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PhilippaGeorgiou · 27/08/2025 13:11

Wasn't sure where to post this, but I thought AIBU would be ok. I am not running this as a poll, because I don't care about anyones opinions on the matter. And if anyone wants to respond with more racism, don't bother because I won't be engaging for even a second.

Right at the moment this site is not being overrun by racists because MNHQ has determined that there are no racists on the site and it's abuse to tell anyone they are a racist (even when they are). However, there are multiple threads expressing racism every single day, all rehearsing the same old misinformation and bogus narratives. Not one of those posters want to engage - they become abusive and offensive if anyone produces remotely evidenced facts. Their "facts" are the only truthful facts. Everyone else is a "woman hating woke leftist". Which is apparently not abus, according to MNHQ. MNHQ have made is abundantly clear that they will not moderate misinformation, and are blithely happy to allow most abuse to stand.

Here's the thing - there's pretty much nobody on those threads that is genuinely interested in having a discussion or debating information. There is nobody jumping on those threads saying that they don't really understand the different views and positions and would like to know more. Unsurprising, anyone who actually wants to explore the issue, the absolute last place to look to do that would be yet another toxic thread here. Probably the only good thing is that it really is highly unlikely anyone with a real curiousity about the subject would look to form opinions based on the toxic formula of MN.

The only thing that these threads are good for is clicks and ££££'s in the bank for Justine and the site.

So anti-racists - I suggest that we all stop answering these threads altogether. I know it is hard to see the racism stand (although apparently not for the owners of the site or the moderators) unchallenged, but every single challange does nothing but feed the flames and earn money for MN. You all know that the people who are not racists will spend 20% of their posts posting misinformation and 80% posting goady barbs and personal insults, just to keep the threads going. It will be incredibly boring for them if they only have each other to talk to. The threads will die without oxygen. And MN makes no money out of clicks that haven't happened. It's a win all around.

And if you want to do something proactive, instead of engaging with people who aren't going to listen, why not raise your concerns about the racism with the advertisers? They are being associated with it by their presence, and are clearly far more likely to influence the owners of the site than the people posting on it.

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BeardofHagrid · 27/08/2025 16:23

I’m not on here much atm, I’ve been busy following the trial of Hadush Kebatu when I’m not on shift. What’s been said? Sounds awful :(

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 27/08/2025 16:14

Account734 · 27/08/2025 16:05

"Being kind" ended up in women almost losing our sex based rights. But apparently women's rights are transphobic.

As Magdalene Berns rightly said: I’d rather be rude than a fucking liar.

Jujujudo · 27/08/2025 16:12

I had my a. Lint suspended for calling out direct racism. It’s an echo chamber in here.

Clychaugog · 27/08/2025 16:08

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 13:36

I think this site - influential as it is - is likely being targeted by the billionaire oligarch capitalists behind Reform UK / GB News / the flags bollocks / hotel yelling.

This.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 27/08/2025 16:06

CoffeeCantata · 27/08/2025 16:04

I’m so sorry you have experienced this. I can’t say I’ve seen it but I don’t tend to look at the more political threads.

I know there is so much sad history between Britain and Ireland but I admire Irish culture and have several dear Irish friends. I wish our countries could be good friends in the future.

It's not just on political threads. It seeps in to the most unlikely places.

Account734 · 27/08/2025 16:05

TealScroller · 27/08/2025 16:01

I've been off mumsnet for a while because of the racist and transphobic nonsense I keep reading on here. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have their opinion, but the sheer nastiness and intolerance is unbearable. Whatever happened to just been kind, decent human beings?

"Being kind" ended up in women almost losing our sex based rights. But apparently women's rights are transphobic.

CoffeeCantata · 27/08/2025 16:04

OchonAgusOchonOh · 27/08/2025 13:43

Anti-Irish racism is rampant and has always been accepted on here. It's just taken a step further and now racism against any and all foreigners is accepted. I assume most of the those posters have similar attitudes towards locals who are not white.

I'm not sure totally ignoring them is the way to go as yes, while the posts will die, not challenging them can be seen as tacit approval.

I’m so sorry you have experienced this. I can’t say I’ve seen it but I don’t tend to look at the more political threads.

I know there is so much sad history between Britain and Ireland but I admire Irish culture and have several dear Irish friends. I wish our countries could be good friends in the future.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 27/08/2025 16:03

Dweetfidilove · 27/08/2025 15:28

@PhilippaGeorgiou , you're not wrong. I'm yet to meet one who wishes to have a conversation. I learnt the term sea-lioning in the last week. Apparently you're trolling if you want to understand their viewpoints 🤷🏾‍♀️.

I do love that term! It really hits the spot for the type of haranguing you get from them. 🦭

Justagirl95 · 27/08/2025 16:02

MN is known as prosecco stormfront for a reason. Absolutely vile stuff on here sometimes.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 27/08/2025 16:01

swingingbytheseat · 27/08/2025 14:13

It does feel very despairing.
My thoughts are, that to be a racist you have to be in quite a lot of emotional pain already. It’s trauma dumping in the most easy way, i.e. not being able to own your own pain so dumping it on the most vulnerable in the community.

They probably just need a hug, but unfortunately the behaviour is so repulsive, they become even more isolated and lonely and in emotional pain

Who is the ‘most vulnerable community’ you’re talking about here?

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 16:01

ilovesooty · 27/08/2025 15:57

I wouldn't even waste time engaging with them. There's no point.

Yes, someone else just said that to me!

I like the 🕊 idea.

TealScroller · 27/08/2025 16:01

I've been off mumsnet for a while because of the racist and transphobic nonsense I keep reading on here. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to have their opinion, but the sheer nastiness and intolerance is unbearable. Whatever happened to just been kind, decent human beings?

