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Help for a 3 year old at nursery

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Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 18:43

Is it reasonable to expect nursery staff to help a just turned 3 year old with the following:

  • pulling their trousers down when they need the toilet (and back up again after)
  • Changing from shoes to wellies and back again
  • putting on and zipping up coat/ unzipping coat to help child take off coat independently
  • changing top/ bottoms if drink spilled
  • getting handsoap from dispenser (they can wash their own hands after that)

We’re currently working on these at home but don’t have them nailed just yet and they are still a work in progress. Some are definitely trickier for dc and will take more time than others

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Perfectmixofcute · 26/08/2025 09:03

Tablet/Ipad use in young children is a problem. We are seeing the effects every single day in society. In years to come I think we will look back on it like we do with smoking now and be shocked at what people were doing.

Denim4ever · 26/08/2025 00:12

There will be lots of 3 year olds who struggle with some or all of those things. Our DS was born premmie and very tiny. Intellectually he was fine but zips and buttons he found impossible until around end of Yr 1 at school. He went to a Montessori nursery which helped with delayed motor skills overall. He was exceptionally small, 2 yrs behind in clothing sizes. Now a strapping 6 footer

DollyMixers · 26/08/2025 00:03

My literally just turned 3 year old isn’t reliably potty trained at all (we’re desperately working on it but it’s not clicking!) but can wash his hands on his own and get himself dressed. Cant yet zip his coat though.
extremely advanced at talking/understanding and also other fine motor skills though, they all develop at different rates and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
I honestly wouldn’t panic op!

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 25/08/2025 23:37

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Perfectmixofcute · 25/08/2025 23:26

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 25/08/2025 22:13

Mine has a speech delay. Nothing to do with using a tablet. You sound judgemental.

You sound defensive. If your child has never used ANY phones/Ipads/tablets then you’re doing a stellar job and no need to feel personally attacked. I’m speaking from extensive experience.

TheTwitcher11 · 25/08/2025 22:30

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:17

Yes we are working on all these things and there has been great progress lately but as I said we’re not there yet. I’m hoping they will be understanding and supportive

Yes, they should help.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 25/08/2025 22:20

Mine is the same age. He can take and put his shoes on and pull his trousers up/down. Very good at getting his clothes on and off. Also can wash his hands. He is however not potty trained and has limited speech but we do have a year before school!

jannier · 25/08/2025 22:14

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 25/08/2025 19:57

You expect a 3 year old to independently zip up their coat?

Some do I've had under 3s do it....but if you never ask them to try they won't. I start by joining up zip holding their hands and they pull zip up independently. Others stick at the needing me to hold the zip together over their hands for a few months. Threading toys really help with this.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 25/08/2025 22:13

Perfectmixofcute · 25/08/2025 19:53

I work in a school nursery. At the new parents meeting in July we ask parents to work on all of the above skills during the summer with the expectation that most children should be able to do those tasks at the age of three that don’t have any additional needs.

Sadly a lot of children don’t have the fine and gross motor skills needed for such tasks because they simply don’t build the muscles needed in their hands due to being on phones/tablets/iPads for large amounts of time. No child under secondary school age needs one!

We have to spend a lot of time working on these skills by doing dough disco, tinkering tables etc. I’ve been a nursery nurse for 22 years and it’s become a huge problem over the last five years.

Don’t get me started on the speech and language delays or attention span deficits they’ve caused too 🤦‍♀️

Mine has a speech delay. Nothing to do with using a tablet. You sound judgemental.

jannier · 25/08/2025 22:03

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:05

My child is clearly behind. But is it reasonable to presume a nursery would expect some variation in development and support those who still need it?

To an extent but it would also depend on the number of children needing support, staff ratio and if a child has a SEND unfortunately lots are behind and some because parents haven't worked on a skill, that means over stretched staff and less attention for those struggling

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 21:17

Morecoffeethanks · 25/08/2025 20:56

This sounds like the list of things my nearly four year old was expected to do when she started pre-school last September. She couldn’t do many of them when she started but by October half term was doing all of it, she learnt so much quicker from other children. The staff didn’t seem to mind helping her and never mentioned anything to me about her development being delayed.

