Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Albu to expect my husband to earn more?

117 replies

gymboe · 25/08/2025 09:55

met dh nearly 20 years ago. He’s self employed in creative industry.

im employed full time. When we met I was on £18k. I’m now on £60k.

we have 3 kids. And life is vvvv expensive.

we’ve stayed in same small house we purchased since we were in our 20s.

he has never earned reliably. Sometimes it’s been great and other times it’s terrible. People don’t pay on time. He works weird hours and long Hours and struggles to consistently contribute to house. He puts in £600 and then a few weeks later £300 and at end of month maybe another few hundred etc etc. it’s teeny amounts and on random days. on the flip side I typically contribute £2500 on the first of each month. And then Pay for kids stuff out my own money (days out, school shoes etc)

we are always in our overdraft. He’s lied about having credit cards. He lied and hid 10k of debt. He lies about how much work he has. He’s constantly in overdraft. He says he doesn’t know when money is coming in. He has no work booked in September for example but “remains hopeful something will come up”. He’s constantly plugging one hole by taking from another pot and creating Another.

as we are now in our 40s I’m finding it all very draining. He’s recently taken on a 2 day a week job minimum wage (admin) which I found and insisted he applied for. It provides a third of what we need from him really. This means even longer hours and less help with kids. I’m on my own a lot these days.

I know it’s crap out there and Covid and AI have affected businesses but I never thought I’d be trapped in a job I don’t love, struggling to survive. In a house that is tiny, not able to afford own car, not been on holiday in 15 years (beyond camping)

I want him to stop. Get a full time job/retrain etc.

but he says “I’m good at it” “I want to be happy” “it does earn money” “no one else will
employ me”

if I try to discuss he goes into a dramatic depression pity rant and makes no changes.

leaving him is not an option. But what I saw in him at 20 was not how I thought we would be all
these years later.

OP posts:
Meadowfinch · 25/08/2025 13:50

Can he get a basic but essential qualification - pool life guarding for example. Most pools offers shifts to a group of regular lifeguards, but not regular hours. That would mean he could take shifts around his creative work and increase his income that way He won't be rich but at least he'll be working more hours.

Or a zero hours contract driving job, delivering cars (I assume he can drive).

He's a grown up with children who need feeding and clothing - saying he's creative and wants to be happy won't cut it any more. He has responsibilities.

BadSkiingMum · 25/08/2025 13:48

On the whole I think that we need to accept that the people we love don’t generally change all that much (abuse, adultery and addiction aside). The seeds of who he is now were probably there for you to see when he was a young man. You might be able to persuade him to make small changes to his work life, but fundamentally he is who he is.

It all hinges on whether you want to stay in the marriage…

I have been on MN a very long time and have read dozens of threads about artistic, musical and ‘creative’ husbands. They all have common threads of long hours, irregular earnings and lack of domestic responsibilities. My favourite was the man who wanted to make it in Nashville, leaving his poor DW to look after their small DC and earn a living…

Alongside anything that could be done work-wise - could some form of business mentoring help? - if you want to remain in the relationship I think it could be useful to reflect on his positive characteristics.

Remember that there would also be disadvantages to having a highly driven, successful and money-oriented spouse. You have clearly done well but there are a lot of men around who earn far more than you. How would it feel to be the lower earner and have someone turn a critical lens on your work, earning power and overall success in life? No one should do that of course, but reflecting on how that might feel could be helpful.

My own DH is highly driven and successful (I am too but in a much lower paying sector!) and it took me a long time to realise that some of his characteristics that I found tricky to live with also made him who he was - a highly competent and attractive man - and that I wouldn’t have been attracted to someone of the opposite personality type.

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 25/08/2025 13:42

Sounds like you would be better off without him, as a man he should at least contribute 50% towards his family, he seems happy to let you do it and he’s a liar that would be it for me

Thebigonesgetaway · 25/08/2025 13:30

Why should he change, you pick up the slack, he can pretty much do as he pleases. And he clearly thinks he can continue to live off you, which is what he’s doing, and not support his kids. Again what he’s doing, he prob doesn’t even pay just his share. He thinks you will just keep paying to be with him. So I’d consider if he’s right or not.

Noshowlomo · 25/08/2025 13:29

He’s not contributing to the finances and he’s not contributing to family life and he’s a liar in debt.. you know what you need to do

Chazbots · 25/08/2025 13:18

I know you said you won't leave him but I'd divorce him, otherwise you'll be keeping him in retirement.

C8H10N4O2 · 25/08/2025 13:16

Out of interest - what is this job? Is it content creation by any chance?

C8H10N4O2 · 25/08/2025 13:14

gymboe · 25/08/2025 13:04

No way does he do all the work. He works so many hours and it’s completely random. Including the weekend. He used to pick up once a week but can’t commit to that anymore as he works his other job. He is so random that he can’t promise he will always be around every Monday for example. He could be miles away, at a meeting, working weird hours.

He chose to have DC, he chose to take that responsibility. If, after 20 years he still can’t make a regular living in his preferred job then as a father he needs to grow up and find regular work in another field. His current choice of job isn’t only failing to support his DC financially, its the excuse to opt out of regular commitments of any kind toward them. A regular job, even if not highly paid would allow him to make more home commitments.

However its the lying which would kill me, rather than the income disparity. A couple can cope with a great deal if both are putting in the hours across the work/home spread but a liar who centres his own wishes over the wellbeing of his DC and family would not last long with me.

Mrsttcno1 · 25/08/2025 13:13

The bottom line really is that you can’t force an adult to change, all you can do is control how much of an impact their decisions have on you and for how long.

