Biological sex should be shared with potential relationships/ONS/dates.

Given that being trans is going to be a deal breaker to more people than not, would it not be in your own interests to disclose immediately anyway, to save wasting your own time?

Why is this one-directional though?

If it's an issue for you, surely it's just as practical to ask a potential partner if they are trans and save yourself all that bother than it is to go changing the law or writing new laws to oblige the other person, who, apparently, has no issue at all with you as a potential partner.

Surely it's the person with the issue who needs to be doing the legwork?

Yep. I know I’m verging on the barking on this issue at this stage, but yes, it’s always women who are the last to be considered. An affronted man is more supported than a more vulnerable woman.

I'd imagine the threshold for falling foul of the law would be the point at which the other person agrees to levels of intimacy they would not have permitted had they known your sex. Which would presumably include any form of non platonic physical contact. Given that being trans is going to be a deal breaker to more people than not, would it not be in your own interests to disclose immediately anyway, to save wasting your own time?

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. It's just another example of something that likely won't be disclosed if it's not directly asked about.

If you don't want to have a relationship with trans people, you could always just ask your potential partners if they are trans rather than trying to shift the onus on to them instead. Supposedly trans people never pass and others can "always tell" anyway, so I'm really not seeing the issue.

I've been on countless dates, at no point has anyone ever "disclosed" their sex to me

People 'disclose' their sex and sexuality on apps very regularly... 'woman seeking man' or 'man seeking man' and 'bisexual woman seeking same' or 'transwoman seeking man' etc'.... in general people understand these words in their common every day usage and if you are using them to mean something different the onus really is on you to be honest if you know or suspect the other person isn't clear on it. I think it's essential this happens before anything sexual occurs, I would feel extremely violated to encounter an unexpected penis / straight man and would consider that person an abuser for trying to have m/f sex by deception.

Thats ridiculous. People may be more attracted to blonde hair or not, that is very different to your actual sexuality.

If you are happy to have a relationship with either sex thats your perogative but same sex attracted people or straight people aren't.

at what point would you expect to be made aware that you were dating a natal female and not a man as you expected?

Well, this is the thing. That's entirely down to them to disclose, if they so wish, and I do not believe I have any right to "expect" anything.

I appreciate other people might feel differently, but to me an acceptable potential partner is a potential partner regardless, so I don't see it as any different to failure to "disclose" you are not a natural blonde.

Before any physical contact unless you want to be charged with assault by deception.

Say you were a transwoman and the man you were dating was actually a trans man who passed, at what point would you expect to be made aware that you were dating a natal female and not a man as you expected?

If you've been on countless dates in which no one has been trans, then there's no issue.

If you are trans then you need to be upfront about that with your sexual partners.

Agreed.

I've been on countless dates, at no point has anyone ever "disclosed" their sex to me, or me to them. I guess that in every single one of those instances there was a safeguarding failure. 😐

I’d say that’s worse.

If a bloke suddenly realises he’s with another man, he’s much less likely to be in physical danger than a woman in the same situation.

Simply disclose your sex to the person you are dating. Ensure basic safeguarding and genuine consent. It's not difficult. 🙄

Ok, so at what point am I supposed to start the discussion about being trans?

Presumably if I don't disclose this the default assumption is that I'm not trans.

So there surely has to be some sort of threshold where this needs brought up, and regardless of my trans status or otherwise, I don't consider it to be the business of someone I've simply encountered on a dating App and agreed to meet for a coffee, so again, at what point would I be legally obliged to disclose my trans status?

Prior to any kissing id say.

If someone would not have romantic or sexual involvement with a biological man or a biological women they shouldn’t be tricked into it. So before the first kiss.

This was my first thought ^

I’m broadly agnostic tbh. In an ideal world, nobody would tell lies about their sex, their age, their job, their income, their marital status etc in order to get their leg over; but people do, and always have done, and I don’t think it’s realistic to prosecute all these different acts of deception, particularly if the person who feels deceived afterwards was happy to have a ONS with a stranger without doing their due diligence. I suppose the question is the extent to which we run with the idea of what sort of deception automatically nullifies consent.

The woman in your newspaper dating column example spoke out afterwards and said she had been asked during the application process whether she would consider dating transwomen and had said that she would; so whilst she may not have been informed ahead of the date who she’d be meeting, it wasn’t quite the “had to just sit there and smile and go along with it” that some people portrayed it as.

I don't think that transwomen pretending to be lesbians or deceiving them is the same thing tbh.
I am full on terf, but I just think that bloke is chancing it and being homophobic.
If the judge has deemed it sexual assault, then im not against that either.
Not surprised that a bloke being upset at having a blow job from a man is taken more seriously than what lesbians have been saying for years

You don’t need to ‘discuss your genitalia’ ffs! However, if you are trans, you need to be upfront about it (which you can do without talking about genitalia!) 🙄

FML! Genuinely…as if the ‘date’ had ANY doubts as to the sex of this person!!! Ffs! 😂

At what point during a date/series of dates do you think I should be legally obliged to start discussing my genitalia OP?

I don't necessarily think that 'transwoman' should be prosecuted. I think the blow job recipient is a chancer. There's no way anyone would have not realised that was a male, and if youre into one night stand blowjobs from random, then you take your chances

if that person came to me looking for sexual activity I think I'd know at first fucking glance he was a man LOL

However re your post yes I do think natal sex should always be told esp if one is trying to pass as another sex.