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AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

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AliceMaforethought · 20/08/2025 18:13

Just read this awful story in the Guardian. Awful and makes me feel so angry and so unsafe as a half Black woman.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/20/family-in-fear-after-tommy-robinson-shares-video-of-black-man-with-white-granddaughters

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SleeplessInWherever · 21/08/2025 14:09

Wishing14 · 21/08/2025 13:52

Do you really all believe in this ‘us’ and ‘them’ narrative? I wish the world was as simple as it is in some people’s heads!! But the ironic thing is it’s the same posters who are constantly saying how thick and uneducated ‘they’ are ….

It’s fairly thick to question why a black man would be in a playground with his grandchildren.

It’s also fairly thick to then say “it wasn’t me!!” When really it’s just that it was your social media team, who you manage.

It’s thick to consider human beings illegal. It’s thick to assume men are crossing the ocean, because they want to bring crime to “our shores.” Seems a lot of effort, right?

It’s thick to have a preferred type of asylum seeker. It’s thick to not want people in disused hotels, but also not want them living next door.

I could continue 😂

LakieLady · 21/08/2025 14:08

dreamingbohemian · 21/08/2025 08:39

Can I ask those of you who remember the last time things were this bad, what do you think helped turn it around at a certain point? Not that racism disappeared, but when and why did things seem to improve compared to the 70s/80s?

Ive only been in the UK since 2005 so I'd be grateful to learn more.

Anti-discrimination legislation came into force in 1976 and was given teeth via the Commission for Racial Equality. There was a lot of activism. Groups like the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism organised events, marches etc.

And we had a whole generation reaching adulthood who'd been educated alongside children from minority groups, so didn't see them as "other" in the way that their parents' generation did.

What puzzles me is why that particular pendulum is swinging back so far in the opposite direction.

lkjhgfdsa · 21/08/2025 14:07

Livelovebehappy · 21/08/2025 13:28

I don't yhink that's doable. There are no spare houses, or very few. We only have to look at waiting lists for social housing to realise that's not going to work I'm afraid. If someone is allowed to leap frog over someone else who is on a ten year waiting list for a home, thats going to open a whole new can of worms...

People already believe that is happening.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 14:03

BuildingAshes · 21/08/2025 13:59

I'm not sure that's a very helpful stance. We have to assume that ALL the family is in peril unless we categorically can state otherwise. Don't give the reformers any more opportunity and start picking holes in the family reunification programme! We know enough that regimes won't just be threatening a single person, it will be all members of the family.

I disagree. Asylum seekers are often criticised for leaving their families to face unimaginable conditions after being abandoned.

BuildingAshes · 21/08/2025 13:59

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:30

People flee for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean the whole family are affected. A Syrian man may be fleeing execution for opposing the current government for example. That doesn't mean his whole family are in danger.

I'm not sure that's a very helpful stance. We have to assume that ALL the family is in peril unless we categorically can state otherwise. Don't give the reformers any more opportunity and start picking holes in the family reunification programme! We know enough that regimes won't just be threatening a single person, it will be all members of the family.

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 13:56

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:45

This. There is no "debate" to be had. I'm not about to understand racism. It's always dressed up in "we just have legitimate concerns" and "oh, so you don't care about women and children then?!" 🙄Biscuit

So say the nylon flag clad fools that have never lifted a hand to a woman or child.
I've related my experiences of contact with people involved in the extreme far right there's a lot of uniform fetishists,I've was shown photos from a Rock against communism festival from the late 80s grown men in brown shirt uniform and SS uniform and the odd Hitler.

The local NF organiser for our area was mid 40s and liked the company of teen skinheads.
He was later busted with child abuse imagery.. magazines iirc late 80s.

As the Specials sang on the record.Why.
With a Nazi salute and a steel cap boot.
You follow like sheep in a wolves clothes.

Wishing14 · 21/08/2025 13:52

Do you really all believe in this ‘us’ and ‘them’ narrative? I wish the world was as simple as it is in some people’s heads!! But the ironic thing is it’s the same posters who are constantly saying how thick and uneducated ‘they’ are ….

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:48

forgivingfiggy · 21/08/2025 13:41

I try to tell myself that there isn’t more racists, but that the racists feel more entitled to express their racism. Nevertheless it’s depressing.

Yes, definitely just more emboldened, I don't think there's necessarily more.Racist gobshites just sound louder as they've got social media to spout off on now and gather together and egg each other on. Plenty in RL just as disgusted as us but aren't as vocal about it.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:47

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:46

Apparently if you close them down, they automatically vote Reform. People keep threatening me with it for some reason, as though they weren't anyway...

Yep that's always a bit transparent!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:46

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:42

Also we - non-bigots - are supposed to empathise with them and understand their racism. That's changed. Nobody thought we should consider whether the NF had a point of view. Now anti-racism is cited as a reason why racists are emboldened!

Apparently if you close them down, they automatically vote Reform. People keep threatening me with it for some reason, as though they weren't anyway...

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:45

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:42

Also we - non-bigots - are supposed to empathise with them and understand their racism. That's changed. Nobody thought we should consider whether the NF had a point of view. Now anti-racism is cited as a reason why racists are emboldened!

