To think if you're that fond/proud of your national flag, you should probably know which way up it goes?

You couldn't come up with a better/faster way to move all food production into the hands of large corporations.

What could possibly go wrong?

And they got the poor/commies to cheer for this. A beautiful move.

Do you think the big boys will be looking to hire the illegal immigrants as slave labour, or do you think they will go full automation once the own most of the farmland?

I guess we are gonna find out. 😁

Your first sentence is absolutely correct. The rule about the diagonals is white above red at the hoist (ie flagpole). With no pole, the flag can't be upside down.
In the picture below, both flags are the correct way round.

The term "UNION JACK" is correct and is not reserved just for ships. In 1902, an official Admiralty Circular declared that the Union Flag could officially be known as the Union Jack for any use. This ruling was later approved by the UK Parliament in 1908.

Despite what we're told there's not a queue of millions upon millions of people just queueing up to come to this delightful little island. And if the second part of your question is sincere then there's no point coming on a boat because their application has been heard.

And probably accepted because most are

Just asking a question here but the argument about allowing safe routes, wouldn’t there be potentially millions applying for it ? How would the UK be able to cope with applications?

If people failed , they’d presumably just come by boat anyway wouldn’t they ?

They're racists innit

This is why I asked you how it would work. The reason application outside the UK isn't considered is because the UK would be inundated with claims. Processing hubs were considered in France under the Tories but they decided against doing it outside the UK. Instead they decided to create a 'hostile environment'.

Starmer was looking at a hub in Albania for people to be deported but not processed.

They're people smugglers, not traffickers.

Not sure what you're getting at. Our local council fly the St George's Cross on St George's day, armistice day, when the Lionesses won the football etc etc, the union flag many times during the course of the year - most recently the commemoration of VJ day, armed forces flags on armed forces day and around armistice day, pride flags during pride, Ukrainian flags in evidence over the last few years.

The town have union flag, St George's cross and county flag on permanent display at the war memorial.

Listening to locals, you'd think the only flags ever flown locally are pride and Palestinian. I don't think I've ever seen a Palestinian flag flown off county hall. But some people never let the truth get in the way of a good whinge.

Oh and nativity plays abound. I attend quite a few every year through work - they're hilarious and touching in equal measure, and the donkeys are always the stars.

Same at my kid’s school. They celebrate Eid and other religious festivals - in a predominantly white, non-religious school (which is fine) but won’t allow a nativity. Songs are sung, but they are very much not religious at all.

But if people wanting to leave their country could apply via proper channels and access safe modes of transport, they wouldn't use the traffickers in the first place. They wouldn't have to work unpaid for months, often illegal, to repay the trafficking debt, and they wouldn't have to get rid of their documents and hide in dangerous places when travelling.

Give these people a better way of travellng, grant them asylum and the right to travel, and these gangs' entire business model falls apart.

Very hard to deal with the traffickers as it’s a global problem. You might ‘smash ‘ one gang but then other will appear.

Having the resources to hunt down these gangs from Africa or wherever they operate would take lots of money and manpower.

Alternatively a very tough government ( on immigration) like Poland and Hungary.

However , that’s unlikely to happen here in the UK with any mainstream party.

I think that is true of the Union Flag, (Union Jack at sea) as it would be apparent to other British ships, but not obvious to other nations.

The French flag would appear no different upside down or not, although possibly they were always distressed when approached by the British Navy in the 18th century?

I was under the impression that bar a few specific schemes, most asylum seekers have to be in the UK in order to claim asylum. And therein lies the challenge: they have to get here, by whatever means necessary, in order to claim. There are no safe routes either, and so we have, instead, a range of dangerous and life-threatening routes overseen by traffickers.

I dont know what the alternative is, but I believe that if the government set up an online portal of some kind and processed applications prior to arrival, and offered safe routes for those approved, the traffickers would (hopefully) be out of business because who wants to cram themselves into the fake bottom of a lorry for three days straight or trek bare foot across an icy cold mountain for a month, if they could take a flight or a bus somewhere safely instead?

But for that kind of system to work, you would have to have a strict deportation policy for anyone arriving as they do currently. That's the only way I can see it working, really. Otherwuse desperate peopld will keep using traffickers. But the traffickers are the real problem, imo, not those arriving here. Deal with the traffickers and I think the immigration issue will sort itself out.

Obviously, it’s ok to give consent for some flags and not to others.

That’s your schools choice.

My DC London have a nativity every year - your school has made a random choice, have you emailed about it and what was the response.

No, they used existing laws to remove unauthorised flags being erected on public furniture.

Anyone can put a flag up in their own property.

Who are my lot?

Do you ever just take a break? Switch off, put your feet up and have a nice cup of tea. Soothe your mind, reset. Then you can take a moment to appreciate that The world outside your net curtains is really not that bad , people are generally kind and nice and can't be divided into specific groups. No ones drawing up battle lines in reality, we're all trying to get by the best we can.

Oh ok thanks

Flying flags is not banned. Attaching them to your own property, or elsewhere with the permission of the property owner. It is not legal to attach items to council property without their consent.

The school my kids go to ( normal primary school) don’t have nativity’s, they have a non religious event over Xmas.

They no longer allow or call it a nativity play and haven’t done as long as I can remember.

Didn’t Birmingham city council ban union flags from being put up?

Many hauliers at the time were being fined huge sums of money if asylum seekers were found in or on their lorries. They were expected to check inside and outside, including the roof, even if they'd just stopped for a toilet break. It must have been a nightmare for them. My neighbour did haulage runs in Europe for many years but now just does the UK because of the hassle hauliers were facing with these stowaways.

😂😂😂😂😂

That should, of course, be “Union Flag or Union Jack? You can google it.

You are wrong. I refer you to “Union Foag or Union Jack?” from the flag institute. They concluded in their submission to parliament in 2013 that both names are equally valid wherever the flag is flown.

And, incidentally, that has been the case for at least 100 years.