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Pants under skirt for 4 year old - DH and I disagree

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Thatsnotmynamee · 22/08/2025 22:51

In short, I just had a weird conversation with DH. Our 4 year old daughter was wearing a dress with pants under it today. We were on a short ferry journey, it was pretty packed. When back at our campsite, I realised DH had made her put on shorts underneath. He later told me he had felt extremely uncomfortable on the ferry, that there are paedophiles everywhere and he cannot bear the thought of a photo of her ending up in the wrong hands. He also said he's already noticed men looking at her?? I was shocked, completely taken aback - my mind just does not go there, am I ridiculously naive? (I don't post photos of her online btw apart from my private Instagram and never exposed.)
But I feel so grossed out by this, I wasn't able to discuss properly with DH. There's a part of me that wants to insist she doesn't need to wear shorts. Is he being rational?

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Thatsnotmynamee · 23/08/2025 09:54

funtafor · 23/08/2025 08:20

I wonder how Op's husband feels when he finds out OP has been discussing their dd's pants with random strangers on the internet 😂

@Thatsnotmynamee why don't you show your dh this thread?

Why shouldn't I post a thread for support? It's not like I've pasted in photos is it? If you're hinting that I'm a troll just say it, no need for little hints babe.
Sorry to all who are troubled by this thread, I had no idea it was such a very common and dodgy topic on aibu. I don't need to hear people talking about what you can possibly see through gaping leg holes or whatever, and feel a bit shit that I've apparently started some kind of paedos dream thread when I just wanted to ask about an issue with DH 🫠

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PinkTonic · 23/08/2025 09:29

NoVibrato · 22/08/2025 23:50

And I remember girls in my primary school doing handstands against the school wall and everybody seeing (gasp) their knickers! We weren't a bit fussed about it and neither were the teachers.
You know even further back, in the 50's, it was the (ostensibly) fast flashy promiscuous girls who were wearing jeans and trousers and the naice girls who were wearing skirts and dresses (with stockings and suspenders)! There is nothing more irrational than the cultural codes attached to women's and girls' clothing . . . .

I can remember tucking my dress into my knicker legs, not to try to hide my knickers but to stop the dress falling over my face. I think the pants were more substantial then though. I don’t like the idea of little girls having to wear shorts under dresses, but I would go for the shorts style pants with proper coverage.

CharlotteRumpling · 23/08/2025 09:26

What I have got from this is that littke girls underwear has become skimpier since I brought my DD up 20 years ago, and now everyone is wearing shorts under skirts.. Even adults. ( I don't myself)

Completely agree with not putting pictires of kids on social media. Whixh everyone seems to do regardless.

Jumpthewaves · 23/08/2025 09:08

NewDogOwner · 23/08/2025 09:02

I get it. Little girls need the freedom to loll about and sprawl just like boys. Perhaps leggings or soft trousers would give her more freedom. Yes, there are paedophiles all over the place. I noticed a few men trying to engage my child over the years that set off my instincts.

Leggings and trousers are fine, but if a little girl wants to wear a skirt or dress then shorts underneath give her the freedom to do all she wants to do, while wearing what she wants.

justnottinghill · 23/08/2025 09:06

I work in this industry. Your husband is correct. I am shocked at how naive posters are on here. The majority of photos found on networks aren’t the scary-basement type, they’re normal family photos that have been taken from social media or covertly of a normal child.

It’s why I’ll never understand parents posting their children on social media, locked down or not, and your husband is very aware.

DustlandFairytaleBeginning · 23/08/2025 09:06

He is being overly anxious. But the shorts under a dress thing is very normal. We do them if our daughter isn't wearing short style pants for basic modesty and to let her play/ slouch/ climb without caring where her dress goes.

AntiBullshit · 23/08/2025 09:05

The reality is no one should have to waer shorts or tights etc to cover underwear when wearing dresses but if one of you is uncomfortable it such a big deal to get cotton shorts for your DD

my DD sat with her legs apart and I put her in shorts under her dresses to keep her modesty and because telling her to close her legs fell on deaf ears

NewDogOwner · 23/08/2025 09:02

I get it. Little girls need the freedom to loll about and sprawl just like boys. Perhaps leggings or soft trousers would give her more freedom. Yes, there are paedophiles all over the place. I noticed a few men trying to engage my child over the years that set off my instincts.