You could try one last chat, set out clear expectations that he must pay £X each month into the family pot, how he earns that and does that is up to him but it needs to be a non-negotiable payment every single month to the household, and if he can’t do that as it is then he needs to finds another job, full time, salaried, now. If he’s not prepared to do either then you either walk away, or you stay and accept that you’re choosing this life for yourself.

That’s really all you can do. He will make his own decisions, you get to control how much impact they have on you.

Meandmyguy · 25/08/2025 13:10

I had a partner like this and got rid of him.

Best thing I ever did.

It is hard to carry another adult and I'll never do it again.

gymboe · 25/08/2025 13:04

No way does he do all the work. He works so many hours and it’s completely random. Including the weekend. He used to pick up once a week but can’t commit to that anymore as he works his other job. He is so random that he can’t promise he will always be around every Monday for example. He could be miles away, at a meeting, working weird hours.

OP posts:
PollyBell · 25/08/2025 13:01

naomisno1fan · 25/08/2025 11:56

He’s a freeloader.

unfortunately you often don’t discover this until you are already tied emotionally & practically.

he’s behaving like a child. So maybe he needs treated like a child?

if you really want to stay rather than leave then take over the finances 100%. Everything both you earn goes into your solo account. You pay the bills etc and if what he has contributed isn’t 50% then he gets no non essential expenditure for himself. If he wants more the onus is then on him to earn more.

Why is he a freeholder but lots of women who dont work are not?

LegoMaxifigure · 25/08/2025 13:00

But does he do all the home work, picking up kids when they are sick, meeting them at clubs and bringing home (i appreciate you don't have a car) Washing and cleaning and remembering world book day?

If he does, that gives you more time and space to work. If he doesn't, that's super unfair.

AmusedMaker · 25/08/2025 12:55

I’m really sorry you’re in this situation and completely understand your disappointment.
absolutely no question, he has to get a fulltime job, even if it’s minimum wage. At least it’s regular money coming in and you can plan.
I’d rather know I had a regular income of £1500.00 every month than not knowing when the next couple of hundred is coming my way.
He can do his creative stuff at the weekends.

naomisno1fan · 25/08/2025 11:56

He’s a freeloader.

unfortunately you often don’t discover this until you are already tied emotionally & practically.

he’s behaving like a child. So maybe he needs treated like a child?

if you really want to stay rather than leave then take over the finances 100%. Everything both you earn goes into your solo account. You pay the bills etc and if what he has contributed isn’t 50% then he gets no non essential expenditure for himself. If he wants more the onus is then on him to earn more.

spoonbillstretford · 25/08/2025 11:51

YANBU. DD1 earned more than him in her gap year before university.

Pregnancyquestion · 25/08/2025 11:51

Crazybigtoe · 25/08/2025 10:10

Calculate a budget together. Agree how much each will contribute. (Might be a ramp up....)... He is an adult so should know the impact of him not stepping up....

If you are contributing £2500, that leaves you around £1200 each month in your own kitty. If he has none, is that fair? You are married...but no joint finances?

I truly understand your frustration...but tbh if I was in his position, I'd have little motivation to change.

Are you mad? Of course it’s fair, he is choosing to stay practically unemployed. Why on earth should she share the money that she has left and pay for the majority of the household

Weekmindedfool · 25/08/2025 11:49

The lying isn’t really the issue. The issue is OP knows she made a mistake marrying someone in his job position/with his outlook on life. At the time it wasn’t an issue but now they are older with kids she’s wants more/change and is frustrated with her life choices. It’s resentment that he doesn’t earn enough so she can do what she now wants. He isn’t going to change now. So if you want more OP You are going to have to make it happen yourself. And you are going to have to stop blaming him or the resentment will destroy your relationship, assuming there is anything left in there to save.

fthisfthatfeverything · 25/08/2025 11:48

Doesn’t he feel bad letting his wife be the bread winner ?

pikkumyy77 · 25/08/2025 11:45

mugglewump · 25/08/2025 11:09

The creative industries are in the doldrums. But creative types identify massively with their skill set and this is probably why he is reluctant to retrain. He also clearly feels under pressure from you, hence the lying. Pushing him in to min wage jobs will just make him feel worse. The status quo is no good for any of you. I think you need to have a big heart to heart and look at all your spending as well as what he could do in the future. Can you save money anywhere? Could you afford for him to do a PGCE? Lots of creatives go into teaching as second careers.

Really? Its her fault he isn’t competent, lies, gets into debt, and doesn’t notice he has three children to support?

Statsquestion1 · 25/08/2025 11:41

What is your income vs outgoings? Surely a 60k wage topped up by his (albeit variable and not reliable) should be enough to live on?

MinnieCauldwell · 25/08/2025 11:40

I think he is lazy as well as a liar.
Bet he has no pension and will mooch of you in retirement. I really think you may need to consider a way to separate before he gets your pension too.

Optimist2020 · 25/08/2025 11:37

@gymboe if you leave him, he would have to earn more money and learn to budget. You should ask him to budget on his income as a single man and so he can say how far his income stretches without you financially propping him up .

gymboe · 25/08/2025 11:36

Re the mortgage we just consolidated some debt to it and it’s less than 200k.

OP posts:
gymboe · 25/08/2025 11:35

The lying is an issue. In total it was well over 20k of debt. And owing to people at the business too (freelancer that helped him). He’s still not cleared this, it’s just moved around. The debt causes more issues too as he needs to earmark money for repayments.

but I can clearly see the work is changing. People don’t have huge budgets anymore and before Covid some of his jobs were 20k and now he’s lucky if he gets a few bookings for a thousand. A few jobs for a few hundred. Etc. it’s very sporadic.

OP posts: