To think that Brooklyn Beckham

The Beckhams are the Peatys in this scenario, when you think about it. Which is funny, since they featured so heavily in the Ramsay wedding. Same way that AP mother might have felt intimidated by them, their wealth, power… Victoria is very insecure, and clearly uncomfortable around richer, thinner, younger, more beautiful women. She’s always been like this.

@User14March it sounds like pay back ie they have been slagging Nicola off and he's soothing vb

I can’t imagine D&V would have encouraged any of the kids to follow a
’standard’ career path as being a plumber/accountant/ teacher does not fit in with the brand. I think all of the kids have been or will been pushed into creative/high profile careers from a young age despite lack of ability or talent.

They’ve exploited their kids and made them believe their own hype which is going to royally fuck them up.

I expect Ramsay would have given him an apprenticeship if BB wanted to cook - and, face it, the Beckhams aren't short of contacts, so I'd also expect similar suggestions were made by others. Ramsay though, wouldn't tolerate a slacker., I suspect BB is difficult to motivate and loses focus easily. With no evidence other than my own bias, I think he's probably quite hard work on a day to day basis. Wish them all well though. Glad it's not me and mine.

The Beckhams just removed all obstacles and got his rubbish and easily mocked book published. Same with all the other 'careers' he's had. You need to have a work ethic instilled into you to be able to work on your interests and advice from parents. Of course if your parents said 'Don't bother with any of that, we'll sort it out' you aren't going to bother.
And they are doing exactly the same with Cruz and his music career. And Romeo too - though I don't know what he is doing now. I think his football career has stalled.

I think it was always being to be difficult unless they had natural gift or talent. Several of Beckhams peers have sons who are now footballers
But being in the public eye from the start and almost under pressure to be, or do, something special is a difficult position. If hed gone, as a teenager, to work in a garden centre or a pub or coffee shop, the media would have probably mocked him for that....that it was too ordinary, and hed somehow failed. If he wasnt a "known" name or face, he might have had that chance.

Obviously the conventional way to become a successful photographer or chef, is first to have a talent or aptitude for it, then start with basics and work your way up....but through the Beckhams connections he was probably offered an opportunity they all thought was too good to turn down. (And then was ridiculed because he was, really at a beginner stage, and not ready to publish a book, or have a cookery slot)

If you look at VB she's become a world famous fashion designer....because she wanted to, not because she's spent years cutting patterns, designing, going to college, hunched over a sewing machine for hours on end. Despite all her protests about working hard, she did bypass a lot of steps that any other aspiring designer would be taking.

I agree. And it looks like his parents just assumed that he would go into 'showbiz' from birth, so didn't need to get any kind of education. It doesn't look like he was allowed to just learn and develop any kind of interest in anything without it being taken over by his parents, who took away any incentive or need to work on it- like the photography thing. Normal parents would have said 'Well, try this out, go to do a course where you can learn about photography, see if you have a talent for it etc. The Beckhams just removed all obstacles and got his rubbish and easily mocked book published. Same with all the other 'careers' he's had. You need to have a work ethic instilled into you to be able to work on your interests and advice from parents. Of course if your parents said 'Don't bother with any of that, we'll sort it out' you aren't going to bother. It is strange that the Beckhams have decided to do that, considering how hard both of them have worked, with average, I would say, talent in both their fields amongst their peers (even Beckham was never an amazing footballer. More a good one.)

Yeah, and also, surely those 'meaningful projects' are things you're only likely to have discovered if you'd been forced to work, pursue your own independent life and actually develop some skills when younger? It's one thing to be middle-aged, burnt out and with a long list of meaningful hobbies and causes you'd like to get involved in, quite another to be in your early twenties with access to more family money than you could ever spend, and thus little incentive to develop any real skills in anything. BB quite clearly isn't very academic, and he'd have been much better off being born in a normal family where he could have gotten a normal job, and gone on to lead a normal life where work and providing for a family provides some meaning and satisfaction. But that option's closed to him, and he doesn't have the talent to make a career in sports, arts, fashion, culture, anything 'high profile' - just like 99% of the rest of us.

