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Help for a 3 year old at nursery

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Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 18:43

Is it reasonable to expect nursery staff to help a just turned 3 year old with the following:

  • pulling their trousers down when they need the toilet (and back up again after)
  • Changing from shoes to wellies and back again
  • putting on and zipping up coat/ unzipping coat to help child take off coat independently
  • changing top/ bottoms if drink spilled
  • getting handsoap from dispenser (they can wash their own hands after that)

We’re currently working on these at home but don’t have them nailed just yet and they are still a work in progress. Some are definitely trickier for dc and will take more time than others

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littlebubblepop · 25/08/2025 19:47

pulling their trousers down when they need the toilet (and back up again after) - elasticated waist trouser with no buttons or zips will help

Changing from shoes to wellies and back again- slip on shoes

on and zipping up coat/ unzipping coat to help child take off coat independently - coat with Velcro will work or just getting your child to do the Velcro up rather than the zip. Have you seen the coat method where the child has the coat lay on the floor upside down and then crouch down out their arms in and flip it over their head?

changing top/ bottoms if drink spilled -
practice, practice. Practice

handsoap from dispenser (they can wash their own hands after that) - practice

stop worrying op the nursery will help and seeing others do the above will help

jannier · 25/08/2025 19:46

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:01

They don’t have free access to the toilet

How do they use the toilet then wait for someone to take them? Normally 3 year olds take themselves unless they ask for help first...our nursery has 40 children to 4 staff one of which is always outside.

Cuwins · 25/08/2025 19:45

Is it by any chance a school nursery? The one attached our local school seems to have much bigger expectations of kids for independent skills than I think is sensible

Cuwins · 25/08/2025 19:42

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 18:43

Is it reasonable to expect nursery staff to help a just turned 3 year old with the following:

  • pulling their trousers down when they need the toilet (and back up again after)
  • Changing from shoes to wellies and back again
  • putting on and zipping up coat/ unzipping coat to help child take off coat independently
  • changing top/ bottoms if drink spilled
  • getting handsoap from dispenser (they can wash their own hands after that)

We’re currently working on these at home but don’t have them nailed just yet and they are still a work in progress. Some are definitely trickier for dc and will take more time than others

Yes I would expect them to help if needed as long as you have been clear what they need help with still. My 3.5 can do her own trousers fine if she is in leggings or tracksuit bottoms so make sure you stick to easy pull stuff (however she will pretend she can’t!), she would need help getting the right feet for shoes and wellies but can otherwise do them but this is reasonably recently mastered, I’m actually not sure about getting a coat as it’s so long since she has worn one. She can definitely unzip one and can pull a zip up but pretty sure she can’t feed the zip in (Look at getting a zip buddy to make pulling the zip up easier), she can change her trousers and t-shirt although they might end up on back to front but struggles with a jumper or long sleeve top, soap she is fine with a carex type bottle but I have never tried her with a dispenser like in public toilets as she can’t reach easily so I do it.
DD is very average in skills I think so I don’t think your little one is behind at 3, I think at 3 DD would have needed help to change her clothes.
Just bear in mind depending on ratios he may have to wait (will probably encourage him to learn faster) longer than you would like. DD goes to a small pre school with quite a high ratio, a friends little one goes to a big nursery with just legal ratios and often has to wait if he needs help.

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:42

Purpleturtle45 · 25/08/2025 19:38

Yes I would expect a nursery to help support and encourage the child to do this and provide assistance where necessary. I am a primary teacher and there are plenty 6 year olds who can't zip up their own jacket.

Thanks that is good to know- feeling less stressed now!

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Purpleturtle45 · 25/08/2025 19:38

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 18:43

Is it reasonable to expect nursery staff to help a just turned 3 year old with the following:

  • pulling their trousers down when they need the toilet (and back up again after)
  • Changing from shoes to wellies and back again
  • putting on and zipping up coat/ unzipping coat to help child take off coat independently
  • changing top/ bottoms if drink spilled
  • getting handsoap from dispenser (they can wash their own hands after that)

We’re currently working on these at home but don’t have them nailed just yet and they are still a work in progress. Some are definitely trickier for dc and will take more time than others

Yes I would expect a nursery to help support and encourage the child to do this and provide assistance where necessary. I am a primary teacher and there are plenty 6 year olds who can't zip up their own jacket.

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:37

Tumbleweed101 · 25/08/2025 19:28

We would support a young 3yo with all those things whilst helping them to learn to do it independently. It's part of the teaching so that they can do these things before they start school.

Thank you- that’s very reassuring

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Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:36

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 25/08/2025 19:29

Wearing clothes that are easy to pull up and down and take on and off is key.
The soap dispenser should be at their level

Agree with this. Op I wouldn't put jeans on your DC or anything that is difficult for them to pull up.
But yes, I'd expect nursery to help if a DC couldn't. How are you aware they aren't helping. Have they said it to you?

It’s a new nursery. They sent a checklist of expectations and I’m concerned as my child can’t do all of them fully independently yet. I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t acquire all those skills in time but I’m worried about how the nursery will respond to that

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stichguru · 25/08/2025 19:33

I agree with people, it's not reasonable to completely refuse to help a child with any of these, but if he is needed help with ALL of these things EVERYTIME he needs the toilet that's quite a lot of help. Is he able to let you know he needs a wee before he is desperate? If he can say "I need a wee", then either wait until someone has just finished helping another child, or start the process, but may need a hand after, that should be fine. If he's going say he needs a wee now, and then require an adult to immediately drop what they are doing with other children to take him and stay with him throughout the process, he probably needs to be with younger children so that the ratios are higher, or not start nursery until he is a little more advanced.

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 25/08/2025 19:29

Wearing clothes that are easy to pull up and down and take on and off is key.
The soap dispenser should be at their level

Agree with this. Op I wouldn't put jeans on your DC or anything that is difficult for them to pull up.
But yes, I'd expect nursery to help if a DC couldn't. How are you aware they aren't helping. Have they said it to you?

Tumbleweed101 · 25/08/2025 19:28

We would support a young 3yo with all those things whilst helping them to learn to do it independently. It's part of the teaching so that they can do these things before they start school.

Bitzee · 25/08/2025 19:28

Mine went to school nursery, one at just turned 3 as summer born and they would be expected to do all of those independently except zip up the coat, would still be expected to put it on though and maybe they couldn’t change their top but honestly that doesn’t happen that often as they wear smocks for messy stuff.

Buy velcro shoes. Make sure they’re wearing jogging bottoms that aren’t too tight because they’re the easiest to get up and down. Look up the montessori method for the coat. Encourage them always to try themselves first before helping. They will get there. And if they’re going to a regular day nursery and not a school nursery they’ll likely be at a lower ratio so have extra hands to help.

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:28

passmeaglass · 25/08/2025 19:20

My DS 3 yrs and 3 wks can do some of these but not all. Definitely can’t dress himself would happily run round naked if we left him to it and he’s onto recently potty trained so is starting to do his own pants and trousers but it’s a work in progress. Nursery are helping with everything and encourage and teaching him to be able to do them on his own

Thank you that’s really reassuring

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Arran2024 · 25/08/2025 19:27

They have to make reasonable adjustments for sen. Is this a possibility? You mentioned "being behind", which is a confusing term as it suggests a childcwill catch up, but sometimes they don't. Speak to nursery.

cabbageking · 25/08/2025 19:25

Help zipping up.
Help changing to wellies if on the small size.

The rest I would expect the child to be able or nearly able to do.
Wearing clothes that are easy to pull up and down and take on and off is key.

The soap dispenser should be at their level.

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:25

Tree6543 · 25/08/2025 19:17

Yes I would, but I would expect that help to look like support and encouragement to help them learn to do it themselves rather than completely doing it for them. Overall, most things you teach them work like this - as soon as you’re doing it every time I find the motivation to learn vanishes!

Of course and I mostly agree this is the case. But there are some things they don’t have the motor skills for yet. Eg they don’t know right and left feet. They can’t feed a zip. Some soap dispensers require more strength to push down. I thought this would be fairly common at their age but it seems I’m wrong on that

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Greencustardmonster · 25/08/2025 19:25

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:19

Do you think not being able to do those things at 3 (and one month) is indicative of SEN?

