two years I've undergone two cancer investigations, one came to nothing & other was diagnosed & I'm just in the last part of treatment now (I hope🤞). But the endless chopping & changing, cancelled train journeys, cancelled hotel bookings can't have been doing me any good.
I must say that, when it comes down to the actual treatment, everything has been excellent & the staff brilliant. It's just the appointments mechanism that needs a hard look at. A friend of mine had an op cancelled because the surgeon was on holiday - surely his holiday would have been in a diary at the time the date was proposed?
I'll shut up now.

I have a friend with cancer at the moment and there is alot of chopping and changing. She’s been made aware that the cancer has spread, but her appointment to discuss ramifications of that has kept changing. She is fortunately in a supportive situation (very capable, has a supportive partner, child is a teen so no last minute childcare for appointments, work have signed her off, hospital is fairly local).

ifIwerenotanandroid · 30/08/2025 17:41

I've been marked down as DNA a couple of times. Once when I informed the hospital weeks in advance that I no longer needed the appointment - but they ignored it. Once when I missed an appointment because I turned up on the day I'd booked for, only to find they'd put it in their system as several days before the day I asked for (& yes, I know I was right because they'd confirmed my chosen date, even though they'd put the wrong one in).

Why should I be fined for either of those? That's why it would be unfair - not that unfairness is a bar to implementing something stupid.

Louisa58 · 30/08/2025 17:37

taxguru · 30/08/2025 11:32

I agree about the "patient blaming" culture - it's endemic.

My OH had a 9-30 appointment with a cancer specialist in a different city to discuss a stem cell transplant with the specialist and the stem cell co-ordinator. Waiting room full. Others were going through all morning, we were sat there like lemons. He asked a couple of times at reception only to be told "they were busy" and just wait. By around 1pm, the waiting room was empty and even the receptionist had gone for lunch. We went down the corridor where the consultants seemed to be and asked a random nurse who said the consultants had all gone for lunch - she tried to find his file, and it was left on the side. She was actually helpful and made a couple of phone calls, only to find the stem cell transplant co-ordinator never worked on Wednesdays so we should never have been given that appointment. Receptionist should never have booked us in and the appointment clerk should never have given that appointment.

A whole day wasted. Not only that, but waiting 4 hours in a busy waiting room is hardly the best for someone immunocompromised due to chemotherapy!

When he phoned to get a new appointment, the appts clerk was really off hand with him, asking why he'd failed to attend as it had been put down on the system as a FTA! Patient blaming at it's finest.

God. This is just awful. So sorry you experienced that. Very poor.

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