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Taylor Swift engagement - puzzled

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LouisaJG · 27/08/2025 17:45

I’m in my 30s and so unreasonable to be posting/caring about this on every level. BUT. I didn’t see a post. So…

AIBU to be puzzled that the man Taylor Swift has finally decided to settle down with is so different to the type she has seemed to date pretty consistently through her 20s and 30s up to then? She seemed so keen on soft, arty, mainly British boys - and now she’s gone for the direct opposite. Is it because her previous long relationship with a soft, arty British boy (Joe Alwyn) didn’t go the distance and so she decided she really needed to change her type if she wanted marriage and kids? Is it a fairly cynical marketing reaction to the current political situation in the States (no idea if TK is actually a Republican but he looks like someone who could appeal to Republicans, very much unlike Joe Alwyn)? Is it just a return to her American, country roots? What gives? I’m her age and I just can’t imagine my tastes changing as dramatically as that.

We used to like the same type of man, and now I feel like I don’t know her any more (I know, I know, I know) 🤣

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Matronic6 · 29/08/2025 23:32

UnhappyHobbit · 29/08/2025 21:06

Settling for someone that’s not her usual type for the sake of marriage and babies.

I didn't marry my usual type and I wasn't settling. I upgraded. I actually think it's a sign of growth and maturity to recognise the qualities you truly want in a partner don't necessarily align with a 'type.'

I also think she looks extremely happy and in love and he seems to be making her very happy.

PullTheBricksDown · 29/08/2025 23:04

Phatgurslyms · 29/08/2025 22:54

I think it is actually very difficult to have a genuine relationship when you are a billionaire starlet. Even loved ones can start to see you as a product - which is why their relationships often don’t last very long. It is actually very sad. I am reminded of Marilyn Monroe who said that men went to bed with Marilyn and woke up with Norma Jean.

I wish them both every happiness.

Lots of people suddenly using the word starlet. 🤔

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/starlet

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ShesTheAlbatross · 29/08/2025 23:01

Phatgurslyms · 29/08/2025 22:54

I think it is actually very difficult to have a genuine relationship when you are a billionaire starlet. Even loved ones can start to see you as a product - which is why their relationships often don’t last very long. It is actually very sad. I am reminded of Marilyn Monroe who said that men went to bed with Marilyn and woke up with Norma Jean.

I wish them both every happiness.

Agreed, and I think she knows this as well: “Cos all of my heroes died all alone. Help me hold on to you”

Phatgurslyms · 29/08/2025 22:54

TheNextChapter · 29/08/2025 08:30

I agree with all this.

And I like Taylor (I'm a fan) and believe that this relationship is genuine and they really love eachother. That said there will still be an element of manipulation of the press and well timed delivery to maximise the impact of any announcements etc. They will have a whole team around them timetabling everything I'm sure.

I think it is actually very difficult to have a genuine relationship when you are a billionaire starlet. Even loved ones can start to see you as a product - which is why their relationships often don’t last very long. It is actually very sad. I am reminded of Marilyn Monroe who said that men went to bed with Marilyn and woke up with Norma Jean.

I wish them both every happiness.

UnhappyHobbit · 29/08/2025 21:06

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2025 20:55

'Settling'? What about a physically fit, physically attractive bloke who loves her and is a millionaire in his own right is 'settling'?

Settling for someone that’s not her usual type for the sake of marriage and babies.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2025 20:55

UnhappyHobbit · 29/08/2025 20:19

I get the impression she’s settling.

'Settling'? What about a physically fit, physically attractive bloke who loves her and is a millionaire in his own right is 'settling'?

UnhappyHobbit · 29/08/2025 20:19

I get the impression she’s settling.

LouisaJG · 29/08/2025 20:19

Jaws2025 · 29/08/2025 09:50

She's not a "starlet" she has made it.

Also this. This thread generated 11 pages really fast. Because a lot of women are interested in a hugely successful female artist whose work and life reflect a lot of our own experiences and dilemmas back to us. Funny that.

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LouisaJG · 29/08/2025 20:16

LivingLife2TheFullestWTFThatMeans · 29/08/2025 06:41

@LouisaJG LouisaJG...

Darling...your very first sentence says it all. Let's grow up and move on from fantasy talk about the starlets, shall we? We are much bigger than this low stoop you seem to have taken. Moving right along...

Honey… you’re on mumsnet clicking on threads about starlets. You also seem a bit confused about how tagging works. Maybe sort that out before you start lecturing anyone else?

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ShesTheAlbatross · 29/08/2025 20:06

LyndaLaHughes · 29/08/2025 19:54

I’m staggered that anyone could be so lacking in intelligence, they could accuse her of using AI. She’s hardly a recent addition to the pop world. Honestly 😂 Again, it’s always people who have not actually listened to her music- especially her lyrics- who make nasty comments about her song-writing ability.

