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Does her DH have somewhere to land??

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CallMeMessy · 27/08/2025 14:05

BFF. Been with her DH for 25 years +, we know them both well, seemed really solid but he has suddenly announced he wants to separate with no real reason given. They have 3 DC, youngest is 8. She’s been completely caught unaware by DHs sudden request to call it a day.
Does he have someone else in the picture?? The cynic in me says yes because I don’t know a single couple where the man didn’t have someone else when he was the one to end the relationship. Either having an affair outright or someone waiting in the wings.

YANBU - he’s got someone else in mind/ having an affair

YABU - you’re a cynic! Sometimes it’s just as it seems and he’s got other reasons.

OP posts:
Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 09:03

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:54

Or you know a certain type of man because of your social circles. As I said, most men I know who have left women did so because of things related to the woman's untreated mental health issues. That's because I come from a background where mental health is very stigmatised so people do not seek help and some things are normalised, like recreational drugs use and heavy alcohol consumption as well as people having a history of trauma which makes them more likely to have personality disorders.

People leave relationships for a range of reasons. If the men you know generally leave one miserable relationship for someone else, then I'd think about why the males in my circle are so dependent on relationships and women generally and want to ensure I raise my sons' differently. I'd be aware that their father is likely one of these men and I picked him. I wouldn't be on here assuming all men must be like the ones I know.

Men in my circle have all (but one) stayed in their long term marriages and seem very happy. My anecdotal evidence is from acquaintances, friends of friends, people I know of where I live and socialise.
Tbf, I don’t come across a huge number of people with addictions, drug use or alcohol misuse. Some have or have had MH issues, but they are addressed (by and large). So maybe my perspective is from a fortunate place, but maybe that means that the waters are less muddied and give a clearer picture of the contrasting behaviours between men and women at the end of a relationship?
I don’t know.
I think it’s fair to say that all of our judgments are heavily impacted by our personal experiences. That’s part of the joy of MN - you get to hear lots of differing views.

GasperyJacquesRoberts · 03/09/2025 09:02

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:58

I cant believe that on this site of all sites, people think in this way. It is hilarious and sad.

There's a lot of bitter women on here.

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:58

AngelinaFibres · 03/09/2025 08:57

Women leave because they've had enough. Men leave because they have a new woman and a warm bed to go to.

I cant believe that on this site of all sites, people think in this way. It is hilarious and sad.

AngelinaFibres · 03/09/2025 08:57

BigFatLiar · 27/08/2025 15:43

Could be any reason. Do all women leave a marriage because they're having affairs?

Perhaps after 25 years he thinks he's simply become part of the furniture and wants out.

Women leave because they've had enough. Men leave because they have a new woman and a warm bed to go to.

Endofyear · 03/09/2025 08:55

I mean, it's certainly possible but immaterial really. Tell her to get legal advice asap.

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:54

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:48

Tbh, I don’t stereotype about much, but leaving established relationships is one area I feel it is fair to do so, as the anecdotal evidence is simply too strong to ignore.

I would never ignore the fact that men and women are different though. That’s just science.

Edited

Or you know a certain type of man because of your social circles. As I said, most men I know who have left women did so because of things related to the woman's untreated mental health issues. That's because I come from a background where mental health is very stigmatised so people do not seek help and some things are normalised, like recreational drugs use and heavy alcohol consumption as well as people having a history of trauma which makes them more likely to have personality disorders.

People leave relationships for a range of reasons. If the men you know generally leave one miserable relationship for someone else, then I'd think about why the males in my circle are so dependent on relationships and women generally and want to ensure I raise my sons' differently. I'd be aware that their father is likely one of these men and I picked him. I wouldn't be on here assuming all men must be like the ones I know.

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:48

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:45

According to OP who said he said nothing has happened.

The idea that men always do x and so women always do y is a huge part of the reason we have men who do y assuming they are women.

As I said in the other thread, it would really make sense if the members heredo have a disproportionate number of trans identifying children as was suggested, because the membership generally largely hold these incredibly rigid, gendered perspectives of the world and its inhabitants. They pass these onto their children and confuse them about who they are because they don't align with these stereotypes.

Tbh, I don’t stereotype about much, but leaving established relationships is one area I feel it is fair to do so, as the anecdotal evidence is simply too strong to ignore.

I would never ignore the fact that men and women are different though. That’s just science.

Silverbirchleaf · 03/09/2025 08:47

Sorry to hear about the cliche outcome.

I guess the ‘only’ saving grace in this situation is he’s taking action to split before (hopefully) an affair has started, although I wouldn’t be surprised ifs in the early stages of an EA.

As you say, disappointing.

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:46

CallMeMessy · 03/09/2025 08:44

Well, yes they were unfortunately. Although he’s told me ‘nothing’ has happened…

Yeah, right. 🙄

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:45

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:37

And they were right.

