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PhilippaGeorgiou · 27/08/2025 13:11

Wasn't sure where to post this, but I thought AIBU would be ok. I am not running this as a poll, because I don't care about anyones opinions on the matter. And if anyone wants to respond with more racism, don't bother because I won't be engaging for even a second.

Right at the moment this site is not being overrun by racists because MNHQ has determined that there are no racists on the site and it's abuse to tell anyone they are a racist (even when they are). However, there are multiple threads expressing racism every single day, all rehearsing the same old misinformation and bogus narratives. Not one of those posters want to engage - they become abusive and offensive if anyone produces remotely evidenced facts. Their "facts" are the only truthful facts. Everyone else is a "woman hating woke leftist". Which is apparently not abus, according to MNHQ. MNHQ have made is abundantly clear that they will not moderate misinformation, and are blithely happy to allow most abuse to stand.

Here's the thing - there's pretty much nobody on those threads that is genuinely interested in having a discussion or debating information. There is nobody jumping on those threads saying that they don't really understand the different views and positions and would like to know more. Unsurprising, anyone who actually wants to explore the issue, the absolute last place to look to do that would be yet another toxic thread here. Probably the only good thing is that it really is highly unlikely anyone with a real curiousity about the subject would look to form opinions based on the toxic formula of MN.

The only thing that these threads are good for is clicks and ££££'s in the bank for Justine and the site.

So anti-racists - I suggest that we all stop answering these threads altogether. I know it is hard to see the racism stand (although apparently not for the owners of the site or the moderators) unchallenged, but every single challange does nothing but feed the flames and earn money for MN. You all know that the people who are not racists will spend 20% of their posts posting misinformation and 80% posting goady barbs and personal insults, just to keep the threads going. It will be incredibly boring for them if they only have each other to talk to. The threads will die without oxygen. And MN makes no money out of clicks that haven't happened. It's a win all around.

And if you want to do something proactive, instead of engaging with people who aren't going to listen, why not raise your concerns about the racism with the advertisers? They are being associated with it by their presence, and are clearly far more likely to influence the owners of the site than the people posting on it.

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nomas · 27/08/2025 19:42

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:23

Anyone who has to call themselves an anti racist probably has something to prove.

Normal people don’t feel the need to wear a badge and tell people about it like ‘look at me, over here, right here, I’m an anti racist’.

Anti-racist means not looking the other way. So when your friend uses the N word or P word you actually call them out on it rather than just laughing it off.

It’s not a badge, just a decent thing to do.

noblegiraffe · 27/08/2025 19:38

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 17:38

No , in the end that isn't what happened. HQ moved The Staffroom out of Active Threads to minimise pile ons, as many of the worst threads for aggressive visitors were posted initially in Staffroom. Most teachers then more or less left the Staffroom and many MN altogether.

Edited

On to a better place Wink

Those daffodils really pissed people off though, they really wanted to wind up teachers and it really saved us a lot of mental effort replying over and over to the same shit.

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 19:36

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:23

Anyone who has to call themselves an anti racist probably has something to prove.

Normal people don’t feel the need to wear a badge and tell people about it like ‘look at me, over here, right here, I’m an anti racist’.

I think your normal and my normal are two very different normals tbh.

I absolutely do feel the need to show black and brown people that I SEE them and their experiences.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 19:32

We have had people come on this thread and others saying they no longer feel safe or welcome on MN. That's deeply saddening, is ignored by the crowing 'PROVE THERE IS RACISM' posters who show almost zero empathy and rather proves that their perception is that there is racism is valid.

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 19:32

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

🐿

CaptainMyCaptain · 27/08/2025 19:31

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

Some people don't have that privilege as the racism finds them.

borisjohnsonsforgottencondom · 27/08/2025 19:30

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 19:02

Indeed. Racism is illegal. And it is NOT subjective. If it was, the only person's opinion who would matter is the victim subjected to racism. People like to call it bias this and unconscious that. It is RACISM and the person saying it is racist, however aghast they feel about being called out on it.

You’re right racism isn’t illegal, but what counts as racism is highly subjective.

Priti Patel being called a coconut is an example of this. Many said it was racism, many said it wasn’t.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 19:28

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 19:23

And they may not. The Sahara is greening actually both due to natural geological cycles as well as higher CO2. This stuff isn’t really as predictable as you think.

Not really greening. Parts of the Sahel had unusual rain patterns (climate change), but there is no evidence of a systematic reversal of desertification.

BurntBroccoli · 27/08/2025 19:27

Whatafustercluck · 27/08/2025 14:11

Me too.

Simply put a 💐 after every post that's racist/ offensive/ massively overstepping. Instead of the good old fashioned mumsnet biscuit. Suggest doing the same with painted roundabout too!

We could use a lemon emoji signifying the sour and bitter nature of the post?
🍋

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:25

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 18:45

I would, but many of the ones I have seen personally I have reported and have been deleted by MNHQ for being racist and/or hate speech.

You can confirm with MNHQ that this is the case if you wish as they probably will remember. Dawn deleted about 5 in a row at one point.

There’s something quite weird about looking for racism everywhere. It must be tiring and mentally exhausting to constantly find racism in everything, whether it’s there or not.

WhereIsMyJumper · 27/08/2025 19:24

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:23

Anyone who has to call themselves an anti racist probably has something to prove.

