To be shocked women still try to stop aging?

You said feminism was about proving you can look amazing and doing well in life/work and I suggested it was about smashing it regardless of how a woman looks. Only industry where it might be ok would be the modeling industry as both men and women would be getting judged on their looks. I think your a bit out of date with suggesting attractive women arent taken seriously and therefore have to work harder.

Well, I wrote in the context of this thread, in reply to the comments above, isn't that obvious?

I'm talking about what you wrote. I was responding to your comment.

Some people can’t afford surgery, others are scared, some don’t want to.

It's everyone's choice to decide what to spend their money on and how they want to look. That's not to say that I don't sometimes look at someone who has had work done and wonder why on earth they thought it was a good look, but that's just the same as looking at any other fashion trend and wondering why people like how it looks. I'm sure plenty of people look at me and think they'd never wear that.

I'm low maintenance because I'm lazy, pain averse, and prioritise my money elsewhere. You won't find me getting lip fillers, or botox, or with 2 inch long acrylic nails, but you also won't find me trying to tell other women they shouldn't.

With alllll the progress we've made within the feminism movement,

literally the first sentence of the OP...

I dont think a woman's appearance should be brought into it at all if your talking about feminism. Your post I originally referred to you said feminism is about proving you can look amazing AND ...

Why bring looks into it just because someone is female.

I don't agree at all.

People love to pretend that pretty means "stupid" or that a "pretty privilege" gives you heads up. It takes more talent, intelligence and skill to be taken seriously and respected.

I have more respect for women who are both and don't feel the need to hide.

That was my point, you can be a glittery version of Barbie and still be a successful and bright woman, and a feminist

The ultimate version being Dolly Parton, who is glittery, successful & generally brilliant?

The idea of having stuff injected into my body or being cut / burned for cosmetic purposes makes me shudder, but that’s my body. Half the time I don’t notice if women are wearing makeup, apart from those big fake eyelashes, so I’m unlikely to notice anything else unless it’s really obvious.

Personally I think it's more impressive if a woman doesnt have any pretty privilege and still makes it to the top. That's true talent, intelligence, skill. Not based on looks in any way.

that was my point, you can be a glittery version of Barbie and still be a successful and bright woman, and a feminist.

Botox, hair extension, make-up and high heels have nothing to do with being a feminist or being a success.

This is fine, literally I have nothing wrong with this mentality.

What I have an issue with is the OP wanting some sort of ‘collective action’ or change in our group mentality to reject this stuff.

Why do things like Botox bother OP? Why does she care what the rest of us do to look good? How does this affect her personally?

I’m 51 & perimenopausal, & my version of fighting ageing is staying strong & healthy through weightlifting, cardio, yoga, staying hydrated & eating healthy home-cooked food.

I use skin creams but haven’t worn makeup since my 20s, am happily embracing the grey & have no interest in getting fillers, Botox or any stuff like that.

It’s worked so far & I’m happy with what I see in the mirror.

Or perhaps being a feminist means you kick ass in life regardless of how you look- ugly or amazing.

I am not suggesting anything, we all have our own standards and taste, and not attracted to the same partners anyway.

My point was in reply to those mocking someone for caring about their appearance in respect to their sexual partners, or potential sexual partners. Yes it's part of it, so what? We have the sex life that goes with it.

I want to look the best of what I possibly can for myself, for my partner and it doesn't hurt that I look great at work. I work with what I've been given, but will happily use all the modern little miracles to help out too.

I will never have a problem with a (safe) use of hairdressers/ dentists/ beauty therapy/ cosmetic procedures. Some people are so hypocritical, look down at Botox but dye their own hair 😂

Would I still exercise if men were wiped out tomorrow? Absolutely, I love exercise. Would I work that hard specifically to keep a flat stomach, even after my kids? Probably not.

It's literally being a feminist to prove you can look amazing AND kick ass in the work place and the work in general. 😁

The only ones trying to pretend that feminists must ONLY be dowdy unkept feral women wearing birkies and unshaved legs are the ones who resent or hate feminists. These fuckwits are faced with their own insecurities when they see stunning woman who crush them in wit and success.

(I do love my own birkies, I like to mix stereotypes in my own appearance😂)

I know with my 25 year old son who had incredible good health, never needed an antibiotic, Covid was one dribble from his nose as he was paid for a week in bed!...he moved out 12 months ago and his health has gone to shit.

The penny is beginning to drop that if you eat shit, you feel like shit.

He has just arrived home for a "rest week" at home of R&R to reset his system.

I have just given him a spinach/orange/banana keffir smoothy to start him off.

It all begins in your gut.

A good gut diet, hydration and spf moisturiser are the pillars of good health.

The younger generation are eating out too much.
I know my kids are for sure.

That is absolutely NOT what I said, @jillyiam.

All these things came in so Millenial kids were doing them/ exposed in a way earlier generations were not .

The truth is because of those early exposure they are less healthy/ aging faster

Yes adopting healthier habits helps but much of this stuff is mainstream

Surely the answer to that is to cut down on UPF, sun exposure, alcohol, overeating etc?!

Christ!
Have just looked it up and she is correct
pre1965 were/ are healthier and aged slower than post.
Ok I will stand down now
Do what ever you need to do.

My DD has just dropped a bombshell

She says that Millenials are doing all this suff because they are in fact ageing faster due to their exposure to UPF, alcohol,overseas sun , environmental pollution, tech neck, overeating/ poor diet etc at an earlier age .
The Gen Z are all about Korean skincare SPF etc.

That's why they are salty ! ( her words 😂)

How I look doesnt make me feel bad or good, at all. My self worth isnt attached to is.

From some of the things you have said earlier in your posts I don’t believe this,
Peoples appearance is always going to affect how they feel about themselves, that’s why most people try and improve on their appearance

Getting old is a privilege not afforded to all.
i also get it about struggling with looking in the mirror and seeing the passage of time.

Yes, but you said you want to keep looking young. Beautiful women in their 70s don’t look young. They don’t even necessarily look younger than their age. Some of that is genes, some of it is care, some of it is living a life of relative ease.

I always think it’s sad to see someone look much older than their age due to having a hard life.