According to OP who said he said nothing has happened.

The idea that men always do x and so women always do y is a huge part of the reason we have men who do y assuming they are women.

As I said in the other thread, it would really make sense if the members heredo have a disproportionate number of trans identifying children as was suggested, because the membership generally largely hold these incredibly rigid, gendered perspectives of the world and its inhabitants. They pass these onto their children and confuse them about who they are because they don't align with these stereotypes.

CallMeMessy · 03/09/2025 08:44

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:37

And they were right.

Well, yes they were unfortunately. Although he’s told me ‘nothing’ has happened…

OP posts:
BabyCatFace · 03/09/2025 08:44

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:35

Most men I know who have left did so due to what basically amounted to untreated mental health problems in their ex ranging from substance abuse to gambling issues to BPD.

How unusual that you know so many men married to women with serious mental illness! In any case, that's why I said 'tend to'. One trend that is very common is the wife becoming asexual after menopause and the husband eventually looking elsewhere. The husbands would probably say the relationship ended well before the affair but they don't tend to actually leave until they have 'somewhere to land'.

Youdontseehow · 03/09/2025 08:43

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:35

Most men I know who have left did so due to what basically amounted to untreated mental health problems in their ex ranging from substance abuse to gambling issues to BPD.

Good for you for somehow having the tiny percentage of poor men and awful women in your friendship group.

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:40

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:30

Seriously, do you bring up your kids telling them that this is how men are (and by default, women are the opposite?)

Edited

Tell the that men and women are different? Think differently? Have different needs and priorities? Yes.
The trans lobby would disagree, but most people would think this is pretty obvious.

Youdontseehow · 03/09/2025 08:40

Youdontseehow · 03/09/2025 08:34

Nah. He’s got somewhere to land. I’d bet a kidney on it.

Posted before I saw your update. Knew it’d be another woman despite all the naysayers.

I too have never known a man jump without somewhere to land.

Sounds like an element of mid life crisis to be honest. Although that’s no excuse. Your poor friend.

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:37

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:33

People reacted to an OP saying why would this man none of you know want to leave his wife? Lots of people said he's having an affair based on the fact he's a man.

And they were right.

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:35

BabyCatFace · 03/09/2025 08:33

Women tend to leave long marriages because the husband is abusive, has cheated or is chronically lazy. Men tend to leave them because they are having an affair.

Most men I know who have left did so due to what basically amounted to untreated mental health problems in their ex ranging from substance abuse to gambling issues to BPD.

NoSuchThingAsAFreeHoliday · 03/09/2025 08:35

Hope your friend is ok.

I’ve just done a head count, and about 75% of marriages we know which have broken up are because of the man’s affair. What has always struck me is that is invariably the absolutely gorgeous wife that gets cheated on. Make of that what you will.

Youdontseehow · 03/09/2025 08:34

randomchap · 27/08/2025 15:03

Or maybe he's just unhappy

Got the ick perhaps, and sees no way back

He can end the relationship for any reason he wants

Nah. He’s got somewhere to land. I’d bet a kidney on it.

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:33

CallMeMessy · 03/09/2025 08:32

From my updates there was.

People reacted to an OP saying why would this man none of you know want to leave his wife? Lots of people said he's having an affair based on the fact he's a man.

BabyCatFace · 03/09/2025 08:33

BigFatLiar · 27/08/2025 15:43

Could be any reason. Do all women leave a marriage because they're having affairs?

Perhaps after 25 years he thinks he's simply become part of the furniture and wants out.

Women tend to leave long marriages because the husband is abusive, has cheated or is chronically lazy. Men tend to leave them because they are having an affair.

CallMeMessy · 03/09/2025 08:32

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:31

From your OP, there was no way of knowing that.

From my updates there was.

OP posts:
Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:31

CallMeMessy · 03/09/2025 08:30

We do - he told me himself about the OW

From your OP, there was no way of knowing that.

CallMeMessy · 03/09/2025 08:30

Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:29

This is an example of a gendered thread. The thought that a man could have decided a relationship simply isn't making him as happy as he could be hasn't occurred to anyone because he is a man. This is the message you all send your children about what makes a man and what makes a woman, and then wonder why they want to change sex when they use your stereotypes as a baseline to work out their own identity.

We have no idea why this man wants to leave his wife.

We do - he told me himself about the OW

OP posts:
Ihavetoask · 03/09/2025 08:30

Swiftie1878 · 03/09/2025 08:22

For men it is often very compartmentalised and practical. Even if miserable, they tend to stay because they can box that off, and still get their laundry done, meals cooked and have free access to their kids.
If they have someone ‘in the wings’, they leave to facilitate moving that forward, and put up with any short term, practical inconveniences.

Are you SURE your friend doesn’t have his eyes elsewhere?

Seriously, do you bring up your kids telling them that this is how men are (and by default, women are the opposite?)

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