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Remove verbally abusive boyfriend out the granny flat

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Mumofadultkid · 25/08/2025 03:09

My DD lives in a type of granny flat on our land. She has done some pretty awful things and I have posted before and got some good advice and some different perspectives (which were all the same funnily enough), and now she is ramping up and her boyfriend has just sent us a message saying that if it were up to him, he wouldn't let her have her have a relationship with us. And his last paragraph was "go f* yourselves". This was in response to a request for more money towards electricity, as it has more than doubled, and we just can't afford it.

So, to quickly explain, my husband and I went into debt (released equity from our home) to enable them to buy this little house/granny flat. We have let them put it on our land, we are not charging them for that, and all we have asked is that they pay the loan back with regular payments. They promised they would do it within 2 years. Soon after they moved in, they defaulted on the first payment. It was one month after they moved in.

Then she stopped working, and then he cut his hours down. So they are roughly all up now on 1/3 of what they were on before. Through their decisions.

We are constantly told we are narcissistic, mentally and emotionally abusive, and we don't respect their boundaries and have been told in no uncertain terms that we are now formally estranged from them.

It really does feel like we have been played; it is our fault, we have never said no, and it seems like when we do, we get heaps of vitriol from her. In the past in panic, we have just given in ( I know! I know what you are going to say).

But now, after this email, we want to get him away - I feel like a prisoner in my own home. I just don't understand how you can speak to someone like this when we have done everything we can to help them. I get that she is feeding him with her narrative (he had a really troubled upbringing) and she connected with him as she told him "she had the same". And when I say no way, I mean no way. He had a really, really hard life. I am not sure DD knows what a hard life is, she has wanted for nothing.

This appears to be a pattern with her - and she has lost all her friends, she has one that she is close to at the moment, but she is using her ( I know that sounds awful) but she needs something from her and from next year - once she has got what she wants from her she will find a way to cancel her too, like she has all her other friends.

We are seeing a lawyer next week to trespass him off our home. We can't bring ourselves to do it to DD yet, but if we don't make a stand, I just don't know where this will end. He is very beligerant, we have made really reasonable requests in the past and he has just point-blank refused. And it is getting more aggressive. The emails and the messages are coming with us to the lawyers.

I suppose I am just looking for support. I know people will say blame the parents, and I get it. But believe me when I tell you - we have been so supportive, financially, emotionally, and physically and I just feel like this gentle parenting and not saying no to kids has really backfired on us. It feels like every time we say no we can't, we get verbally attacked. And I see how social media influencers are telling people to 'cut their toxic parents' out of their lives, without actually explaining what true toxicity is. There are people who have had a horrendous upbringing, and I don't discount that. This is not what my DD upbringing has been like.

It's making me ill, I have chest pains, and I am so stressed, and we are trying to plan for retirement and when we mention that, we just get "it's all about the money with you". We've tried to help them get ahead, at our expense - emotionally and financially.

If we let them stay, they will continue to at least make payments to the loan, but at what cost? If we ask him to leave, she is there on her own with no money, so no payments! I don't think she will move with him, and he will have to move back home to his lovely mum. We could sell it, but it won't cover the outstanding debt. We could ask them to get their own loan, but based on their income, I don't think they will get a loan.

I just feel so stuck and so sick.

It has been the worst decision we have ever made.

Please be kind

OP posts:
NewsdeskJC · 25/08/2025 09:41

And id write the money off. If you stick to your decision not to put loads of money her way at every crisis, you will find you can manage

Motnight · 25/08/2025 09:37

Loubylie · 25/08/2025 08:59

I think this is your only option. Sell up and downsize.
The freeloading bf will disappear hopefully if your daughter can't house him.
I hope your daughter gets help one day. Must be heartbreaking.

Agree.

This is the time to take action, Op. Good luck.

NewsdeskJC · 25/08/2025 09:37

Sounds like a nightmare.
The sensible thing to do is to get them out, sell the mobile home and put it towards the loan balance. Then reorganise your finances so that you can manage.
Forget counselling for her, it sounds like you need counselling for yourself to work out how you mentally allow yourself to do this.

MrsMoastyToasty · 25/08/2025 09:36

What about making a claim for the repayments through the Small Claims Court?

ProudTurtle · 25/08/2025 09:35

hattie43 · 25/08/2025 06:47

How long have they lived in this ‘ mobile home / granny flat , it’s not clear . You can’t just put a residential unit on land and move in without planning permission . I’d get onto a planning consultant or council and ask what the rules are re 4 yrs 10 yrs . If it falls outside this get the councils planning enforcement team on it and they will go through a process to remove it . Your family won’t know who advised them either because that information is private .

