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To not want to live to an old age

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2sidesofcoins · 23/08/2025 16:47

Reading the eldery parents board it has filled me with dread for old age. It has so many wealthy elderly people living in misery, too old to enjoy life anymore, no matter how wealthy.
My generation won't see much of retirement as it's pushed up to 70. We have 2 working parents, a lot more stress, enviromental toxins and will see life expectancy reduce very soon.
But the altenative of having my brain die while I am live on is terrifying. I think I'll be refusing antibiotic treatment and going out with the old persons friend Pneumonia!
I'm mid forties and pissed off at all the age related shite already (Reading glasses, stiff joints, looming menopause, inability to lose weight!!)

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OonaStubbs · 23/08/2025 19:31

I would be happy to die at 80 I think. That is enough life for anyone. What more is there to see or experience after 80 years?

hangerup · 23/08/2025 19:29

@DamnUserName21 medication use statistics

Strawberriesandpears · 23/08/2025 19:28

I fear old age a lot because I will have no family (only child, no children of my own). I fear having to go to hospital appointments etc on my own. I do also wonder what I will have to look forward to in my 70s / 80s / 90s with no grandchildren etc to looks forward to.

I am trying to lean into one of my enjoyable hobbies more and get fully involved in it, and I have also been looking at nice places to live (retirement villages etc).

I am only in my late 30s, and I think some people think I am a bit mad for doing this, but I feel it is so important to plan ahead. I want to be as happy as I can be in old age, because being unhappy is really painful!

DamnUserName21 · 23/08/2025 19:24

hangerup · 23/08/2025 19:21

I've noticed those in their late 80s/90s/100s on fewer medications than those in their 70s and early-mid 80s.

Statistically that isn't true though

What statistics?

However, I did say it was anecdotal...

mondaytosunday · 23/08/2025 19:23

Well you could live much longer and if you keep your body and brain active, are fortunate not to get anything like cancer or dementia, then why wouldn’t you? It’s not a given you will be unwell and miserable! My uncle is 97, still lives on his own and tends his garden. Most of my mothers family lived to around 90, all surviving (and well) serious illnesses but none of them wanted to die when their time came.
Do what you can now to get fit and develop core strength.

hangerup · 23/08/2025 19:21

I've noticed those in their late 80s/90s/100s on fewer medications than those in their 70s and early-mid 80s.

Statistically that isn't true though

DamnUserName21 · 23/08/2025 19:20

It's a real possibility with increased chronic illness related to lifestyle factors such as obesity.

Anecdotally and generally speaking, I've worked in elderly care for the past 10 years, I've noticed those in their late 80s/90s/100s on fewer medications than those in their 70s and early-mid 80s.

Longevity will certainly be impacted by lifestyle factors.

You may wish to consider an Advance Directive.

https://www.nhs.uk/tests-and-treatments/end-of-life-care/planning-ahead/advance-decision-to-refuse-treatment

everardshutthatdoor · 23/08/2025 19:19

The time to decide how you feel about getting old is when you’re approaching it very fast. It’s one thing at forty to say you don’t want to be eighty. Ask yourself the same question at seventy. I don’t want to be old but as the saying goes it’s better than the alternative.

Spookygoose · 23/08/2025 19:14

I feel similar- absolutely terrified of old age but I’ve accepted the reality of it because I decided to have a child. It would be selfish of me not to embrace my life to the (possibly bitter!) end. Maybe I could be selfish if I was child-free but I’m not. I feel that people who choose to have children have a duty to be in the best health they can for as long as possible. Maybe that’s a sacrifice you make when you choose to have kids. It’s never just about you ever again

hangerup · 23/08/2025 19:08

The reason I think he's been able to live to a fairly healthy old age, is keeping physically active, so with that in mind, I try to walk everywhere.

Not having to work post 59 was probably a big part. Lots underestimate the lack of stress on longevity, I assume he financially ok

hangerup · 23/08/2025 19:06

Won't be giving anything to put you out of your misery either though

Absolutely, probably just be left without food and water

arcticpandas · 23/08/2025 19:01

hangerup · 23/08/2025 17:02

But the altenative of having my brain die while I am live on is terrifying. I think I'll be refusing antibiotic treatment and going out with the old persons friend Pneumonia!

The state the NHS will be in by then means you won't be given anything to prolong your life so don't worry too much.

Won't be giving anything to put you out of your misery either though which is why I'm saving up for Dignitas now (45 y old).

Dragonfly97 · 23/08/2025 19:01

My dad had bowel cancer at 39, in 1970. There was no chemo then. He's 92 now, lives on his own, and has a busy social life. He was made redundant at 59, never worked again, and has had over 30 years of retirement, doing pretty much what he wanted.