Normal people don’t feel the need to wear a badge and tell people about it like ‘look at me, over here, right here, I’m an anti racist’.

I agree. Why the need to state something that you should already be?! I wouldn’t wear a t-shirt that says “I don’t murder people”

Fizzer5 · 27/08/2025 19:24

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 18:39

It was an appropriate diversion to you trying to blame asylum seekers for expensive fossil fuels !

No it wasn't a an attempt at blame. I was highlighting the costs we faced associated with the every day life already
The incomers will make life worse. That we should not have to afford.

SpaceRaccoon · 27/08/2025 19:23

And yes, if people express transphobic views, you can call them transphobic.

What do you consider transphobic? Eg the statement "humans cannot change sex, and gender is a social construct" - transphobic or not?

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 19:23

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 19:18

It will. Parts of the world with high and fast-growing populations may well become uninhabitable. We’re not there yet, but it’s very likely.

And they may not. The Sahara is greening actually both due to natural geological cycles as well as higher CO2. This stuff isn’t really as predictable as you think.

JollyUmberDeer · 27/08/2025 19:23

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 18:59

@JollyUmberDeer it is not @PandoraSocks job to feed you evidence and examples so that you can objection handle them with endless whataboutary.

You are either an active anti racist, or not. It is very simpe.

Anyone who has to call themselves an anti racist probably has something to prove.

Normal people don’t feel the need to wear a badge and tell people about it like ‘look at me, over here, right here, I’m an anti racist’.

BurntBroccoli · 27/08/2025 19:21

Zov · 27/08/2025 14:07

Hiding this thread, in 3... 2.. 1!

Bye then!

Newsenmum · 27/08/2025 19:21

If you don’t post and it’s just them, they think theyve won. If even just one little post crops up it ruins their stream of threads and interrupts them, brings it back to reality. You don’t have to post again. It also means that someone else who comes across it will see your post and feel like someone is on their side.

BurntBroccoli · 27/08/2025 19:19

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 14:04

I think you are probably right PG.

I have spent a lot of time arguing against the racism, producing actual facts and figures. It is all ignored, piled on, laughed at.

I do see @OchonAgusOchonOh 's point too about tacit approval, though. But if we did all stop engaging and MN became just an echo chamber of racism, maybe MNHQ would be more stringent.

MNHQ has got a bit better recently IME and a few of the more obvious racist trolls have had the boot. But others are left to run riot.

Anyway, no doubt this thread will be piled on very soon.

Yes I’ve often read your posts against the relentless racism. It’s exhausting trying to argue with them to be honest 😞.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 19:18

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 19:12

Climate change isn’t driving migration. Poverty is—so when you block developing countries from building cheap, fossil fuel-derived energy sources, you are essentially hampering their ability to progress.

Note that you aren’t getting climate migrants from the Gulf or Singapore, both of which have extreme environmental conditions.

Anyway climate change is not even a basis for asylum so … yeah.

It will. Parts of the world with high and fast-growing populations may well become uninhabitable. We’re not there yet, but it’s very likely.

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 19:12

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 18:52

Let them keep profits from renewables. If you don’t like the migrant situation now, you’re not ready for what that’s gonna look like as the climate changes and far bigger groups are forced to move to cooler areas.

Climate change isn’t driving migration. Poverty is—so when you block developing countries from building cheap, fossil fuel-derived energy sources, you are essentially hampering their ability to progress.

Note that you aren’t getting climate migrants from the Gulf or Singapore, both of which have extreme environmental conditions.

Anyway climate change is not even a basis for asylum so … yeah.

Piggywaspushed · 27/08/2025 19:04

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 18:59

@JollyUmberDeer it is not @PandoraSocks job to feed you evidence and examples so that you can objection handle them with endless whataboutary.

You are either an active anti racist, or not. It is very simpe.

Spot on.

This call for evidence is a well worn tactic.

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 19:02

TopPocketFind · 27/08/2025 18:51

Racism isn't subjective

And yes, if people express transphobic views, you can call them transphobic.

Indeed. Racism is illegal. And it is NOT subjective. If it was, the only person's opinion who would matter is the victim subjected to racism. People like to call it bias this and unconscious that. It is RACISM and the person saying it is racist, however aghast they feel about being called out on it.

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 18:59

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 18:45

I would, but many of the ones I have seen personally I have reported and have been deleted by MNHQ for being racist and/or hate speech.

You can confirm with MNHQ that this is the case if you wish as they probably will remember. Dawn deleted about 5 in a row at one point.

@JollyUmberDeer it is not @PandoraSocks job to feed you evidence and examples so that you can objection handle them with endless whataboutary.

You are either an active anti racist, or not. It is very simpe.

Lndnmummy · 27/08/2025 18:56

@Mumsnet does not care that racism is rife on their site. Year after year its the same old story. I avoid most threads these days tbh, for my sanity and mental health.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 18:52

RingoJuice · 27/08/2025 18:46

If you restrict their ability to expand supply (which various green regulations are wont to do), then that limited supply is going to skyrocket in price—ironically giving them bigger profits. You are kind of their best friend, since green alternatives kind of suck.

Let them keep profits from renewables. If you don’t like the migrant situation now, you’re not ready for what that’s gonna look like as the climate changes and far bigger groups are forced to move to cooler areas.

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