DontStopMeNowGoodTime · 23/08/2025 08:52

For the people who think shorts would be uncomfortable and or too hot under the skirts and dresses, they aren't. My DC and most DC round my way wear bicycle shorts/short leggings, not thick shorts with pockets.
I was recently on a ferry with my DC, and the wind does make their skirts/dresses go up.
Op, a video has been doing the rounds on social media, a man who works in the prison service speaking about how many paedophiles are in the UK. It's something like over 2 million per year. Maybe your husband saw this video and it made him concerned.

Edited; auto correct spelling!

LBFseBrom · 23/08/2025 08:51

That's a very good post, Flamingfeline.

Yes kids still run around, do handstands and cartwheels.

Normal good quality underwear is sufficient imo or else girls wear shorts and t-shirts. Shorts under a skirt seems OTT to me.

Paedophiles fancy children even if they are covered from head to foot, some may even have a penchant for a glimpse of shorts under a dress, I haven't done a survey, but we cannot spend our lives thinking everyone who looks at a child is a paedophile.

When I was at school we all used to have to wear regulation school uniform knickers, often navy blue depending on the school colours, over our cotton underwear. In some schools girls even did gym in those or played netball (we didn't, we had gym shorts for that). Maybe the regulation school knickers are due a comeback, they don't look as silly as shorts under a skirt and at least every child is the same.

femfemlicious · 23/08/2025 08:44

ImustLearn2Cook · 23/08/2025 01:11

When I went to primary school in Australia throughout the 80’s, girls were expected to wear bike pants under their school skirt especially for PE. You could get them in the school colours to match your uniform. And we still can get bike pants in school uniform colours today.

It’s not a new thing at all. But it is a new thing to make a big deal of it and insist that it is somehow damaging for girls or it’s somehow sexualising girls to care about their modesty (in the same way that I would protect my son’s modesty) by covering up their underwear.

How is simply making it easier for someone to not show their underwear sexualising them or putting it on them to police sexual predators and perverts? It’s not.

I can tell you right now that no one that I knew (including myself) felt or expressed that they felt sexualised for being expected to wear bike pants. I don’t think it ever occurred to us to link modesty to sex. At a young age we didn’t even know what sex was and that’s the way it should be.

However, there are plenty of children’s clothing for girls that are sexualised. It really became noticeable when I needed to get my daughter shorts for summer and all of them were tiny shorts with no length in the leg part. I had to buy shorts from the boys section just so I could find shorts that were appropriate for an activity at camp where they were wearing a harness and had to protect her legs from chafing (summer in Australia is often too hot for wearing long pants). Why were all the shorts for boys not only more modest than the girls but more practical and durable too?

Your husband is being a normal parent and is not being unreasonable or paranoid. If he noticed men perving or leering at your daughter, good on him. He was doing a good job supervising her. And good on him for handling it by communicating it with you and wanting to make a practical change to protect her. That’s what parents do. That’s what I do as a parent. And even though I am a woman I do have eyes and I have noticed whenever a man or men have looked at children in a predatory, sexual way. It is obvious.

Most people that I have known in real life can recognise it too regardless if they are male or female. To not be aware of something so (unfortunately) common is to not only be naive but either completely oblivious or stubbornly in denial, or very well aware but wanting to gaslight or groom people into trivialising or minimising predatory behaviour.

Honestly I despair. People On here can be so ridiculous!. Why should a girls pants be in display?. Are we teaching them its OK to show your pants?

Starlight7080 · 23/08/2025 08:43

He isnt wrong in the sense they could be anyone/anywhere. But i bet when it comes to people looking at her its more accidentally towards her when thinking about something or just coincidence.

I find myself staring at people sometimes but not actually. Its more im in my own world whist waiting in a line for something and it just happens. I also think we all do that.
Shorts I have always put on my dds under dress/skirt if we are going soft play or playground and such. And thats because they do often end up needing them.
My teens dds do this under school skirt but thats so they can sit on the floor without worrying .
My dh never mentioned anything about this but to be fair I always have sorted the clothing.

Flamingfeline · 23/08/2025 08:40

It’s encouraging at least to hear that kids (mumsnet kids anyway) are still running, jumping, doing cartwheels and handstands. I thought that sort of thing had died out, abd in fact locally we hardly ever see kids playing out any more.
They are safer outside playing with their friends than in their own bedrooms where they can talk to random adult strangers all day long.
My girls, growing up in the eighties, and their daughters born in this century were and are active. As kids They’ve always worn normal full size children’s knickers, with no need for extra layers, when wearing a skirt or dress.
Of course there are risks everywhere and we have to be realistic and protect our children.
But the emphasis on children - specifically girls - having to cover up reminds me of how religions over time in every country have forced a restrictive dress code on girls and women to avoid inflaming the uncontrollable lust of men.

