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Racist Threads

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PhilippaGeorgiou · 27/08/2025 13:11

Wasn't sure where to post this, but I thought AIBU would be ok. I am not running this as a poll, because I don't care about anyones opinions on the matter. And if anyone wants to respond with more racism, don't bother because I won't be engaging for even a second.

Right at the moment this site is not being overrun by racists because MNHQ has determined that there are no racists on the site and it's abuse to tell anyone they are a racist (even when they are). However, there are multiple threads expressing racism every single day, all rehearsing the same old misinformation and bogus narratives. Not one of those posters want to engage - they become abusive and offensive if anyone produces remotely evidenced facts. Their "facts" are the only truthful facts. Everyone else is a "woman hating woke leftist". Which is apparently not abus, according to MNHQ. MNHQ have made is abundantly clear that they will not moderate misinformation, and are blithely happy to allow most abuse to stand.

Here's the thing - there's pretty much nobody on those threads that is genuinely interested in having a discussion or debating information. There is nobody jumping on those threads saying that they don't really understand the different views and positions and would like to know more. Unsurprising, anyone who actually wants to explore the issue, the absolute last place to look to do that would be yet another toxic thread here. Probably the only good thing is that it really is highly unlikely anyone with a real curiousity about the subject would look to form opinions based on the toxic formula of MN.

The only thing that these threads are good for is clicks and ££££'s in the bank for Justine and the site.

So anti-racists - I suggest that we all stop answering these threads altogether. I know it is hard to see the racism stand (although apparently not for the owners of the site or the moderators) unchallenged, but every single challange does nothing but feed the flames and earn money for MN. You all know that the people who are not racists will spend 20% of their posts posting misinformation and 80% posting goady barbs and personal insults, just to keep the threads going. It will be incredibly boring for them if they only have each other to talk to. The threads will die without oxygen. And MN makes no money out of clicks that haven't happened. It's a win all around.

And if you want to do something proactive, instead of engaging with people who aren't going to listen, why not raise your concerns about the racism with the advertisers? They are being associated with it by their presence, and are clearly far more likely to influence the owners of the site than the people posting on it.

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Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 18:17

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/08/2025 18:14

Sorry, I missed the scone conversation. I typed my reply ages ago and then was interrupted to do actual real life things. Absolutely unacceptable.

Cream has to go first - because it's dairy, like butter. And then jam, preferably strawberry. It also means you get a fruity burst of flavour with the creaminess underneath. Cream on top means the jam gets lost.

I have heard of cheese scones but thankfully such an aberration has never crossed my plate.

I liked you until that.

Is trifle a mad abomination to you? Or do you put the cream at the bottom???

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 18:17

Lonelycrab · 27/08/2025 18:09

Cherries sound like a good idea, and definitely cream first. Certainly better than cheese, urgh. A bit like cheese croissants, just no.

And I sympathise OP. I’ve largely given up. The last few days have been relentless, the flag threads are like banging your head against the wall. Depressing. And probably best just walked away from.

I like croissants filled with ham and cheese too Grin

Big cheese fan 🧀

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 18:16

I just make myself feel a bit better by offering up liberal emojis of thanks, agree and love.

Hope people notice and appreciate them as being a small token of appreciation of your courage, clarity and conviction.

Don't be offended if I have not loved you!

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/08/2025 18:14

Sorry, I missed the scone conversation. I typed my reply ages ago and then was interrupted to do actual real life things. Absolutely unacceptable.

Cream has to go first - because it's dairy, like butter. And then jam, preferably strawberry. It also means you get a fruity burst of flavour with the creaminess underneath. Cream on top means the jam gets lost.

I have heard of cheese scones but thankfully such an aberration has never crossed my plate.

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 18:14

SerafinasGoose · 27/08/2025 18:07

I'm also sorry to hear it. You'll be missed. Your own wellbeing comes first but I for one hope to see you back once some of the craziness has ebbed. 🌺

Me too, Mrs B.

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 18:13

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 18:02

What can I say, I hate the cream and jam combination. Cheese is surely better than sultanas or cherries, no?

runs and hides

whatever you do, don’t use crackers. We’ll be getting salty over that one ✌️

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/08/2025 18:10

TeenagersAngst · 27/08/2025 17:48

Did I suggest that alll asylum seekers should stop at the first safe country? No.

I was responding to a post in which the poster asked why another poster didn’t believe the asylum seekers are genuine.

I then made an observation that people coming to the UK have already travellled through safe European countries and chosen to take a dangerous journey across the Channel. This feels counter intuitive to their status as people fleeing from danger.

And this may be why some people in the UK and on Mumsnet view them as economic migrants rather than asylum seekers.

I don’t know what I think, if I’m honest.

Fair enough, I was genuinely asking you though as that seemed to be what you were suggesting. I wasn't being accusatory, so apologies if that's how it sounded.

The problem with the argument about people passing through safe countries to reach the UK means that we wouldn't take our fair share and we'd end up with no asylum seekers - which is a conclusion that usually pleases the people who make these types of arguments.

The definition of an economic migrant is based on the reason they left their home country. An asylum seeker is still an asylum seeker, regardless which country they finally stop in.

I think all of us - if we were forced to flee - wouldn't just stop at the first safe spot we found if we didn't speak the language and had no way of building a new, safe, life. As I say, it's not as if they're all making their way to Britain, proportionately more stay in Europe, even when taking into account our smaller size, we're still taking less than many others.

It just feels as if this whole "they're not real asylum seekers as they deliberately made their way through safe countries to Britain" is a real denial that asylum seekers are allowed to build a life, settle, and become contributing members of the community. I think some people use this reason about safe countries as a cover to say that they just don't think asylum seekers should be here (not suggesting that's you, but in general).