Thanks for this. Was worried my dc would be the only one who couldn’t do everything! They have only just turned 3 too so I’m perhaps worrying unnecessarily

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Morecoffeethanks · 25/08/2025 20:56

This sounds like the list of things my nearly four year old was expected to do when she started pre-school last September. She couldn’t do many of them when she started but by October half term was doing all of it, she learnt so much quicker from other children. The staff didn’t seem to mind helping her and never mentioned anything to me about her development being delayed.

stichguru · 25/08/2025 20:41

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 20:05

Ah that’s great thank you!
I don’t know about their soap dispensers to be fair- I’m just going on what I see my child doing/ struggling with at home and in public loos

Don't forget that most things in public loos are NOT designed at 3 year olds height, nor are most normal house bathrooms. Nursery and reception-year 2 areas will almost certainly be designed with the kids' probably height in mind!

Perfectmixofcute · 25/08/2025 20:14

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 25/08/2025 19:57

You expect a 3 year old to independently zip up their coat?

Once upon a time yes. But sadly due the reasons I stated, most children don’t have the development of the fine motor skills needed to be able to do this. It was never an issue years ago.

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 20:14

SayDoWhatNow · 25/08/2025 20:06

My DS just turned 3 and would need help with most of these.

For example he can take his shoes off (and put them away) and put on wellies. But he can't get his feet into his shoes by himself yet.

If you hold his coat he can put his arms in. And can unzip it and take it off. But he wouldn't be able to put the end of the zip in the zipper so would need help with that.

I honestly don't think he is behind at all. He's not really advanced either, but totally within the range of normal when compared with his peers and making steady progress in becoming more independent.

He's in a day nursery and no-one has ever raised it as an issue. He's starting a school nursery soon and it's not been raised as an issue on his settling days there either.

Thanks so much for this. I’m feeling very reassured

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SayDoWhatNow · 25/08/2025 20:06

My DS just turned 3 and would need help with most of these.

For example he can take his shoes off (and put them away) and put on wellies. But he can't get his feet into his shoes by himself yet.

If you hold his coat he can put his arms in. And can unzip it and take it off. But he wouldn't be able to put the end of the zip in the zipper so would need help with that.

I honestly don't think he is behind at all. He's not really advanced either, but totally within the range of normal when compared with his peers and making steady progress in becoming more independent.

He's in a day nursery and no-one has ever raised it as an issue. He's starting a school nursery soon and it's not been raised as an issue on his settling days there either.

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 20:05

Greencustardmonster · 25/08/2025 19:58

For the right and left feet issue, have you tried this method?

https://lifehacker.com/help-kids-put-their-shoes-on-the-right-feet-with-the-st-1834777298

We used a sharpie on the insole to draw an picture and it helped my son enormously. He still didn’t know left from right but it meant he could put his shoes on!

I’d expect the soap dispensers to be easily operated by a preschooler in a nursery. If your child can’t do zips get them a coat with a Velcro “storm flap” so the zip isn’t essential.

Ah that’s great thank you!
I don’t know about their soap dispensers to be fair- I’m just going on what I see my child doing/ struggling with at home and in public loos

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Tree6543 · 25/08/2025 20:04

I do agree with the zipping up coat one - many primary age kids struggle with that! They just don’t bother to zip it up and flap around with it though 🙈

Greencustardmonster · 25/08/2025 19:58

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:25

Of course and I mostly agree this is the case. But there are some things they don’t have the motor skills for yet. Eg they don’t know right and left feet. They can’t feed a zip. Some soap dispensers require more strength to push down. I thought this would be fairly common at their age but it seems I’m wrong on that

For the right and left feet issue, have you tried this method?

https://lifehacker.com/help-kids-put-their-shoes-on-the-right-feet-with-the-st-1834777298

We used a sharpie on the insole to draw an picture and it helped my son enormously. He still didn’t know left from right but it meant he could put his shoes on!