Gettingbysomehow · 23/08/2025 08:40

I'd put my daughter in stretchy shorts under a dress. Children are so active and really pants don't provide much coverage.
But paedophiles aside I nearly always wear chub rub type shorts under my dresses because they often blow up in the wind and I don't want to my pants on display to the world.
That's just me though.

femfemlicious · 23/08/2025 08:39

arcticpandas · 23/08/2025 07:46

Haha are you kidding me? Her skirt was up, kept up because of the hard fabric do it was staying up, showing her private parts (since you had to nitpick on choice of words🙄) for everyone to see since she wasn't wearing underwear but you're siding with the mother telling me I should have just looked away and kept my mouth shut instead of warning the mother that her skirt was up? Or maybe it's normal for you showing off your kids naked on public transport.🤷‍♀️

People are just WOW!😱

femfemlicious · 23/08/2025 08:35

Robin67 · 22/08/2025 23:22

Unfortunately, he is not wrong. My cartwheeling, legs akimbo- sitting, little ones are innocent. But there are disgusting people everywhere. It's just a pair if short. Why is this an issue?

Honestly I don't understand what the issue is. Kids are always showing their underwear when in dresses, is it OK for their pants to be on show?. Are pants not private?

Mugcake · 23/08/2025 08:34

Its an overreaction BUT as someone who experienced CSA i am constantly analysing and overthinking situations that involve my child. I know my partner thinks I'm a bit paranoid about it. . . .but unfortunately if you have those experiences you see the worst everywhere.

Climbingrosexx · 23/08/2025 08:34

It seems to be a thing nowadays, I come from a generation where girls would tuck their dresses into the sides of their knickers so they could do handstands without the dress getting in the way (not me I could never do handstands). I notice my granddaughter always wears leggings under a dress no matter how warm it is. I really don't think things are any worse than they have ever been it is just more talked about and if anything kids should be safer than ever because they are taught and encouraged to speak out. Sounds like your husband is very protective of her I don't think there is anything sinister in it. Like I say from what I read online he is definitely not the only parent to think this way.

anon15830201174585920220384848320204738229 · 23/08/2025 08:31

Very common where I am for girls to have shorts on under their dresses.

ToutesetBonne · 23/08/2025 08:31

RachCmomma · 23/08/2025 00:51

100% when you have a 4 uear old girl, every man- especially that you dont know os a potential threat. The statistics speak for themselves, dont take chances.

I agree to an extent except that, sadly, men that we DO know are the bigger threat. I have worked with sex offenders, and most of those who abused children were known to them. They were also some of the most polite, clean, nicely-dressed and charming men - no-one would have given them a second glance.

EnglishRain · 23/08/2025 08:29

I think girls knickers are rubbish usually. Really thin and don’t fit well. We get shorts from H&M (frozen ones, none the less!) and they wash really well and are very comfy looking.

birdling · 23/08/2025 08:29

I'm with Dad on this one.
We shouldn't have to, but unfortunately there are a minority of disgusting men out there and most knickers cover very little.
He just sounds anxious and protective.

Cantmakemymindup2 · 23/08/2025 08:28

My dd5 wears shorts under dresses. It started when she was younger and would refuse to wear anything other than dresses. Her dress would come up on the slide and she’d get stuck instead of sliding down. So I decided to put shorts under her dress one day and it solved the problem. Now two years on she still asks for shorts under her dresses.

She also grows out of dresses too fast because she is really tall. It doesn’t matter if they are too short if she’s got shorts on, and it saves me buying her a load more summer dresses at the end of summer.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 23/08/2025 08:24

I put shorts on my 6yr old under skirts/dresses because most little girls love doing handstands/cartwheels wherever they go and it makes me feel better

AllPlayedOut · 23/08/2025 08:23

funtafor · 23/08/2025 07:36

Another day, another Mn thread about little or teen girls knickers and bottoms 😏

Wonder what MN advertisers think about this recently poplar conversation topic?

Perhaps there should be a designated MN forum to cater for this rising interest?

I remember similar threads in the past too. I’ve reported it because there’s a distinct pattern to them.

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