Ultimately I feel sorry for him, I agree he's had an easier life than a child born in penury but I think he'd have been much happier in a normal family.

That’s on Marc, surely, unless she gave him a script.

Victoria is weak and vain, and 'Sir' David is a dirty dog who shouldn't ever been given the knighthood he so coveted.

Yes it is true, she famously admitted that she had never read a book so shes not going to be interested in her children being 'cultured' . I 100% believe that Brooklyn has had a toxic childhood and probably only realised how bad it was when he became part of Nicola's family. Not sure why people aren't believing the wedding dance story. It was widely reported at the time, along with photos of Nicola crying with her bridesmaids about it. Not only did she hijack the first dance but Marc Anthony, good friend of Victoria and David, announced Victoria as 'the most beautiful woman in the room' . Shocking behaviour at your sons wedding.

I do think, there is probably more truth than 'varied recollections' from the BB statement. He's clearly, to his mind anyway, had an abusive childhood, which comes in many forms. Maybe the Beckhams thought they were acting in his best interest but he clearly doesn't see it like that. His very public response is a product of how they bought him up. I wouldn't respnd like that but I wasn't put in the limelight since the day I was born.

It's true, though. I don't know why so many people are siding with her, she is clearly toxic and always has been.

Anyone can exposure themselves to ‘culture’ surely. The V&A amazing & free. I’d have nurtured that & used resources to get kids fluent in another language from birth. Opportunities right there. VB is socially ambitious NB: elocution now etc so it surprises me a little - unless all about them? I think Robbie Williams & wife are encouraging music & arts in broadest context.

How unbelievably snobby.

@Sartre
I think you have got them mixed up. Cruz is trying to be a musician. Not sure what Romeo is doing.

I think Cruz is a fairly talented footballer to be fair, at least he inherited some of the skills. Romeo is trying to be a musician, let’s just hope he doesn’t sing like his mum…

Yes! I wonder this too! Its like they simultaneously need and hate the media... I like to think I'd have a life of meaningful projects, reading, gardening and spending time with friends...
Feel sorry for Brooklyn and children like him. They seem unhappy and aimless.

Going by their current trajectory Romeo and Cruz are heading in the same direction.

Feel bad for him. He clearly inherited David’s intellect but not his talent. Almost anything he chose to do in life as a result, he would have been dismissed as another nepo baby. This only would have been brokered by him pulling a move like Ramsay’s son and joining the military. He doesn’t have the intelligence to get a degree so was never destined to be a scientist, doctor, teacher etc.

Poor kid has tried his hand at various pursuits and always been mocked. You can very much tell that everything he said last night was the truth. Even the documentary they did on Netflix was forced, the way they brushed over his affair but didn’t deny it so it was clearly true. They’ve always tried to pursue this image of the perfect nuclear family. Both parents are hugely ambitious but had Victoria not married him, I’m doubtful she’d get much press nowadays much like the other bandmates.

You know she’d be an awful mother in law and I can absolutely imagine her pushing her way into their first dance as he said. She always seemed frosty with his wife. I think they were envious he was marrying into an even wealthier family than theirs.

I assume you’re just being goady and are not pretending you think the fault is all on one side and his parents did nothing to warrant this, and just love to blame someone who was effectively an abused child.

St Andrews requirements in the late 90s or early 00s were lower. As were most Uni requirements. Mostly because A star didn't yet exist for A levels. A fairly standard offer for a humanities course at the end of the 90s was BBB or BBC. I know, because that's what they offered me. So William was very much in their grade range at the time.

Yes, unfortunately you’re right.

Pippa married money & is probably no more cultured than the average celeb. No doubt she has all of the lovely things.

Showing off is a paid Influencer gig. Holly said the bags were a gift (10 grand’s worth) from AP. But she’ll get work from it.

Holly is a two bit grifter, as is Adam. That said, his family aren't much better either. None of these people have any real public interest.