This. There is no "debate" to be had. I'm not about to understand racism. It's always dressed up in "we just have legitimate concerns" and "oh, so you don't care about women and children then?!" 🙄Biscuit

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:43

pointythings · 21/08/2025 13:39

It's a crime called Being In A Park While Brown. It's how these people think. And they're right here on this thread. With their apologists.

🥲

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:42

forgivingfiggy · 21/08/2025 13:41

I try to tell myself that there isn’t more racists, but that the racists feel more entitled to express their racism. Nevertheless it’s depressing.

Also we - non-bigots - are supposed to empathise with them and understand their racism. That's changed. Nobody thought we should consider whether the NF had a point of view. Now anti-racism is cited as a reason why racists are emboldened!

forgivingfiggy · 21/08/2025 13:41

I try to tell myself that there isn’t more racists, but that the racists feel more entitled to express their racism. Nevertheless it’s depressing.

pointythings · 21/08/2025 13:39

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:28

Also disgusting as there's nothing wrong with people who aren't white "hanging around parks" (ie, just being at the park!) What are they basing their knowledge that they're "immigrants" on and must be up to no good? Their skin colour?! 🙄

It's a crime called Being In A Park While Brown. It's how these people think. And they're right here on this thread. With their apologists.

DeLaRuiz · 21/08/2025 13:38

Quite right to feel unsafe, OP. Half black women arent safe is the UK, surely your day to day life proves this.

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:38

Chickenbone123 · 21/08/2025 13:25

Well that’s good news. If they had the candidates I believe they would though. Or if it was all votes count not FPTP.

I also believe for the majority of the population migration would probably rank in top 3 voter issues.

I doubt that many people would be heavily concerned about immigration if (a) we hadn't spent the last two decades seeing our public services demolished and our wages stagnating and (b) we weren't told across mainstream and social media that immigrants are a terrible danger to our way of life. It's really easy to manipulate public opinion, we all know that.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 13:37

Chickenbone123 · 21/08/2025 13:22

How do you know what I think 😂 I haven’t given my personal view, more a collective view of what I am seeing.

You might think exactly the same as me, probably not but who knows.

Oh I think you demonstrated enough of your views for me to be very certain I don't agree with you.

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 21/08/2025 13:36

I have read that the world is becoming more right wing generally.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:34

Chickenbone123 · 21/08/2025 13:20

I don’t know all obviously. But I do believe I have a very representative distribution of contacts. I have never got an election prediction wrong.

If it was tomorrow reform would win. We should all be worried about that.

And yes they are talking about all that. That’s part of the issue (besides the cultural issues). We are in scarcity mindset.

No, Reform wouldn't definitely win. I don't understand why people keep repeating that and you live in an echo chamber where people apparently blame immigrants for everything wrong with the country.

I don't know anyone who mindlessly goes on about foreigners all the time, people I know tend to have a wide range of opinions.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 21/08/2025 13:34

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 21/08/2025 13:14

Just as well Scotland's part of the UK or the majority of us would have been jettisoned to some far flung corner of the Empire.🤣🤣

Bearing in mind that lovely distillery in Nepal, founded by former Scots regimental people, (a) a lot of you were and (b) exporting whisky making is clearly one of the greatest contributions one can make to civilisation.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 21/08/2025 13:30

Bushmillsbabe · 21/08/2025 13:15

But that could take a few years, and if the place that leaving is so terrible, the wife and child may not even survive this wait.

While both staying and the journey are both risky, staying is clearly the more risky of the 2 options, otherwise no one would leave, so why would any man chose the more risky option for his wife and child than himself. In many of the oppressed countries, women are at much higher risk, due to the inherent misogyny. If a women cannot leave the house or work, how can she support herself and her child whilst her husband is making the journey, applying for asylum, finding a job, applying for a visa...

And women and children do make the journey, I think someone above posted that 20,000 children arrived by boat, so it is possible for then to make the journey.

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People flee for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean the whole family are affected. A Syrian man may be fleeing execution for opposing the current government for example. That doesn't mean his whole family are in danger.

user2848502016 · 21/08/2025 13:28

I think you’re right- my friend is mixed race and her lovely mum was shouted at to “go home” a few months ago by some young lads.
This is a lady in her late 70s who’s been in the UK since the 60s and worked her whole career as an NHS nurse 🤬
Said she’s not had anything like that happen to her since the early 80s

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 21/08/2025 13:28

nomas · 21/08/2025 13:23

This is almost victim blaming and passing the blame on to immigrants, when the culprit (Stephen Yucky Lemon) is a white racist.

Also disgusting as there's nothing wrong with people who aren't white "hanging around parks" (ie, just being at the park!) What are they basing their knowledge that they're "immigrants" on and must be up to no good? Their skin colour?! 🙄

Livelovebehappy · 21/08/2025 13:28

ForWittyTealOP · 21/08/2025 13:20

I doubt the minority who are bothered about refugees being housed in hotels would be happy to see safe, legal routes opened up and refugees housed within local communities. Call me cynical but I'm not sure that's their burning desire.

I don't yhink that's doable. There are no spare houses, or very few. We only have to look at waiting lists for social housing to realise that's not going to work I'm afraid. If someone is allowed to leap frog over someone else who is on a ten year waiting list for a home, thats going to open a whole new can of worms...