I agree.

I can totally understand not liking her, and thinking her songwriting isn’t good. I mean, I love her, but it’s all subjective. But she is very clearly capable of writing songs without AI.

LyndaLaHughes · 29/08/2025 19:54

Zodiacrobat · 29/08/2025 17:49

What the fuck? You do know Taylor has been around for about 20 odd years now and has been writing songs since she was a teen before AI was even a twinkle in a billionaire’s eye. Speaking of billionaires, she is one.

He’s also worth millions. Might only be 2/3% of Taylor’s worth but he’s not going to struggle for money in his lifetime.

You can be as bitchy as you like, doesn’t change the fact she’s gorgeous, talented and super rich.

I’m staggered that anyone could be so lacking in intelligence, they could accuse her of using AI. She’s hardly a recent addition to the pop world. Honestly 😂 Again, it’s always people who have not actually listened to her music- especially her lyrics- who make nasty comments about her song-writing ability.

Zodiacrobat · 29/08/2025 17:49

CindyJane · 28/08/2025 18:32

Publicity. They only have a short time in the public eye. Particularly him and AI can only write so many songs before anyone realises!

What the fuck? You do know Taylor has been around for about 20 odd years now and has been writing songs since she was a teen before AI was even a twinkle in a billionaire’s eye. Speaking of billionaires, she is one.

He’s also worth millions. Might only be 2/3% of Taylor’s worth but he’s not going to struggle for money in his lifetime.

You can be as bitchy as you like, doesn’t change the fact she’s gorgeous, talented and super rich.

DashboardConfession · 29/08/2025 10:44

LyndaLaHughes · 28/08/2025 23:55

She doesn’t need the publicity to
make her album a success. She has 282 million followers on Instagram. She could release an album of her singing nursery rhymes and it would sell massively.

Yep. She also announced her new album name on the 12th August, so 2 weeks before the engagement photos.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/08/2025 10:03

ShesTheAlbatross · 29/08/2025 09:29

I agree.

Although she was a bridesmaid at Lena Dunham’s wedding, so I do think they were/are actual proper friends, rather than just scouting round for the nearest non-model she could find. “You are in Love” is about Lena Dunham and Jack Antonoff.

That's almost worse given what a dick LD is!

But yeah, I'm not knocking her success, if anything, I'm just emphasising how comprehensive it is - she's navigated some good and bad PR to come out on top. But it's still PR.

Betruetoyourselfyouonlyliveonce · 29/08/2025 10:03

She seems a very savy woman, who is incredibly successful and runs alot of her own business.
I imagine she has focused on herself, and what makes her happy, as well as setting good boundaries.
We all need to do the same rather than focusing on "types" or caring what other people think.
The answer to what makes you happy is always within you if you look hard enough.

Jaws2025 · 29/08/2025 09:50

LivingLife2TheFullestWTFThatMeans · 29/08/2025 06:41

@LouisaJG LouisaJG...

Darling...your very first sentence says it all. Let's grow up and move on from fantasy talk about the starlets, shall we? We are much bigger than this low stoop you seem to have taken. Moving right along...

She's not a "starlet" she has made it.

ShesTheAlbatross · 29/08/2025 09:29

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/08/2025 08:51

I'm not a fan, but I'm also not not a fan - very interested in the phenomenon!

The one thing I'd say I ever disliked about Taylor was the "girl gang" time, when she surrounded herself with thin, perfect, blond, famous models, and when people pointed out this, she added Lena Dunham.

The PR work on that was shite.

I agree.

Although she was a bridesmaid at Lena Dunham’s wedding, so I do think they were/are actual proper friends, rather than just scouting round for the nearest non-model she could find. “You are in Love” is about Lena Dunham and Jack Antonoff.

Plastictreees · 29/08/2025 08:52

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/08/2025 08:51

I'm not a fan, but I'm also not not a fan - very interested in the phenomenon!

The one thing I'd say I ever disliked about Taylor was the "girl gang" time, when she surrounded herself with thin, perfect, blond, famous models, and when people pointed out this, she added Lena Dunham.

The PR work on that was shite.

I agree, that was super toxic, and I think even TS has acknowledged this now.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/08/2025 08:51

TheNextChapter · 29/08/2025 08:30

I agree with all this.

And I like Taylor (I'm a fan) and believe that this relationship is genuine and they really love eachother. That said there will still be an element of manipulation of the press and well timed delivery to maximise the impact of any announcements etc. They will have a whole team around them timetabling everything I'm sure.

I'm not a fan, but I'm also not not a fan - very interested in the phenomenon!

The one thing I'd say I ever disliked about Taylor was the "girl gang" time, when she surrounded herself with thin, perfect, blond, famous models, and when people pointed out this, she added Lena Dunham.

The PR work on that was shite.