Properchips · 27/08/2025 18:09

GreenFlag · 27/08/2025 17:58

MN is full or tree huggers who have no prejudices.

In all my years on MN I’ve never seen racism, transphobia, homophobia, or misandry.

😂😂

Lonelycrab · 27/08/2025 18:09

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 18:02

What can I say, I hate the cream and jam combination. Cheese is surely better than sultanas or cherries, no?

runs and hides

Cherries sound like a good idea, and definitely cream first. Certainly better than cheese, urgh. A bit like cheese croissants, just no.

And I sympathise OP. I’ve largely given up. The last few days have been relentless, the flag threads are like banging your head against the wall. Depressing. And probably best just walked away from.

SerafinasGoose · 27/08/2025 18:07

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 27/08/2025 17:31

Thank you, I appreciate your kind comments.

I've been on here for years and it will be really hard to walk away, but I think I probably need to. I've been thinking about it for a while, tbh, but the last few days have confirmed it for me. Partly because the volume of racist posts has got so out of control, and partly because MNHQ don't seem to really care.

It isn't fun any more.

I'm also sorry to hear it. You'll be missed. Your own wellbeing comes first but I for one hope to see you back once some of the craziness has ebbed. 🌺

SerafinasGoose · 27/08/2025 18:03

PhilippaGeorgiou · 27/08/2025 14:13

Hmm - but a bunch of flowers could be taken to indicate giving someone flowers / thanks. It would need to be something consistent and also clearly anti-racist.

A peach, perhaps!

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 18:02

nomas · 27/08/2025 17:58

Cheese scones are a frankenstein food.

What can I say, I hate the cream and jam combination. Cheese is surely better than sultanas or cherries, no?

runs and hides

Rizzz · 27/08/2025 17:59

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 17:58

There's no point in going over this. Because they did. They thought they had a right to post.

Ancient history but definitely a reason not to start the same tactic because the people being stonewalled sure didn't like it , and it didn't work .

Edited

We may have to settle for 'Recollections may vary' 😁

nomas · 27/08/2025 17:58

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 17:54

I like cheese scones with a bit butter

Cheese scones are a frankenstein food.

GreenFlag · 27/08/2025 17:58

MN is full or tree huggers who have no prejudices.

In all my years on MN I’ve never seen racism, transphobia, homophobia, or misandry.

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 17:58

nomas · 27/08/2025 17:54

We are all human beings anyway, and there’s no such thing as an ethnic native american since they arrived in different waves of migration and never saw each other as a unified people anyway!!!!

Native just means they're from there, not that they were there at the same time.

Obviously that’s why they have that label, but it was applied for the convenience of settlers. Of course they never saw each other as a unified people. And they had every right to do so, since they aren’t necessarily close kin. But it left them very vulnerable.

TeenagersAngst · 27/08/2025 17:58

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 17:55

Conveniently ignoring the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and half of the 90s ?

Not really. If you want to add those decades in, it just makes the numbers of recent migration even higher. I said that people believed migration into Britain had been happening for centuries. My point still holds true.

But migration in between 1945 and 1997 was still relatively low. It’s been on steroids since Blair.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 17:58

Rizzz · 27/08/2025 17:55

Yeah true, but there were absolutely loads in AIBU and Chat.

I mean the majority of posters moaning about teachers or posting about school problems, didn't post in the Staff Room topic because why would they?

There's no point in going over this. Because they did. They thought they had a right to post.

Ancient history but definitely a reason not to start the same tactic because the people being stonewalled sure didn't like it , and it didn't work .

nomas · 27/08/2025 17:57

EchoedSilence · 27/08/2025 17:50

It's jam first and scone rhymes with stone. I will not be persuaded otherwise.

Jam first is wrong because cream acts like a foundation that masks the cracks of the scone. Like plaster on a wall.

Scone rhymes with gone, because in my house they're all gone.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 17:55

TeenagersAngst · 27/08/2025 17:51

There’s a common misconception that migration has been happening for centuries in Britain.

It hasn’t. The number of migrants in the last 30 years is more than all the migrants combined from the 5th century to the Second World War.

Conveniently ignoring the 1950s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and half of the 90s ?

Rizzz · 27/08/2025 17:55

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 17:45

They most certainly weren't .

People claimed they 'didn't realise' they were in Staffroom or that the threads were 'In Active' so it was for anyone to comment.

I've seen the same said to people in eg Black Mumsnetters.

Yeah true, but there were absolutely loads in AIBU and Chat.

I mean the majority of posters moaning about teachers or posting about school problems, didn't post in the Staff Room topic because why would they?

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 17:54

I like cheese scones with a bit butter

nomas · 27/08/2025 17:54

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 17:47

This is sadly what happens when you cannot or will not defend your borders. Maybe you should reconsider your stance if you think what happened to them was tragic and sad (I do!)

Or maybe you think, hey! We are all human beings anyway, and there’s no such thing as an ethnic native american since they arrived in different waves of migration and never saw each other as a unified people anyway!!!!

We are all human beings anyway, and there’s no such thing as an ethnic native american since they arrived in different waves of migration and never saw each other as a unified people anyway!!!!

Native just means they're from there, not that they were there at the same time.

Timelineuk · 27/08/2025 17:54

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 17:38

Actually he is supporting Lowe and Robinson now.

same shit

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 17:52

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 17:47

This is sadly what happens when you cannot or will not defend your borders. Maybe you should reconsider your stance if you think what happened to them was tragic and sad (I do!)

Or maybe you think, hey! We are all human beings anyway, and there’s no such thing as an ethnic native american since they arrived in different waves of migration and never saw each other as a unified people anyway!!!!

I'm as American as you are, sweetie. Just so you know and can stop informing me about my own history.

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