This isn’t good advice. Firstly it may not be a breach of planning control if the accommodation meets the definition of a caravan and is being used by family. Secondly even if it were a breach any enforcement notice would be served on the OP as owner of the land

Hufflemuff · 25/08/2025 09:32

At this point you need the loan repayment paid and as little contact as possible for the time being. I would suggest something along lines of:

"You're right, it is all about money right now, as your treatment of me is so disappointing that I do not want much to do with you at the moment on a personal level, although i do love you and hope we can repair our personal relationship in the future. Your boyfriend however, i do not like or love or have any responsibility to house or keep around - it is purely out of necessity that I am not evicting him out on his ear - because I need the pair of you making the payments you agreed to make. So the choice is yours, you either make the payments of £XYZ a month, plus the increased electricity charge of £XYZ or you can find somewhere else to rent and we will AirBnB this until we can sell it."

I would avoid getting into a personal thing about her saying her childhood was hard and shes so hard done by. I would just shut all that down and redirect her back to the topic.

Jollyhockeystickss · 25/08/2025 09:30

Get them both out and list the reasons why then i would message your daughter and say you will always love her and be there for her but her behavior is not ok, that if she is abusive you cant support her and that you will also not tollerate abuse from her partner, that she needs a full time job and to support herself, i would get them out today and say to your daughter she can live in your house for 6 weeks while she finds a room to rent somewhere but that hes not allowed on your property

Cherrysoup · 25/08/2025 09:30

They both need to go, but I think you’ll find they’ll not be easy to remove. Can you cut off the services to the annex?

I would say, don’t discount renting it out (Airbnb or similar) in order to recoup some losses. Is it possible to move it elsewhere on the land?

EdgyCrab · 25/08/2025 09:28

Imisschampagne · 25/08/2025 06:58

Not sure to be honest. The tonality and depiction of being utterly faultless except being too kind and the kid being the sole part to blame because they're truly abhorrent is some kind of a beige flag to me. Doesn't need to be a red flag but sometimes stories like these are not a real depiction of the reality. The responsibility laying on others the gentle parenting kind of fit into the missing missing reasons trope....

plus there are enough replies to OP who already tell her to Evict both of the circumstances are as presented :)

but seeing myself out of this thread. Have a good day!

Agree with this - OP's rather full-on reaction to a gentle correction of what gentle parenting is certainly made me wonder whether we're getting the full story here (noting that we only ever get one side of any story ofc).

Shessweetbutapsycho · 25/08/2025 09:16

Im so sorry to hear you are in this situation. It sounds like your daughter has a personality disorder of some kind, and if this is the case it might be unrealistic to expect drastic changes in how she is currently behaving. I understand you fear doing damage to your relationship with her, but honestly from what you’ve described , it doesn’t sound like a relationship most people would want for themselves anyway. This is a case of making the best of what you have. She won’t change, he won’t change, they won’t repay you. The relationship is completely dysfunctional. You are in a position of financial and emotional stress… do what you need to do to get them out (maybe seek half an hour legal advice first just to double check you aren’t leaving yourself exposed to later action from them), get the cabin on Airbnb and the booking sites, stop hurting yourself in order to meet your daughters every need.

Tiredjusttired · 25/08/2025 09:01

OverlyFragrant · 25/08/2025 08:48

You either evict them both or none of them.
You write that you fear she's going to cut you off. You know what, for your own health and sanity, cut her off.

Unlikely that daughter will cut mother off since mother is the one with land and housing assets. If anything the daughter needs to worry about being cut off.

Lafufufu · 25/08/2025 09:00

Starlight7080 · 25/08/2025 08:59

If you are worried about them damaging your property/cars then get plenty of outdoor cameras. Make it clear to them that any damage they do that you will have it on camera and you will go to the police.
You never know if she stands on he own two feet . Supports herself she may come to realise how much you have done for her and how spoilt she has behaved .
I remember your last post and she has been awful to you. Not just her boyfriend although he definitely needs to go.
You should focus on you and your husband. You need to be able to relax at home.

Agreed

Also the fact you think they'd do this shows you just HOW far this has gone....

Starlight7080 · 25/08/2025 08:59

If you are worried about them damaging your property/cars then get plenty of outdoor cameras. Make it clear to them that any damage they do that you will have it on camera and you will go to the police.
You never know if she stands on he own two feet . Supports herself she may come to realise how much you have done for her and how spoilt she has behaved .
I remember your last post and she has been awful to you. Not just her boyfriend although he definitely needs to go.
You should focus on you and your husband. You need to be able to relax at home.

Loubylie · 25/08/2025 08:59

Glowstickparty · 25/08/2025 08:01

If you sold your property and annex would you better off? I think downsizing could help? Cheaper area? Yes they have behaved badly. You shouldn’t have been put in this position. Always trust your gut in future op.

I think this is your only option. Sell up and downsize.
The freeloading bf will disappear hopefully if your daughter can't house him.
I hope your daughter gets help one day. Must be heartbreaking.

Tiredjusttired · 25/08/2025 08:59

hattie43 · 25/08/2025 06:47

How long have they lived in this ‘ mobile home / granny flat , it’s not clear . You can’t just put a residential unit on land and move in without planning permission . I’d get onto a planning consultant or council and ask what the rules are re 4 yrs 10 yrs . If it falls outside this get the councils planning enforcement team on it and they will go through a process to remove it . Your family won’t know who advised them either because that information is private .