Not necessarily, just that at the settings my kids attended the Senco was often the person who had ideas about ways to teach putting a coat on I hadn’t thought of or who knew the easiest shoes to put on or who coordinated talking to staff about particular needs, for whatever reason.

Greencustardmonster · 25/08/2025 19:24

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:19

Do you think not being able to do those things at 3 (and one month) is indicative of SEN?

Not necessarily, just that at the settings my kids attended the Senco was often the person who had ideas about ways to teach putting a coat on I hadn’t thought of or who knew the easiest shoes to put on or who coordinated talking to staff about particular needs, for whatever reason.

legoplaybook · 25/08/2025 19:21

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:17

Yes we are working on all these things and there has been great progress lately but as I said we’re not there yet. I’m hoping they will be understanding and supportive

Don't stress but keep practising and make sure you aren't putting them in difficult clothes or shoes! No lace ups or skinny jeans.

Tree6543 · 25/08/2025 19:20

That being said, I would expect them to be helpful and supportive if you’re both trying your best and if they’re not, I wouldn’t say that is ideal.

My DD decided she didn’t want to wear a nappy any more just after 2 on a bank holiday weekend. She was not completely without accidents by the Tuesday for a week or two and the nursery really did support and help her.

passmeaglass · 25/08/2025 19:20

My DS 3 yrs and 3 wks can do some of these but not all. Definitely can’t dress himself would happily run round naked if we left him to it and he’s onto recently potty trained so is starting to do his own pants and trousers but it’s a work in progress. Nursery are helping with everything and encourage and teaching him to be able to do them on his own

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:19

Greencustardmonster · 25/08/2025 19:16

Yes it’s reasonable to expect support for your child. It’s also reasonable that occasionally they won’t be able to immediately help him with what by age 3 are fairly uncommon things to need support with - they aren’t staffed to be able to be 1:1 for several minutes to take him to the toilet, do his clothes, wait for him to use the toilet, assist him with clothing again, help him wash his hands etc. It’s also reasonable for them to be pushing him to be independent and not always step in to do tasks that possible if he struggled for a minute he’d figure out for himself - my own child only learnt to pull his own pants and trousers up when I had my second and he just had to wait a minute if I was busy with a newborn. Suddenly he managed by himself.

Have you asked to speak to the senco or a manager about coming up with a plan for supporting him or if there’s strategies they can put it place?

Do you think not being able to do those things at 3 (and one month) is indicative of SEN?

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Tree6543 · 25/08/2025 19:17

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:05

My child is clearly behind. But is it reasonable to presume a nursery would expect some variation in development and support those who still need it?

Yes I would, but I would expect that help to look like support and encouragement to help them learn to do it themselves rather than completely doing it for them. Overall, most things you teach them work like this - as soon as you’re doing it every time I find the motivation to learn vanishes!

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:17

legoplaybook · 25/08/2025 19:07

They will help and encourage but the expectation will be that the children are working towards independence.

Yes we are working on all these things and there has been great progress lately but as I said we’re not there yet. I’m hoping they will be understanding and supportive

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Greencustardmonster · 25/08/2025 19:16

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:05

My child is clearly behind. But is it reasonable to presume a nursery would expect some variation in development and support those who still need it?

Yes it’s reasonable to expect support for your child. It’s also reasonable that occasionally they won’t be able to immediately help him with what by age 3 are fairly uncommon things to need support with - they aren’t staffed to be able to be 1:1 for several minutes to take him to the toilet, do his clothes, wait for him to use the toilet, assist him with clothing again, help him wash his hands etc. It’s also reasonable for them to be pushing him to be independent and not always step in to do tasks that possible if he struggled for a minute he’d figure out for himself - my own child only learnt to pull his own pants and trousers up when I had my second and he just had to wait a minute if I was busy with a newborn. Suddenly he managed by himself.

Have you asked to speak to the senco or a manager about coming up with a plan for supporting him or if there’s strategies they can put it place?

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