I’d expect the soap dispensers to be easily operated by a preschooler in a nursery. If your child can’t do zips get them a coat with a Velcro “storm flap” so the zip isn’t essential.

Help Kids Put Their Shoes on the Right Feet With the 'Sticker Trick'

Do you have a child who gets confused about which shoe goes on which foot? Do you have a sticker? Then try this classic parent hack.Cut the sticker do

https://lifehacker.com/help-kids-put-their-shoes-on-the-right-feet-with-the-st-1834777298

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 25/08/2025 19:57

Perfectmixofcute · 25/08/2025 19:53

I work in a school nursery. At the new parents meeting in July we ask parents to work on all of the above skills during the summer with the expectation that most children should be able to do those tasks at the age of three that don’t have any additional needs.

Sadly a lot of children don’t have the fine and gross motor skills needed for such tasks because they simply don’t build the muscles needed in their hands due to being on phones/tablets/iPads for large amounts of time. No child under secondary school age needs one!

We have to spend a lot of time working on these skills by doing dough disco, tinkering tables etc. I’ve been a nursery nurse for 22 years and it’s become a huge problem over the last five years.

Don’t get me started on the speech and language delays or attention span deficits they’ve caused too 🤦‍♀️

You expect a 3 year old to independently zip up their coat?

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:54

jannier · 25/08/2025 19:46

How do they use the toilet then wait for someone to take them? Normally 3 year olds take themselves unless they ask for help first...our nursery has 40 children to 4 staff one of which is always outside.

They have to ask to go. This surprised me as not all children have the language skills at 3 though most do

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Perfectmixofcute · 25/08/2025 19:53

I work in a school nursery. At the new parents meeting in July we ask parents to work on all of the above skills during the summer with the expectation that most children should be able to do those tasks at the age of three that don’t have any additional needs.

Sadly a lot of children don’t have the fine and gross motor skills needed for such tasks because they simply don’t build the muscles needed in their hands due to being on phones/tablets/iPads for large amounts of time. No child under secondary school age needs one!

We have to spend a lot of time working on these skills by doing dough disco, tinkering tables etc. I’ve been a nursery nurse for 22 years and it’s become a huge problem over the last five years.

Don’t get me started on the speech and language delays or attention span deficits they’ve caused too 🤦‍♀️

Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:52

Wherewithout · 25/08/2025 19:51

I’m really surprised by these responses - I would have thought most just turned 3 year olds would still need a bit of help with these sort of things!

I do also think they learn very quickly at this age, especially when they are in a scenario where they have to do it themselves and all their friends are doing it as well.

I’m so glad I’m not the only who thinks that! And you’re absolutely right- they do learn very quickly at this age. Thanks for making me feel better!

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Sunsetswimming · 25/08/2025 19:51

stichguru · 25/08/2025 19:33

I agree with people, it's not reasonable to completely refuse to help a child with any of these, but if he is needed help with ALL of these things EVERYTIME he needs the toilet that's quite a lot of help. Is he able to let you know he needs a wee before he is desperate? If he can say "I need a wee", then either wait until someone has just finished helping another child, or start the process, but may need a hand after, that should be fine. If he's going say he needs a wee now, and then require an adult to immediately drop what they are doing with other children to take him and stay with him throughout the process, he probably needs to be with younger children so that the ratios are higher, or not start nursery until he is a little more advanced.

They can say they need the loo in advance but they are very shy around new people and might not to begin with. However, the children don’t have free access to the toilets but can go on request so I’m hoping they overcome their shyness quickly. They do struggle to pull trousers down enough and can then wee on their clothes but this is getting better. More time is needed.
I get what you’re saying about staffing but I think being with younger children or not in nursery at all will be detrimental to their development rather than helpful and it seems from the nursery and primary school teachers who’ve responded that they will likely be supportive of them and where they’re at

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Wherewithout · 25/08/2025 19:51

I’m really surprised by these responses - I would have thought most just turned 3 year olds would still need a bit of help with these sort of things!

I do also think they learn very quickly at this age, especially when they are in a scenario where they have to do it themselves and all their friends are doing it as well.

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