I agree.

I also think the parents might also have breached the conditions of equity release terms which prohibit subletting. The original post suggests the parents have not sought legal or financial advice. Daughter and boyfriend know this which is why they’re taking the mick. They know the parents’ equity release loan will be accumulating compounded interest.

The daughter and her boyfriend are technically ‘licensees’ rather than tenants (assuming no tenancy agreement in place).

the Parents can serve written notice withdrawing permission to live there. If they refuse to leave, possession proceedings can be brought in court. Once permission is revoked, they may be treated as trespassers if they remain. They need to consult a solicitor to handle possession proceedings correctly and avoid unlawful eviction claims.

Gottonsomedraws · 25/08/2025 08:49

ClawsMcGaws · 25/08/2025 08:45

Get them both formally and legally removed. Do it now, because the next step will be that she’s pregnant, and you won’t have the heart to evict a child.

How old is she? I had a friend with awful NPD but in her 30s she’s largely grown out of it.

This is very true, if there’s a child in the mix it makes it complicated for you. I’m sorry but your dd does not respect you, if she did this wouldn’t happen. You have to cut them both loose, do it soon for your own mental health and finances.

OverlyFragrant · 25/08/2025 08:48

Itsseweasy · 25/08/2025 08:46

I remember your previous thread - you were advised then to get them out and off your land.
Are you really surprised that nothing has changed by you taking no action?
Your daughter sounds narcissistic and abusive and you need to get them both out.
Do you really think she’s going to happily live alone in the granny flat and magically see the error of her ways once you’ve kicked the boyfriend out?
It’s clear (and understandable) that you’d want to pin the behaviour all on him but she sounds absolutely awful.
You are enabling all of this and need to stand up to them both

What she said

OverlyFragrant · 25/08/2025 08:48

You either evict them both or none of them.
You write that you fear she's going to cut you off. You know what, for your own health and sanity, cut her off.

justasking111 · 25/08/2025 08:46

First see the GP about your health.
Secondly see the solicitor for advice.

Itsseweasy · 25/08/2025 08:46

I remember your previous thread - you were advised then to get them out and off your land.
Are you really surprised that nothing has changed by you taking no action?
Your daughter sounds narcissistic and abusive and you need to get them both out.
Do you really think she’s going to happily live alone in the granny flat and magically see the error of her ways once you’ve kicked the boyfriend out?
It’s clear (and understandable) that you’d want to pin the behaviour all on him but she sounds absolutely awful.
You are enabling all of this and need to stand up to them both

ClawsMcGaws · 25/08/2025 08:45

Get them both formally and legally removed. Do it now, because the next step will be that she’s pregnant, and you won’t have the heart to evict a child.

How old is she? I had a friend with awful NPD but in her 30s she’s largely grown out of it.

lessglittermoremud · 25/08/2025 08:42

Do you have other children?
You need to ask them both to leave, I would then air b&b the flat/dwelling out to recoup the greatest amount of money back in the quickest amount of time.
It would also mean that you can control the people who are in it and they are only there for a very short time.
Realistically, they are not going to be able to afford to take over a loan and given the relationship breakdown you don’t want them there, things are not going to improve. They are not going to be able to pay you what it’s worth and move it elsewhere either.
It really sounds like a line needs to be drawn, regardless if it was your parenting or if she has some sort of mental health issues/personality disorder your are now at the point the situation is not tenable and they need to move in with his lovely Mother.

MrBeanMustBeMyDad · 25/08/2025 08:41

Are the texts and emails bad enough that the police could issue him/her/them with non molestation orders?
I read your previous post about her. She sounds horrific, and it's really coming over that you don't really want her to face the consequences- I kind of get it but that's why you're in this situation. She needs to face consequences of her actions and that will be what changes her, if anything.

As you say they're not tenants, change the locks, get non molestation orders and tell them, they're responsible for themselves. They'll have to get themselves into the real world. Sell the nanny flat and accept you won't get all the money back- but will get something to decrease your debt.

Also, FWIW gentle parenting isn't parenting without consequence or boundaries. I gentle parent my kids, but the eldest knows (younger two are only young so wouldn't fully understand yet!) That there ate boundaries and limits to what I will accept.

Lafufufu · 25/08/2025 08:38

Florencesndzebedee · 25/08/2025 08:34

Your original post is a bit confusing as you say you ‘ went into debt to enable them to buy this little house/granny flat’. However subsequent posts by you say that everything is in your names?

I think she bought it "for them" and as they were originally going to service the debt she facilitated... she sees it as "theirs" despite it not being theirs at all as it's now being fully funded and is owned by her / her DH.

Florencesndzebedee · 25/08/2025 08:34

Your original post is a bit confusing as you say you ‘ went into debt to enable them to buy this little house/granny flat’. However subsequent posts by you say that everything is in your names?

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