Biological sex should be shared with potential relationships/ONS/dates.

If a transwoman passes enough that the person they are wanting to have sex with can't tell they are a man then that transwoman will be lying by omission if they fail to declare their biological sex to someone they are about to have sex with and that omission could land that transwoman in prison.

If the choice is personal risk or prison I'm afraid the transwoman is going to have to make a decision. Maybe being honest at an earlier stage of a relationship could avoid either outcome occurring.

I mean the article I read said the offender told the victim they were on their period. So maybe the young chap isn’t very picky and thought the offender was just a very masculine looking women. Not every gets to be pretty 😅

Ive looked at people before and they could of been either the ones were your young child asks a question and you end up stumped on to if you need to say well that young man or that young lady so fumble along with that person.

Id also imagine for those saying we should ask people on dates if they are trans and putting the onus onto the possible victim. It must be rather insulting to be assumed to be the wrong gender, because if someone asked me if I was trans I’d be leaving thinking I must look manly be very hurt tbh.

But wanting to date someone of a certain biological sex is not “an issue” as if it’s a trifling preference. It’s pretty much the default first criteria you look for in a person you’re looking to date. It’s not like preferring redheads or pilots.

Along the same strand, I would expect anyone with an STD (especially a very serious one) to disclose this to someone they were looking to date (and especially before any intimacy) pretty pronto. The onus should not be on the other person to ask every prospective partner before sex if they have HIV for example. (Though most people use barrier protection with new partners because lots of people lie or know the other person might not know themselves if they have anything).

The person with the hidden or stealth condition/appearance that they KNOW societally is not the one that most people would engage with by default should be giving their partner all the information so they can make informed consent.

I actually see no good intentioned reason why a trans person wouldn’t be upfront with someone immediately. Isn’t it a lot more of a relief to know that someone wants to date you enthusiastically in the full knowledge that you are a trans person? What’s the reasoning behind withholding such a prominent part of yourself if not deception?

I agree that ones biological sex needs to be divulged before getting involved with anyone. Its the one thing I drummed into my son who is trans. He has never had a relationship as just not interested right now but he knows if ever he does want to meet someone he needs to let them know on day one that he is biologically female. If he then gets rejected then so be it, at least he would be open and honest and give the person the decision to walk away, even if rejection hurts.

"Disclosing that information as a trans woman can put her life at risk."

Then a male person needs to be very upfront then about their identity before they get themselves into a risky situation. No one should be attacking anyone, however, also no one should be putting themselves in a position of negating another person's consent about a sexual relationship.

Disclosing that information as a trans woman can put her life at risk.

Fgs this is nonsense.

Not disclosing this info is attempted sex by deception and that is against the law.

Dead right, about the supposedly inclusive and omnitolerant younger lot. Tolerant within very strict confines, I’d say. On the other side of fences erected to protect cherished groups/ activities/modes of presentation, it’s a very different scene, where howling wolves and heavily armed guards are on the lookout for disaffected citizens/non believers to bring down.
I realise it’s probably just old age speaking, but I swear things were very much freer, and certainly kinder, when I was the age of the average modern protester.
The Anti Nazi/Rock Against Racism crowd, for example, must surely have included homophobes and misogynists, but spittle-flecked hatred wasn’t the usual reaction, let alone tireless demands that the minority identified by the odd bigot be forced to undergo brainwashing in order to remain within the larger group.
I was thinking about David Lynch’s memorable battle cry in the face of anti-trans intransigence in his industry, and have to conclude that it now applies far better as an admonition to (some of) the very people he sought to support: ‘Fix your hearts, or die!’

That may be true, it doesn’t have anything to do with my point, though. Implying that all or e en most trans women are out to lie to people is simply not true. the vast majority are just trying to live their lives safely. Disclosing that information as a trans woman can put her life at risk.

How can you feel like something you're not and never have been?

We have no idea what this one looked like on the night in question. Maybe he decided to grow stubble for the Court, for example. In a dark setting and after a lot of drinks a man who isn't used to having to check might have been mistaken. A woman would likely not.

No person can understand who somethings 'feels' that is not their personal experience.

And no male person can ever experience life as a woman. They can only ever experience life as a male person who believes they are a woman. (or, who 'understands' their experience as being a 'woman's'.

Even when they 'act' like a woman, they are acting as they believe a 'woman' should act. Even if they are treated 'as a woman' by some people, they are being treated as a 'male who presents as a woman and believes they are a woman'. Because their every reaction is based on that. Not on them being female in any way.

Even when they have extreme body modifications, it is to be their own concept of what a female looks like to them. It is not what a female is.

How can it be?

The only way a person can experience life as a woman, is to have a female body, formed around the production of large gametes, even if it doesn't produce those and to navigate their life based on the decisions they and society makes that revolve around them having that body.

A male can conceptualise what it might be like to be a female, but that is all it ever is - their concept of being female.

They may do it because they don't feel they fit into how they conceptualise how a male person interacts with the world (ie. their own stereotypes around being male) or they do it because they want to be seen as a female (using their own stereotypes of how a female navigates life). It really doesn't matter though. Their motivation is irrelevant to the outcome. And I consider the outcome can only be described as misogyny.

Which is that they will always be just a male who believes they are something they are objectively not.

How can the material reality be any different? This is why someone's gender is only based on someone's philosophical belief. And philosophical beliefs are fine for people to hold, but not one person in the UK has to comply with another's philosophical belief.

The logic cannot be any different than that I am afraid.

That doesn’t even remotely answer the question. How do you know what someone else feels like?

I know how its feels to be a woman.
Because I am one.
A trans woman can feel how she 'thinks' a woman feels ...

Informed consent should be treated as equally important by all people and should be regardless of people's philosophical belief about their identity.

It is not informed consent if any partner holds back key information about the sex class of their body.

Really??
Are you seriously blaming the victim for being sexually assaulted because it was a ONS?

So do you think that anyone into ONS doesn’t deserve legal protection from would be rapists?

It’s very common for young gay men to have ONS and has been this way for years. I have a gay son and I find your attitude horrific and homophobic too!

How do YOU know how other people feel? You can’t know that because it’s not your experience.

Fuck!

So, do you honestly believe that the sex your body is should be treated as if it is hair colour?

Sex is immutable and it is very important for many people to know before any intimate contact. Hair colour is regularly and easily changed and it is beyond irresponsibly dismissive to equate the two the way you have.

Rubbish.
If you cant be honest in relationship about your actual identity.... then you dont deserve to have one.
As well as lying to yourself you're out and out deceiving potential partners.

Your understanding is, at best, incomplete.
trans people are not a monolith, they will all have different ideas about what and when they disclose their information to a potential partner. It is not ‘the point’ to deceive people. Not for most trans people.

Informed consent is an interesting one. It clearly applies when you definitely knew somebody would object to something and therefore you hide it so for example if this man had told her he never wants to date a transgender woman and she concealed it that would be black-and-white. but what about other cases where people are saying you should assume they would have an issue with dating a trans person? I’m not sure if that definitely falls under the umbrella of informed consent Because you don’t know that for sure. Interesting one.

Its impossible to 'feel like' something you are not.
How do you know?
Its like saying I feel like I'm a zebra. Only a zebra knows.

I suggest you take a look around more closely at parents you see out and about if you think only attractive people have sex.

Just ask.

Also I thought people could “always tell” so surely there is no need to ask what you can see?

Even putting aside that they aren't women, they could easily still clarify that they are 'trans' women. In all honesty I've never seen a 'trans' woman who isn't clearly male, however with AI, filters and the like I imagine an online presence can be cultivated which doesn't reveal what/who the person really is.