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To think that not toilet training your child is seriously irresponsible?

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SnugShaker · 27/08/2025 21:50

I keep seeing stories about kids starting school still in nappies and I just don’t understand how that happens. Barring medical or developmental issues, surely toilet training is a basic part of parenting?

I get that every child is different but isn’t it neglectful to send a child into the world without such a fundamental skill? Interested to hear different perspectives, am I being too harsh or is this genuinely a problem?

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Jorge80 · 28/08/2025 04:21

wand3rer · 28/08/2025 00:02

He did learn! 😂

She was oddly competitive. At times, bragging about being the best mum. Then just as proudly about being the laziest 😅

Yeah, I know a couple who put it off for years with the view that their child wasn’t ready and that they didn’t want to pressure them or cause damage. But this resulted in a distressing rush for all, most of all their four and a half year old, when preschool called them to say they really need to be out of nappies now.

I agree with you OP if it genuinely is down to laziness on the parents’ behalf. I do know a small amount of kids though who really were very challenging to train despite their parents’ efforts eg with older siblings who were trained even before 2.

I found potty training one of the hardest parts of parenting in the early years. DH and I argued so much during our attempts. We often used to say in frustration “No wonder people put it off!”

camelfinger · 28/08/2025 04:11

I followed advice on here and decided to wait until DS was ready. His nursery required him to be dry for 2 weeks before allowing him to attend in pants. I also followed advice here and trained in the summer. So that only left a really short window as a summer born - if it hadn’t have worked he would have struggled. There was no way I was taking 2 weeks leave to try out toilet training. So I built it up a bit, and told nursery that he was dry. Obviously he then had a few “accidents” at nursery so I had to feign surprise. They were about to tell me that he needed to go back to nappies but luckily it just changed one day. The peer pressure of other nursery children definitely helped.

I was far more relaxed with DC2, and was very lucky as he just got it. The children are all so different, I probably wouldn’t doing anything different if I had my time again. I wasted so much effort trying to force the issue with DC1 but the message was quite clear that they couldn’t start school in nappies so I had to persevere in case it didn’t work in time for school starting.

SunnyChubby234 · 28/08/2025 03:44

NorthXNorthWest · 28/08/2025 02:25

Many nurseries don't have the time or resources to deal with the sheer volume of children who are not toilet trained by the time they reach nursery. They have behaviour management issues to deal with as well as development targets and onerous admin requirements too.

Yes, children with SEN or other challenges may need support for longer when it comes to toilet training, nobody disputes that. Not every child that needs support has an SEN or specific challenge. IME some (not all) parents of SEN children do their children no favours by setting the bar too low when it comes to toilet training and some parents of NT children are just too lazy or disinterested to bother doing the training. After all they can let school sort it out...

But why did nurseries actively help with potty training 30 years ago? Ratios haven't changed, if anything they're more strict with carer - baby ratios now.

And what the hell do you mean by the time they reach nursery ? Most babies start nursery at 12 months ! No baby is potty trained at 12 months.

How are you supposed to potty train a 2 year old if the childcare setting they are in for 5 days a week is refusing to help ? A parent can only do so much in 2 days.

Potty training at 18 months - 2 years requires consistency over months and months.

It's why parents then have to wait until 3 - 3.5 when kids can learn in a couple of days

You're blaming the parents when the institutions that are being paid to care for their child are inadequate.

MaxineHarper · 28/08/2025 03:00

You are absolutely spot on OP, but you’ll get all the “oh you have to wait until they’re ready” brigade. When in actually fact, if you teach your kid up until age 3 and 4 that it is fine to poo in a nappy, then of course it’ll feel fine to poo their pants - as you’re teaching them it’s fine. Most kids will be ready at 24 months. It’s lazy parenting to wait longer. Get them out of nappies ASAP, read them a book from 18 months about potties/bug pants and then get it done. It is not nursery’s job or school’s job it is the job of the parent. Of working full time then take a week of leave, stay at home for 1 week and train your kid. It’s not rocket science.