Dangermouse999 · 27/08/2025 15:58

nomas · 27/08/2025 15:28

Yes, definitely. if Netanyahu can purchase millions pounds of propaganda ads on YouTube, then any group can pay a few grand to human bots to post on Mumsnet.

This is definitely becoming a trend. I've come across many political ads for the Israeli government on YouTube and bafflingly, lots of recommended Facebook pages which when I probe closer, are run by 'media' companies in China.

ilovesooty · 27/08/2025 15:57

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 15:29

I'll bite.

As a starting point I would say it is expressing hatred towards other people and/or discriminating against them based on the grounds of their colour, race, or ethnic or national origins.

I wouldn't even waste time engaging with them. There's no point.

SlowDorisagain · 27/08/2025 15:43

I like🕊

Dangermouse999 · 27/08/2025 15:43

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 13:36

I think this site - influential as it is - is likely being targeted by the billionaire oligarch capitalists behind Reform UK / GB News / the flags bollocks / hotel yelling.

I think it's becoming a problem in a lot of online forums.

The increase in racist or discriminatory threads and comments on UK sub-Reddits has been very noticeable recently.

A lot of the time you don't even have to read too far down for someone to start making discriminatory remarks, even if the original post has not got anything to do with the ethnicity of any particular person or group.

It's the times we live in I guess. Reform are doing very well in the opinion polls and a lot of people are feeling more emboldened in their comments as a result.

BMW6 · 27/08/2025 15:41

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 15:29

I'll bite.

As a starting point I would say it is expressing hatred towards other people and/or discriminating against them based on the grounds of their colour, race, or ethnic or national origins.

If I say I don't care about any of that but don't want people coming into the UK through unofficial channels - is that racist?

My view is I welcome anyone coming here who has applied and gone through the due process of checks.

I welcome people with skills and education that can be employed.
I welcome those who can work in the NHS or Care Homes with the necessary attitudes and command of English.

I do not believe the vast majority of those smuggled in are valid claimants for Asylum. I think most are economic migrants and should not be able to.just "break in".

If that makes me racist I'm OK with that.

Properchips · 27/08/2025 15:34

florizel13 · 27/08/2025 14:16

You are saying that "racist" posters don't want to engage in meaningful discussion....but you also say that you won't engage either, with any opinions that differ from yours?

My thought too. Life is more comfortable in an echo chamber.

FourTop · 27/08/2025 15:32

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 14:05

Oh. I like that idea!

This has been a successful widespread response to other disrespectful attacks to groups who don't have protected characteristics.

florizel13 · 27/08/2025 15:30

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 14:19

Because we have all tried millions of times. It is a waste of energy. It isn't about "differing opinions". It is about counteracting racism. Big difference.

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You are doing more good than you realise, believe it or not! I was hauled over the coals on another thread, for saying that due to my upbringing in the '70s, I felt uncomfortable referring to black people as "black", because back then it was a really rude term to use. I was reminded in no uncertain terms that it's 2025 now 😄 it did make me think and I realise that poster was right. I think that to a lot of people, racism means actual racial hatred and antagonism, rather than casual racism. A lot of people are well-meaning, but a bit ignorant! I do think it would be really good to hear from people from other ethnicities though, as they are the ones who have to live with the effects of racism and discrimination. What do they think? I have the privilege of working with people from all over the world and opinions vary!

PandoraSocks · 27/08/2025 15:29

ginasevern · 27/08/2025 15:18

Yes, me too.

I'll bite.

As a starting point I would say it is expressing hatred towards other people and/or discriminating against them based on the grounds of their colour, race, or ethnic or national origins.

Dweetfidilove · 27/08/2025 15:28

@PhilippaGeorgiou , you're not wrong. I'm yet to meet one who wishes to have a conversation. I learnt the term sea-lioning in the last week. Apparently you're trolling if you want to understand their viewpoints 🤷🏾‍♀️.

nomas · 27/08/2025 15:28

HangryLikeTheHulk · 27/08/2025 13:36

I think this site - influential as it is - is likely being targeted by the billionaire oligarch capitalists behind Reform UK / GB News / the flags bollocks / hotel yelling.

Yes, definitely. if Netanyahu can purchase millions pounds of propaganda ads on YouTube, then any group can pay a few grand to human bots to post on Mumsnet.

Lemintonic · 27/08/2025 15:27

I particularly enjoy the flag ones. Because OBVIOUSLY the flag wavers are simply supporting the Women's Rugby...despite the average current flag putter-upper clearly being the type of dickhead who hates the thought of women doing 'blokes' sports mate, get em in the kitchen'
They're just patriotic. Bollocks
It's pathetic and nasty and ignorant.

Magenta82 · 27/08/2025 15:25

WhereIsMyJumper · 27/08/2025 15:12

I personally would like to understand your definition of ‘racism’

This.

Is it racist to be concerned about the affects mass immigration has on the economy and culture of the UK?

People have seen their quality of life go down, this has coincided with an increase in immigration. There has been an increase in GDP, but a decrease in GDP per capita.

There has been a lot of things coming out about rape and sexual abuse, that the authorities have ignored, in part out of fear of being labelled racist.

There are a lot of people who feel that the culture of the UK is changing for the worse, they want to hold on to what makes it a great place to live.

A lot of the people who voice their fears have been called racist, some of them are racist, most probably aren't. It doesn't help that there is a class element, working class areas are hit harder by the changes, because of the cheaper housing, working class jobs are affected more. The working class people who complain are then written off as ignorant, stupid, racist, uneducated etc by people who live in middle class areas, who have middle class jobs, who don't walk the same streets or see the same things.

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