BennyBee · 29/08/2025 08:32

LouisaJG · 27/08/2025 17:52

Yeah but my point is the falling seriously and long-term in love with someone who is the polar opposite of everyone you have dated in the past. That isn’t something I’ve experienced, and it’s not something I’ve witnessed often with friends, I can think of maybe one example max in my personal circle. It’s strange to me.

What a strange response. The very little I know about her includes the fact that her dating in the past did not work out? It was not successful. Didn't she write numerous songs about what arseholes her past boyfriends turned out to be? It seems she had many dating tragedies with her normal type.

If something is not working, switch it up.

Or maybe she just grew up and was ready to settle down?

Either way, its weird that people who don't know her are puzzling this out as if she's their best mate or sister.

TheNextChapter · 29/08/2025 08:30

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/08/2025 08:12

I mentioned PR before, and I think it's quite possibly a blend of the two. Some showmances, but also real relationships leveraged for PR.

Two things I think are quite telling are that:

  1. Re: Tom Hiddlestone - there was some PR pushback from her about the public show being not for her/she preferred privacy and Tom was pushing it in the spotlight. But a contradictory message about Joe Alwyn being "too private", and now Kelce is public and that's good again.
  2. Calvin Harris tweeted about her wanting to "bury Katy" (Perry). I'd wager that she's very ambitious and yes, strategically worked towards this demigoddess status.

This is not to say that she isn't a credible artist with great talent who has been in and is in a genuine relationship.

It's merely pointing out that you simply don't turn into a billion dollar pop juggernaut without very careful PR management. She's done a great job. But it that's not mutually exclusive with having carefully presented her personal life. And it clearly works really well because a lot of people think they personally know her based on the exact narrative she's presented.

I agree with all this.

And I like Taylor (I'm a fan) and believe that this relationship is genuine and they really love eachother. That said there will still be an element of manipulation of the press and well timed delivery to maximise the impact of any announcements etc. They will have a whole team around them timetabling everything I'm sure.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 29/08/2025 08:12

TheNextChapter · 28/08/2025 22:51

The previous flings (not Joe I don't think) were probably PR arrangements/contract type things to raise the profile of both parties at exactly the right time.

I mentioned PR before, and I think it's quite possibly a blend of the two. Some showmances, but also real relationships leveraged for PR.

Two things I think are quite telling are that:

  1. Re: Tom Hiddlestone - there was some PR pushback from her about the public show being not for her/she preferred privacy and Tom was pushing it in the spotlight. But a contradictory message about Joe Alwyn being "too private", and now Kelce is public and that's good again.
  2. Calvin Harris tweeted about her wanting to "bury Katy" (Perry). I'd wager that she's very ambitious and yes, strategically worked towards this demigoddess status.

This is not to say that she isn't a credible artist with great talent who has been in and is in a genuine relationship.

It's merely pointing out that you simply don't turn into a billion dollar pop juggernaut without very careful PR management. She's done a great job. But it that's not mutually exclusive with having carefully presented her personal life. And it clearly works really well because a lot of people think they personally know her based on the exact narrative she's presented.

LivingLife2TheFullestWTFThatMeans · 29/08/2025 06:41

LouisaJG · 27/08/2025 17:45

I’m in my 30s and so unreasonable to be posting/caring about this on every level. BUT. I didn’t see a post. So…

AIBU to be puzzled that the man Taylor Swift has finally decided to settle down with is so different to the type she has seemed to date pretty consistently through her 20s and 30s up to then? She seemed so keen on soft, arty, mainly British boys - and now she’s gone for the direct opposite. Is it because her previous long relationship with a soft, arty British boy (Joe Alwyn) didn’t go the distance and so she decided she really needed to change her type if she wanted marriage and kids? Is it a fairly cynical marketing reaction to the current political situation in the States (no idea if TK is actually a Republican but he looks like someone who could appeal to Republicans, very much unlike Joe Alwyn)? Is it just a return to her American, country roots? What gives? I’m her age and I just can’t imagine my tastes changing as dramatically as that.

We used to like the same type of man, and now I feel like I don’t know her any more (I know, I know, I know) 🤣

@LouisaJG LouisaJG...

Darling...your very first sentence says it all. Let's grow up and move on from fantasy talk about the starlets, shall we? We are much bigger than this low stoop you seem to have taken. Moving right along...

Doingtheboxerbeat · 29/08/2025 00:58

Haven't read the full thread but I agree that this is a bit of departure from Calvin Harris, Harry 1D, that Loki guy and Joe Alwin , plus Travis dated black girls before. They have both switched it up.

LyndaLaHughes · 28/08/2025 23:55

Silverfoxette · 28/08/2025 22:54

And she announced the name of her new album

She doesn’t need the publicity to
make her album a success. She has 282 million followers on Instagram. She could release an album of her singing nursery rhymes and it would sell massively.

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