NorthXNorthWest · 28/08/2025 02:25

Many nurseries don't have the time or resources to deal with the sheer volume of children who are not toilet trained by the time they reach nursery. They have behaviour management issues to deal with as well as development targets and onerous admin requirements too.

Yes, children with SEN or other challenges may need support for longer when it comes to toilet training, nobody disputes that. Not every child that needs support has an SEN or specific challenge. IME some (not all) parents of SEN children do their children no favours by setting the bar too low when it comes to toilet training and some parents of NT children are just too lazy or disinterested to bother doing the training. After all they can let school sort it out...

Morningsleepin · 28/08/2025 01:18

SunnyChubby234 · 27/08/2025 22:20

One thing I found shocking though is how little nurseries help with potty training these days. My mum said nursery was hugely helpful back when I was a toddler whereas now some nurseries insist on nappies until toddler is fully trained and can hold a wee for minutes and can ask to go reliably. That's quite unrealistic for a 2 year old. Potty training to that level takes weeks and if nursery is difficult about it, it puts parents in a tricky spot where you essentially delay and delay until child is over 3.

Yes, that seems to be the case. Back in the day, my dd's nursery also took on the potty training alongside me. And they so many parents are working fulltime, so if the nursery doesn't help...

NorthXNorthWest · 28/08/2025 01:15

Mumtotwotoo2 · 27/08/2025 21:52

Mine wasn’t allowed to start school without being toilet trained, where have you heard of children starting school in nappies?

Several teacher friends have told me that this is now a thing.

Kirbert2 · 28/08/2025 01:13

The issue with starting reception or school nursery so young is that at 3-4 many children who have SEN and may struggle with toileting aren't diagnosed yet.

My son is incontinent and has to be changed multiple times a day at school. He goes to a mainstream school and they have changing facilities.

SheSpeaks · 28/08/2025 01:11

Define toilet trained. I define it as not needing any help to go to the toilet. That means deciding they need to go, taking themselves there, using the toilet, cleaning themselves and washing their hands.

Some people define it as not wearing nappies.

if you define it as not wearing nappies all my dc were done between 17-22 months.

if you define it as not needing any help in the toilet that goes up to much closer to 3-3.5 years.

it’s absolutely OK to be at either end of a very wide spectrum. But remember definitions absolutely vary!!!

FinallyMummy · 28/08/2025 01:01

Threads like this annoy me. Some parents are lazy but there are so many other factors that people don’t consider.

My LO is adopted. The move to us was delayed (thanks to the court system) and then there was too much change to consider attempting potty training for many many months. The end result is a child who is almost 4, no SEN or developmental issues but who is only now attempting potty training and really struggling with it.
If you were told about them you’d think I’m lazy because LO is so clearly ok, and I’ve had a lot of awful comments from strangers about using baby change facilities or how I need to ‘get on with it’ but people have no bloody idea.

Unless this directly affects you in some way I don’t think you should be voicing an opinion tbh.

C152 · 28/08/2025 00:08

TY78910 · 27/08/2025 22:26

This x10.

It cannot be that unfathomable that children find toilets in school to be scary - Andrex have based their recent advert entirely on withholding in school. With such small children withholding very quickly turns in to constipation which is a bloody nightmare to manage (from experience) and that’s where regular soiling happens. Not because they want to crap themselves, but because it just involuntarily comes out. That’s not a parenting problem, it’s a psychological one.

It's also a crumbling school buildings problem. Most of the toilets in DS's school are broken and half are both broken and locked. For months several parents wondered if their child had some sort of issue with going to the toilet at school and I guess they did... but the issue is the school, not the children.

wand3rer · 28/08/2025 00:02

Dundonia · 27/08/2025 23:50

What happened? Did he learn? Or is he 12 and still in nappies?

Edited

He did learn! 😂

She was oddly competitive. At times, bragging about being the best mum. Then just as proudly about being the laziest 😅

justlonelystars · 28/08/2025 00:02

My DS is toilet trained but has some issues with his guts and will frequently mess himself (he thinks it’s just a fart). He gets so upset about it. Not every parent with a child who messes themselves is negligent. There is a huge amount of SEN now too and these children mustn’t be discriminated against on the basis of not being potty trained. Admittedly there are some parents who simply can’t be bothered but in most cases I suspect it’s more nuanced than that!