I hope I've inherited his genes ( apart from the early onset bowel cancer one, obviously, but that's what the 3 yearly routine colonoscopies are for).

The reason I think he's been able to live to a fairly healthy old age, is keeping physically active, so with that in mind, I try to walk everywhere.

The rest is down to luck I think.

bumblebramble · 23/08/2025 18:59

I’m with you op. Nursed my df, and watched him die horribly in hospital. Can’t really talk to anyone about it because it’s just too upsetting, and people don’t need to hear the details. I don’t think I’ll ever forgive myself for not being able to protect him better.

I’m not convinced euthanasia is the answer either, having put a pet down. The vet said she’d never seen an animal react like that, but a quick google suggests that lots do, and that all the vets said something similar.

Had a short hospital stay myself, that was really hard going as an autistic person and it has prompted me to put some careful thought in to my future. Happy to hang in there as long as I’m healthy, fit and independent. But I’m not anticipating a protracted old age.

MadamePiggy · 23/08/2025 18:54

Dontlletmedownbruce · 23/08/2025 17:38

@SociableAtWork I agree, there are 1000s of elderly people being kept alive by medication with zero quality of life, many don't even know they are there. I think the pharm industry is laughing at us. Personally I think there should be something you could sign when young and mentally sound that states at a certain age you can be weaned off life extending medication, just left with pain relief. Similar to a will or DNR. You could specify by age or by condition, for example when I no longer respond to my name, when I cannot feed myself etc. The point being that you could die naturally with dignity when your time comes. Many people would never opt for this but for others it would give them a sense of control over their own destiny. Personally I would be much happier to reach old age knowing I will never be left in that condition for long.

You can do a “living will” or “advance decision to refuse treatment” which is exactly what you describe.

2sidesofcoins · 23/08/2025 18:45

Astrak · 23/08/2025 18:32

I'm 80, a widow, living by myself in a remote rural environment. I have Myalgic Encephalitis, which is tiresome but I work round it, so that I have the required energy to do the things that I enjoy. I read a lot, go and see my beautiful retired Arabian horse at his excellent livery yard, and have interesting conversations with my cat.
When I was working in a professional role, I enjoyed that, but it was, on occasions, very dangerous. The pension that I receive keeps the horse.

My father died when he was 52. My mother at 84. I hope that I can get up to that age or older, as well.

You sound like you have lived a very privledged life.

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myplace · 23/08/2025 18:45

Returnofjude · 23/08/2025 17:58

So age hasn’t had much to do with your DM being a very difficult woman and your MIL being very focussed on her health issues

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They used to be happier. They no longer are. They are miserable, partly as a result of age and infirmity.

2sidesofcoins · 23/08/2025 18:44

lljkk · 23/08/2025 18:39

So Fing miserable. What is wrong with some of you.
I'm convinced that British people have some kind of shame about being happy. They actively look for reasons to be unhappy, angry, sad, because it would be shameful to find / have happiness when there is so much wrong with the world. Seems like that is the mindset.

Just get over it. Your pessimism and misery won't fix anything that is bad in the world.
Every day has opportunities. Any day you can do most or even all the things you want to do, even though some are challenging to achieve, is a good day. Most of us can do something every day to brighten someone else's day and give ourselves purpose and be appreciated.

Friend (age 57) has NF2, symptomatic since age 29, which means every day is a total challenge. Legally blind, stone deaf, poor mobility, can't speak clearly or even smile, bad dexterity, constant medical things. She's a survivor after a deprived childhood & youth. No way is the NF2 taking her down a day earlier than it has to. She's always looking for creative outlets and keeping her relationships going as best she can. Pfffft.

This thread is good for me. The negativity has reminded me how much I don't want to ever give into self-pity.

You quote someones elses suffering. How do you know that persons inner thoughts. What challenges do you face?

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Cynic17 · 23/08/2025 18:42

cardibach · 23/08/2025 18:26

But ‘sooner rathe4 than later’ at 60? I don’t understand that. Or your belief that after 70 is ‘on and on and on’. You must be fairly dissatisfied with your life now? I’m 60 as I said and hoping for another 20 good years at least!

I have a very happy life, thank.you. But that is entirely the point - I want to die whilst I'm still active, with all my marbles and enjoying myself. Why wait until I'm on a downward slope?

2sidesofcoins · 23/08/2025 18:41

CunningPlanMaster · 23/08/2025 18:11

I think this is a very selfish way to think. Those in good health are privileged so to idly suggest you hope you don’t live to an old age is quite frankly insulting.

