Is it a con or can it help my sick child?

Absolute con.

It’s the alchemy of modern times.

Just as base metals can’t turn into gold, water cannot retain the memory of substances that it has touched.

”oh but it worked for me!” It didnt. If you were cured, it was by something else.

I'm not a victim, I'm an intelligent person using a wide variety of treatments and methods to improve my health.
Beyond diagnosing me, the NHS has basically washed their hands of me. They claim I can't be cured, so they don't bother doing anything - that's the con I'm paying into!
There are masses of CFS ME support groups sharing treatments/skills etc that have worked for them to improve their condition or stopped it worsening. All without NHS support - we have to fight to even be believed we're ill......
The NHS has it's place, but so do complimentary health treatments and changes in diets and supplements....

Water is also very cheap and equally efficacious.

Several of your posts go on about water. In fact homeopathic remedies are usually delivered in soft pill form that dissolves under or on the tongue. Contrary to a post earlier on here, the remedies are surprisingly cheap.

I haven't read the full thread as I know MN Is generally very negative about homeopathy but I want to add that I have had very positive experiences and it has helped with numerous conditions that modern medicine and NHS have been absolutely useless with. What is to lose by trying it out

This. The conflation of these two entirely separate things is not helpful.

Because if someone is selling a product that doesn’t work to desperate and vulnerable people, they’re at best naive and at worst nasty con people.

Basic logic

So if my horse has a deep puncture wound the homeopathic approach would be to treat with ledum palustre.
Yeah, no, think I'll go with a dose of tetanus antitoxin!

Disclaimer: I am a scientist and I believe in science.

Arnica cream would be a herbal remedy, homeopathy is water, Herbal and homeopathy are not the same thing.

What basis do you have for saying that? Or do you just automatically repeat the other ignorant views peddled on here?😞

We don’t need to "understand the basis" to believe that homeopathy works. We just need to be able to see the results it claims, reproduced in proper objective blind trials. If it really worked, that would be easy. But it doesn’t happen.

The Royal Veterinary College experts don't believe it really helps animals.

https://www.rvc.ac.uk/research/news/general/scientists-at-royal-veterinary-college-show-homeopathy-only-appears-to-work-because-of-perceptual-errors

Given she is unwell, with neurological symptoms I gather, and has been on multiple rounds of antibiotics, the best thing you can do regardless is work on her gut health.

Vegetables, grains, beans, nuts, fruits, yoghurt, etc - essentially the modern Mediterranean diet plan. Plenty of books around about its antiinflammatory effects, and its effects on the immune system and the brain, and many neurotransmitters are produced by the gut microbiome.

If in any doubt, watch this hilarious Mitchell & Webb sketch on homeopathy:

There may be no way that science can as yet understand the basis of homeopathy, but that does not mean it does not work or is a con. Personally I have benefitted hugely from seeing a very good homeopath who helped me recover from thyroid problems among other issues. My elderly mother suffered from tinnitus but was completely cured by seeing another homeopath who was also a NHS GP.
As to placebo effect, homeopathy is very successful in curing animals - and they are not subject to placebo effect.
Seek out a good homeopath, OP - someone reputable and who you can see in person. Homeopathy treats the whole person, not just the symptons.
Find a good practitioner, trained and qualified on a register of Homeopathy UK or Society of Homeopaths. Their websites give useful information about choosing someone. 🌺

It's a con. At best it might work as a placebo. If it truly worked, it would have passed rigorous scientific tests and would solve a lot of problems!

Any positive effect of homeopathy is attributable to placebo (which in itself can be very powerful - I believe it’s currently being seriously studied for potential uses in mainstream medicine). Don’t waste your money on ridiculous ‘consultations’ and expensive snake oil, though - they’re woo merchants who prey on the desperate and gullible, and it’s a total con. As someone said upthread, you may as well give your daughter some tap water and tell her it’s magic.

On a cautionary note, I have a friend whose child was sick many years ago, and someone had really got in her head about mainstream medicine so she took him to a homeopath instead. A day or so later he had a raging fever and was struggling to breathe, and she ended up having to call an ambulance. He was admitted to hospital immediately, critically ill, and the registrar lost his shit when she told him she’d been dosing her son with these pixie drops rather than taking him to see an actual doctor. She was mortified, but also wracked with guilt that - with the best of intentions - she’d done something so stupid. He was fine in the end, but the outcome could have been very different.

I hope you’re able to get some help for your daughter.

no.
you're confusing homeopathy with herbal medicine. Homeopathy is an invention by a guy who a couple of hundred years ago thought that as he was feeling ill after taking quinine and quinine can be used when feeling ill, therefore small dose of illness cures bigger illness.
Yes it can certainly hurt, if people choose water memory over actual medicine.
And everything is a chemical.

this hospital at gosh isn’t for homeopathy, it’s for alternative medicines, like acupuncture and herbal remedies.

If her B vits are low, have they checked her vit d levels ?

I can understand why you'd want to reach out for any lifeline when things feel so bleak. You ask me what I'd suggest, I'd lay off the antibiotics unless strictly necessary and focus on diet. If the trigger is from getting ill, you'll want to minimise the chance of getting ill.

It's quite possible that the regular courses of antibiotics have contributed to the problem. Each time your child takes antibiotics, she's leveling her gut microbiome. Poor gut health is linked to a lot of the kind of behaviour that PANS parents report. It can often be recovered with a good diet rich with fibre.

Also the more times a person takes antibiotics, the weaker their immune response, making future infections more likely. (Don't get me wrong, they're really great when necessary, but should be a last line of defense.)

my dog was limping for a few days. I have a vet appointment this afternoon. Dog woke up this morning, no limp whatsoever. If I had given her homeopathy yesterday, I would also think it works.

Chronic illnesses are really hard, especially if the cause isn’t well known. My DS has been on and off school for over 2 years and has had to pull out entirely without Alevels (we will have to find another path). We have a diagnosis but no idea what caused it, treatment has been trial and error and a lot of crossing fingers!

As a parent you desperately want to FIX the issue. But sometimes you just can’t. We don’t know everything about the human body and individual responses to common situations.

PANS/ PANDAS is controversial and not fully accepted, which makes life harder for you. But in a lot of ways is irrelevant- you just deal with the symptoms in front you and muddle along as best you can. I think that children grow out of it as well.

Homeopathy is nonsense, designed to part you from you money. If it works for some it is either a placebo or the illness was self limiting and came to an end.

This is a fun book on homeopathy and how no matter what evidence is provided that it doesn’t work - it keeps on bouncing right back up.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Attack-Unsinkable-Rubber-Ducks-Parlabane/dp/0349118817

Hi OP. My 9 year old had suspected PANDAS. It worked amazingly on her. Sleep problems, tics, fears all went within a week.

Hi OP. My 9 year old had suspected PANDAS. It worked amazingly on her. Sleep problems, tics, fears all went within a week.