DancefloorAcrobatics · 28/08/2025 00:00

SunnyChubby234 · 27/08/2025 22:20

One thing I found shocking though is how little nurseries help with potty training these days. My mum said nursery was hugely helpful back when I was a toddler whereas now some nurseries insist on nappies until toddler is fully trained and can hold a wee for minutes and can ask to go reliably. That's quite unrealistic for a 2 year old. Potty training to that level takes weeks and if nursery is difficult about it, it puts parents in a tricky spot where you essentially delay and delay until child is over 3.

^ This and then add to the mix that both parents are working full time and potty training turns 2 way battle of wills with a confused toddler in the middle!

I had this with youngest DC, as I insisted on pants insisted of nappies. Got a lot of grief from the nursery because of accidents and subsequent cleaning. But stuck to my guns otherwise DC would have started school in nappies

Dundonia · 27/08/2025 23:50

wand3rer · 27/08/2025 23:44

Someone I know didn’t bother potty training her kid and she was very proud of it!

“Why should I go through the hassle when school can take care of it? He’ll learn faster through peer pressure anyway."

🤔

What happened? Did he learn? Or is he 12 and still in nappies?

wand3rer · 27/08/2025 23:44

Someone I know didn’t bother potty training her kid and she was very proud of it!

“Why should I go through the hassle when school can take care of it? He’ll learn faster through peer pressure anyway."

🤔

Athreedoorwardrobe · 27/08/2025 23:33

I don't know about this because I've had 3 kids... the first from the age of two we tried to potty train him and it was a nightmare. We used the books the stickers all the advice you read online. He started nursery at 3 in nappies. After a couple of days he just became dry day and night.. he just seemed to decide to do it.

My middle we did not even attempt to potty train at 2. Then at 2.5 she started showing an interest and it literally took a week and she was dry day and night. She started nursery at 3 able to use the toilet.

And again my 3rd no real potty training, she just decided to do it at about 2.5.

So I tend to think kids just do it when they want to (NT kids) and the endless effort some parents put into early potty training is just a waste of effort.

GarlicLitre · 27/08/2025 23:29

They do 'just get it' [old person alert] [no SEN experience] eventually. Bladder and bowel control involves a fairly complicated signalling chain of proteins and hormones. Developing little bodies set these up at different stages, dependent on genetics as much as anything else. They may often develop in separate steps, rather than all at once, so some kids, for example, know they need to pee but don't yet release the proteins which prompt the co-ordinated squeeze/relax actions on command.

In the vast majority of children this will happen as genetically programmed, some time between the ages of two and five. It's wise to do the training anyway, so your kid already knows what to do when their body catches on. I don't know what's advised nowadays, but we always used to take the child to the potty or toilet before going out, before bed and after meals, etc. If nothing happens within a couple of minutes it's no big deal, but we're trying to set up a learned response to signals we know they will get, even though the kid doesn't yet know what we're on about 😏

I always used to respond immediately to "I need to wee" even if that meant holding the poor little bugger over a street drain. I think recognition of the need should never be thwarted - again, because we want the correct signalling to feel natural even if the hold/release thing isn't working yet.

I never encountered a child who refused to come out of nappies, though I've often heard about it since. I wonder if the PP may have a point about terry nappies: they are nothing like as comfortable or comforting as a nice, snug pair of padded pants! That's just me wondering, though; it must have happened to some kids. The main thing is to ensure there is no sense of shame or anxiety while waiting for the mysteries of interoception to work their magic.

Blessedbethefruitz · 27/08/2025 23:26

@TheTwitcher11 Absolutely! Good luck!

TheTwitcher11 · 27/08/2025 23:25

Blessedbethefruitz · 27/08/2025 23:08

@TheTwitcher11 Would your son feel comfortable getting flushable wipes from his bag before going to the toilet, or going back for them after? Makes it easier to do a better job and avoid soreness when they're little.

