AIBU to think that racism is getting a lot worse of late.

@MiloMinderbinder925 There will always be people who don't want foreigners in the country and who want Britain white.

I am old enough to recall Norman Tebbits "cricket test" of Britishness with the implication that anyone who supported any other team than England should be deported. I immediately started supporting the West Indies. Regrettably I am still stuck with British weather...

Do you have a source for this.

We're going around in circles because we fundamentally disagree about why people are talking about foreigners. Certain sections of society, backed up by right wing press are stirring up hate and division and scapegoating foreigners.

You're saying that that means I have my head in the sand and can't see the problem with foreigners. I'm saying you've got your head in the sand and can't see when you're being manipulated.

You think for example that the far right groups currently organising protests outside hotels and people draped in flags are just 'concerned citizens.' That the recent 'take Britain back' movement of tying flags to lampposts is 'pride in Britain' and Richard Tice is just passionate about his country.

Yes, absolutely. But you can't ignore that the guardian also writes continually about it either!

As I said before. Yes people obviously are talking about those things. You are right.

They are also talking about immigration.

I dont need to defence anything. I am telling you topics that people are talking about across all spectrum of our country and theres nothing to defend. It is what it is. You can stick your head in the sand all you like. It’s not going away. It’s progressively getting worse.

And you just dismissing what people are saying is not helpful. That was my initial point of posting. That if people can not have reasoned discussion then this will not be resolved.

The Guardian? The Telegraph might as well rename itself "Illegals!", The Daily Heil, The Express, The Sun, Farage, Jenrick, Badenoch, Robinson and social media, are constantly stirring this up.

And the daily heil .. leaving comments sections for contentious issues on race and immigration but closed to other important issues within the Uk

As it's continually pointed out on these threads, the media has a lot to answer for. You can't get away from it. How many days in a row can the guardian publish headline news on immigration? And then pages and pages of comments. It's depressing.

The £500k net cost to the taxpayer is an OBR figure for a low-skilled migrant living to 80 years old. £151k net cost when they reach state pension age. OBR assumes they earn half the average wage.

Average British-born worker is a £280k net contributor by retirement. So presumably also a net cost if living to 80 years old?

Who knows? Look it up. I was responding on where the £500k figure comes from because its quite regularly touted around

I think it's important to differentiate between those who dislike and are hostile to those already living in the UK (racism) vs those who are concerned about uncontrolled and excessive immigration which is currently impacting our infrastructure. Entirely different, yet people seem to be determined to lump both under the 'racist' label.

That's a shame because I believe what I wrote was very clear. You said that everyone you know and the majority of the population talk about nothing but immigration and blame everything wrong in the country on foreigners. I offered alternative explanations for some of the issues you raised and you're accusing me of 'bleating on about immigrants'.

This is the "I'm not you are" defence.

What about migrants who are not in the low skilled category?

As it's continually pointed out on these threads, the media has a lot to answer for. You can't get away from it. How many days in a row can the guardian publish headline news on immigration? And then pages and pages of comments. It's depressing.

The £500k net cost to the taxpayer is an OBR figure for a low-skilled migrant living to 80 years old. £151k net cost when they reach state pension age. OBR assumes they earn half the average wage.

Average British-born worker is a £280k net contributor by retirement. So presumably also a net cost if living to 80 years old?

I think it's important to differentiate between those who dislike and are hostile to those already living in the UK (racism) vs those who are concerned about uncontrolled and excessive immigration which is currently impacting our infrastructure. Entirely different, yet people seem to be determined to lump both under the 'racist' label.

The poster is saying that the majority of the population and everyone they know is talking about it. It's certainly been whipped up into a hot topic by some.

In the 1970s, 80s and 90s the racism was overt and a badge of honour for the people espousing those views. The BNP and Combat 18 prided themselves on being racists and neo-Nazis. There was no ambiguity or plausible denialism with 'There Ain't No Black in the Union Jack'.

Now, it's all covert, 'I'm not racist but ....', 'are you thinking what I'm thinking'.

I totally agree with you, people are less tolerant of anyone who is different from them. Its absolutely disgusting and frightens me. I've noticed a lot of talk/accusations online with zero evidence, must be the 'Trump' affect.

I'd like to know what magical sixth sense these people have that enables them ti know instinctively that someone with brown skin is here illegally.

A colleague of Afro-Caribbean heritage was told to "fuck off back to her own country" not long ago.

She's third generation British, and has never been south of the Med.

In fairness, we are all on here talking about it! I don't think anyone is talking about 'nothing else', we'd cease to function if that were the case, but it'd be daft to suggest it's not a hot topic 🤷

Then do it the legal way, like I did!

In the 1970s, 80s and 90s the racism was overt and a badge of honour for the people espousing those views. The BNP and Combat 18 prided themselves on being racists and neo-Nazis. There was no ambiguity or plausible denialism with 'There Ain't No Black in the Union Jack'.

Now, it's all covert, 'I'm not racist but ....', 'are you thinking what I'm thinking'.