I have a life limiting condition. It might be 10 good years or 30- I have no idea. But I do know there is a ticking clock above me. I have two wonderful children who I sincerely hope I’m old enough to see start their own families. I can’t believe any parent would feel differently to be honest.

Not really as I was refering to the elderly parents posts. And all the adult children of elderly parents burdened with looking after them. So yes, I don;t want to live long enough to become a burden to my kids.

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lljkk · 23/08/2025 18:39

So Fing miserable. What is wrong with some of you.
I'm convinced that British people have some kind of shame about being happy. They actively look for reasons to be unhappy, angry, sad, because it would be shameful to find / have happiness when there is so much wrong with the world. Seems like that is the mindset.

Just get over it. Your pessimism and misery won't fix anything that is bad in the world.
Every day has opportunities. Any day you can do most or even all the things you want to do, even though some are challenging to achieve, is a good day. Most of us can do something every day to brighten someone else's day and give ourselves purpose and be appreciated.

Friend (age 57) has NF2, symptomatic since age 29, which means every day is a total challenge. Legally blind, stone deaf, poor mobility, can't speak clearly or even smile, bad dexterity, constant medical things. She's a survivor after a deprived childhood & youth. No way is the NF2 taking her down a day earlier than it has to. She's always looking for creative outlets and keeping her relationships going as best she can. Pfffft.

This thread is good for me. The negativity has reminded me how much I don't want to ever give into self-pity.

Echobelly · 23/08/2025 18:39

My mum is 75 and has various health issues, she's actually lived longer than anyone might have expected given she has a chronic condition that can be life limiting.

She had a minor stroke last year which meant increased risk of a more severe one in the 48 hours afterwards and her attitude at the time was that she totally prepared for the end if it came, because she is in pain every day anyhow. And she is very stoic so to be admitting she is in pain means it must be pretty dreadful.

I love her dearly but the fact is I know she is ready to go when it comes now, and there's a sort of comfort in that. I suppose she has always known she wasn't going to live to see grandkids get married or to be a great grandmother.

Astrak · 23/08/2025 18:32

I'm 80, a widow, living by myself in a remote rural environment. I have Myalgic Encephalitis, which is tiresome but I work round it, so that I have the required energy to do the things that I enjoy. I read a lot, go and see my beautiful retired Arabian horse at his excellent livery yard, and have interesting conversations with my cat.
When I was working in a professional role, I enjoyed that, but it was, on occasions, very dangerous. The pension that I receive keeps the horse.

My father died when he was 52. My mother at 84. I hope that I can get up to that age or older, as well.

MickGeorge22 · 23/08/2025 18:31

Echobelly · 23/08/2025 18:10

YANBU. Honestly unless you are blessed with exceptional health I don't massively see the point of going on past mid 80s. For most people your world gets smaller and smaller, you can't plan ahead because you don't know if you'll be well enough to do things and so on. My grandfather enjoyed relatively good health and full mental capacity but honestly once he got to about 89 I thought I didn't want him to have to live like he was living much longer because the scope of his life had shrunk so much. He was fortunate to die after a relatively brief illness in his early 90s.

I see all this stuff about diet and routine for longer lifespan, but honestly I'd rather have a regime that allowed me to live in good health until early 80s and then to pop off quickly!

I have joint problems that will only get worse so I know I will not be able to be a super healthy, super active older person.

My dad is 87 and whilst in good health he keeps saying he doesn't want to live another five years. He's lonely and lost my mum many years ago. All he sees ahead of him is decline.
I work visiting a lot of older people and it is depressing although my view is possibly skewed as I am visiting them to do disability benefit forms so they do mostly have some problems. Most have nothing to look forward and are miserable and struggling. I've visited a lot in their mid nineties and many have lost adult kids or kids are abroad and they have little contact with their kids. many have no family at all. They've lost faith in GP's and had horrible experiences in hospital.

cardibach · 23/08/2025 18:26

Cynic17 · 23/08/2025 18:21

I'm not saying I won't be healthy. .. I haven't seen a doctor for over a decade. But why just go on and on and on? Better to just drop dead whilst still active, than go into a prolonged decline. If I'm not a taxpayer, then I'm not contributing anything, so it's all a bit pointless. We keep people alive for far too long these days, and death isn't the worst thing that can happen to a person.

But ‘sooner rathe4 than later’ at 60? I don’t understand that. Or your belief that after 70 is ‘on and on and on’. You must be fairly dissatisfied with your life now? I’m 60 as I said and hoping for another 20 good years at least!

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