I’ve tried previously but I will try again now actually as he’s due to return to school, might be lucky this time! (it’s all about timing isn’t it lol)

Sub2Mumma · 27/08/2025 23:24

Currently in the throes of potty training DD who has just turned 2 - she had been showing signs for a few weeks. This weekend we plan to move to knickers and hope it goes well. Nursery have been very supportive of us and have given excellent tips & advice to help. There is no push from their side to have her trained just simply following her cues.

night time is a waaaaaaaaaaay off!

SnugShaker · 27/08/2025 23:20

moominmum56 · 27/08/2025 23:12

So many threads like this lately.

Yes allowing your child to start school in nappies for the sole reason that you couldn’t be bothered to toilet train them is lazy and unfair on the teachers. But how can you know that’s what’s happening? Are you privy to the circumstances and motives of every parent at the school gates?

I didn’t train either of mine until they were about 3.5. They weren’t ready. I know this to be the case because I tried when they were younger and it was traumatic and unsuccessful. I received loads of judgement on here about it and some quieter judgement IRL I suspect. They were considered ‘late’ but when they were ready it clicked within a couple of days and I maintain that it was the best way to do it for me and my dc. If others want to try earlier and have the process take longer that’s up to them. Or maybe their kids will be ready younger. This is the point…we are all different, all kids are different. Even in the absence of additional needs there are genuine reasons why some kids are potty trained later.

But sure let’s assume it’s all down to feckless, stupid, lazy parenting. How original.

I’m absolutely not saying that every late-trained child is the result of lazy parenting, hence why I said “barring medical or developmental issues” and that “every child is different.” I’m well aware that some kids just aren’t ready at the typical age and of course that needs to be respected.

But it’s also true that there’s a noticeable rise in children starting school without being toilet trained and some teachers have publicly expressed concern that in at least some of those cases, it isn’t about readiness, it’s about lack of effort or follow-through at home. That’s what I’m questioning. Not individual families doing their best but the broader trend and whether we’ve normalised avoiding this milestone too easily. If your child wasn’t ready until 3.5 and then cracked it quickly, that sounds like you knew your child well and responded accordingly, which is great parenting in my book.

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TooBigForMyBoots · 27/08/2025 23:20

I think parents put too much pressure on their children because society judges them.

Eventually children become adults who can toilet appropriately.🤷‍♀️

Mummyof3Me2021 · 27/08/2025 23:19

I was of the same opinion, having successful potty trained 2 DDs. With my DS, what a slog. He is possibly on the spectrum, awaiting referral, and toilet training has been miserable. Started at 2.5 hes just turned 4 and he still has the odd accident. It just doesnt come naturally the way it did with the other two.

So, its not as clear cut as parental laziness.

I think we are told to wait for signs they are ready, but some kids just don't show signs.

I will add DS is a lovely little boy but he is a complete pudding who wants everything done for him which is so different to the independence and drive of the DDs who WANTED to use the potty and toilet. Poor DS has no desire.

BertieBotts · 27/08/2025 23:14

I think the articles/stats used in the articles are a bit misleading. They refer to frequency of accidents for a start, when that doesn't tell you much about how hard parents have tried to potty train. My memories of reception are obviously fuzzy but I remember children having toilet accidents and it not being treated as a big deal, it was just a normal thing.

When I last looked into this I found quite a few articles around the mid to late 00s about a change which occurred then to make school compulsory from the September after children turned 4, rather than the term which began before they turned 5. The reports pointed out that children would be starting school sometimes aged 4 years 1 day, whereas the previous rule meant the youngest reception aged children were 4 and a half years old. Six months is a huge chunk of their lives at that age, and most children are much more reliable with the toilet by 4.5 than they are at just turned 4, especially if they were on the later end for potty training. I wasn't actually aware of this change and I wonder how many people lamenting the non-readiness of children for school are.

Plus the fact there are a lot more children with SEND going into mainstream schools now.

For sure there are children who have parents who don't bother about their development or milestones, but that has always happened. The articles make it sound like that's every other parent and that's just not the case.